A Discussion about Ace and Arophobia, Puritan Culture, and Allo Culture
trigger and content warning:
Acephobia, Arophobia, puritan culture, conservatism, hypersexuality, discussion of sex, discussion of romance, proshipping, long-ass post
A reminder that this is a discussion and should be kept civil. I will bring up a recent discussion I had online, but I will not talk about the person I had a discussion with, bring them down, or reveal them by name. Everyone in the notes, please do the same.
Me seeing a pattern due to that conversation doesn’t mean I am making a callout. I would like to thank that person, if they ever see this, for giving me something to think about more deeply.
I am on the asexual, and possibly aromantic, spectrum. I’m not ashamed of it. Despite that, I’m fairly sex-positive, love raunchy jokes, and have interacted with suggestive content.
During my time in a specific fandom, of which I will not name, I have noticed something. About shipping. There is a very popular ship that has attracted a large audience to a game that I once considered a more niche interest.
For the sake of clarity, we will call this ship BlueGold.
Despite the popularity of this ship, it is incredibly controversial. Many hate the ship. It has earned a few titles from this crowd, including:
proship
abusive relationship
toxic relationship
You might be thinking that these are harsh labels. And to an extent, I agree. I am a huge shipper of Bluegold. Though, I am not afraid to admit that it is certainly flawed and unhealthy. People have received death threats simply because they ship it.
I would like to note something about the ship. The ship is between two fictional characters that have never been portrayed using real people in official material. I am not huge on shipping, and I would like to say something about why I ship Bluegold in the first place.
FIREWORKS.
Bluegold may not be the healthiest relationship, but it is an interesting relationship. It has chemistry. So why are we afraid of pyrotechnics when we only want beakers that make blue foam and magic tricks?
Because of the shift right.
People believe that ships must be healthy. In real life, yeah, I agree. But we’ve already established that these characters don’t exist. We just moved out of an era where sex was seen as something that could be casual and consensual. Where people could do anything they wanted with their body, because it’s their body.
But now? People see sex as something dirty. They treat it as such. They treat it as something that should never be shared with the public. Something that shouldn’t be portrayed in media. And shipping has received the same treatment. It should not be portrayed unless it is clean. Unless it is pure.
And we shouldn’t ignore the other warning signs. People also tend to hate LGBTQ+ ships. Because of conservatism. The shift right. If they are not healthy and up to par with the standard, straight ships tend to get a pass while LGBTQ+ ships are fought over. Ships between immortal characters are often fought over because of a thousand year age-difference, even if the characters knew of each other’s existence when they were both adults.
But what about the latter? People who seem to embrace a ship because they like it? People who embrace sexual things, things that were once seen as taboo? Things that are not right, but left?
There’s a problem with them too. We aren’t done.
Hypersexuality. The word “puritan” is no longer justifiable. It is thrown around, used on anyone who ever discusses sex in a negative light, no matter the context. And VERY often used in fandom.
When people say that a character is hypersexual, and it doesn’t line up with the canon portrayal, they are seen as a puritan. That does not mean that they aren’t. It’s an issue that saying “hey why are treating this character like a sex demon in spaces that we shouldn’t and being completely serious about it” is treated like a bad thing.
This can be described as allonormativity. People who DO feel romantic and sexual attraction believe that it is wrong or weird to portray a character as possibly not liking, or even caring about those things. Not all characters will have sex discussed in the media they are in and sometimes it can be difficult to pinpoint whether or not they have a certain opinion on it.
To say that we should respect people who portray a character as liking sex and romance, loving sex or romance, or being hypersexual or hyperromantic, then turn around and decide that anyone who does not portray a character like that is a puritan, is an issue.
It is ace and arophobic.
Aroace people are often targets for this behavior. They portray a character as being aroace, and they’re the bad guy. Because it is so normalized in our society to like sex and have sexual feelings, we forget that not everyone does, and lash out at them. We fight so hard for people to be able to portray sex and romance, that we forget that people who don’t want to see it are also valid in that belief. There is a difference between “I do not want to see sex” and “I do not want to see sex in media.”
Some people just don’t feel those feelings. They can’t help it. Just like how you can’t help that you can.
I would like to reveal what I was talking about at the beginning of this post. The fandom and ship that sparked this idea in my head.
The Cookie Run Kingdom fandom. Shadownilla.
I have recently been accused of being a puritan in a discussion I had recently. That I came off as “weird” because I pointed out that people tend to portray Pure Vanilla Cookie as either a child or a sex demon. (Give it up for woobification!)
When I said that, I did not mean that he could never be portrayed as some guy who likes sex. I meant that people do not know where to set the line. He is an adult with adult feelings. He has been around for, likely, a few millennia, and refers to himself as old. I meant that people hypersexualize him. They take these kinds of portrayals and bring them into spaces that they shouldn’t, such as spaces with minors, spaces that don’t allow NSFW, and serious discussions.
And when someone points it out, they are seen as the bad guy. Even though that person could be sex-positive. Even when that person is a leftist. When that person does not agree with the idea that sex should never be portrayed.
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Aro/ace alex marquez you're so real for that..... No man who is This famous and presents himself as This desperate would be single if he didn't want to be
First of all hi anon 👋👋👋.
Secondly, I said Aro not Aroace and definetly not Ace. Contrary to popular believe the Aromantic and Asexual spectrum are two complet separate spectrums. One refers to the romantic and the other one to the sexual side (there are more the platonic, aesthetic, sensual and so on). You can feel romantic attraction and don't want a sexual relationship or just under certain situations. And you can definetly can feel sexual desire and want sexual relationship but not want to be in a romantic relationship or be in one under certain situations. You might also want to be in a QPR too and it's totally fine.
What I mean to say is I said Aromantic, not asexual and those two terms can't be used as interchangeable. You can be both but never assume someone is Aro and Ace because I'm aro but not ace and there are many aces that are not aro.
Being Aro is never a choice, it's like celibacy and asexuality. And you can feel proud to be alone because you feel that you are not loosing anything. Jorge Lorenzo himself is proud to be single and as he described it, 'when in a relationship it was like not being free and I'm at a point in my career where I'm not ready for that' (which by the way is the MOST aro thing I ever heard). And if you think that Álex is being desperate by reminding everyone he is single, maybe you are a bit aro-phobe. We are constantly reminded and ask about or romantic relationships, so being reminded that not having one is a choice or an option is actually refreshing. Especially in the paddock where the media is so damn focused on family goals apart form the track ones.
And to end this, there are several reason apart from being aro that can make him not want a relationship, such just timing or him being very focused on their partner and being impossible for him to commit while he is still in MotoGP.
Edit: h can also be afraid of commitment and hence why he doesn't want anything stable or long term.
hey, I'm sorr y to bother you with it it's just you've alwyas been really helpful but if this si something you'd rather not discuss it's ok, but please tell me if i'm wrong to say i'm aroace? i'm also nonbinary but i keep seeing people talking about how the concept of being aro and/or ace at all is wrong somehwo and that aroace people ar ejust straight people an d it's making me dissociate real bad. thank you s o much for always being supportive.
oh my god you are definitely not straight. when will people get it through their heads that aroaces are not Straight !!!! if you aren’t attracted to anyone, then HELL YEAH you are aroace AS FUCK.
god, I’m kinda really mad rn!! fuck whoever is saying that shit, you’re valid in your identity and you’re sure as hell not straight at ALL!! (idek if it’s possible at all for nb to be Straight!! which is another tangent to go off on, another time tho)
straight is like, what is seen as normal!! and my guy, from someone who is pretty close to being aroace themself, aroaces are definitely not seen as normal by the general population!!
I rant more under the cut hjhj here we go pal
if we were oh so “normal”, then people wouldn’t be saying shit to us like !! :
you just haven’t met the right person
I guess it takes the right person to fix it
oh I used to be like that
you’re just a late bloomer
you’re too young to know
it’s just a phase
IM!! YES other people in the LGBT community face some of those statements as well for their identity, but at least they get!! a goddamned letter in the acronym!!
it’s common knowledge that bi people are gatekeeped by a lot of gay people if they’re in a het relationship, but !! they still get a letter, they don’t have to fight for that shit!! the a don’t stand for ally according to your average LGBT, but as soon as it stands for aroace then UM ACTUALLY IT SUDDENLY NOW STANDS FOR ALLY!!!
other LGBT people get a place to feel safe!! a community!! aroace people get pushed out of the community, the place that’s supposed to be safe for us, we get told we’re straight, that we aren’t oppressed because we can’t get kicked out for being aroace, that it’s a weird combination of ableism and racism or misogyny, that aroacephobia isn’t even!! a goddamned thing!!!
when my guy, it is!! these people, who are so desperate to keep us aroaces out of the place that’s supposed to be safe for non-straight people, are perpetuating the very thing they say doesn’t exist!!
don’t even get me started on corrective therapy and the shit people pull to try and “fix” aroaces. that shit is traumatizing af. they wouldn’t say the corrective therapy gay and trans people doesn’t count as oppression, so why are they claiming aroaces aren’t oppressed at all either!!
god!! if you need some more grounding, I’m here for you fam ;P
garnet is not ruby and sapphire garnet is not gay squared garnet is not in love garnet is love garnet is a closed relationship garnet is in a relationship with herself garnet is garnet, and she is aroace goodnight
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master oogwei was too busy tryina find inner peace to invest in a relationship and after he came out of that cave, he was so at peace that he felt no need to be in any kind of relationship
master chifou found romance disgusting and instead invested his time in mastering kung fu
tai lung was always training and never wanted to be in a relationship because it would distract him from his goals
mantis doesn’t have the patience for a relationship
everyone hated monkey before master oogwei defeated him so he kinda got used to it and never developed romantic feelings for anyone
viper gets crushes sometimes but feels no need to invest in a relationship
crane tried to force himself into relationships but that only made him really uncomfortable so he finally broke up for good and began to accept himself
tigress was always busy training hard to become the dragon warrior, and she always told herself she’d find another tiger to settle down with, but once she found it that she wasn’t the dragon warrior, she figured out that she actually didn’t want to be in a relationship
li shan (poe’s duck dad) was always oblivious to anyone flirting with him, and he values his restaurant more than anything (except poe)
poe was usually working with his dad at the restaurant and rarely left the plae, plus he values food more than romance