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also if Mabel can be viscerally hated for being 12 years old and a bit selfish and Rose for being incredibly flawed but trying to better herself. yeah I do think it’s a problem that people vehemently hate women over very minuscule reasons. 😭 like you see the problem that ppl still hate women no matter how small the reason right 😭

Jolyne Cujoh is quite a fascinating case when it comes to misogyny in action media, you know? Because they won't admit they hate women, they just don't care about women and will invent reasons for each case post hoc. And this is pretty easy to do, since most of the female characters they end up interacting with are written by more of these dudes. But Jolyne is just devoid of the usual targets, she's a boilerplate determined badass shounen protag who's a woman, and crucially her background sidesteps the whole... paradox of presentation. The action girl tends to go one of two ways, you can be a femme fatale who can do it Just As Well As The Boys, which men hate, or you can be a little masc, which men hate even more. But the characters in Stone Ocean don't need to sacrifice or enshrine their femininity in order to be the Cool Guy, because in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure the cool guy has been wearing lipstick and dressing for a gay bar for like a decade by the time the main character was a girl. The way they present is neither conspicuous to normative gender roles or to the paradigm of their media, so that fails to become a target. Stone Ocean kind of falls to the wayside in discussion because nobody can explain why they don't quite resonate with it as much, even though they all fuckin' know.

@spirogyras

I get in theory why people complain about het ships or whatever, I get wanting to watch queer media I really do, but I guess where y’all lose me is like. I saw some asshole on a post about Sinners complaining it was “hetslop”—this person was specifically doing so while also claiming Remmick was a queer character and thus they were justified in caring more about him than the Black protagonists. which is a whole other disgusting can of worms that has been well addressed by others at this point. but even in the absence of that part of the argument, like, no, i actually don’t think that a hunger for queer stories is an especially good excuse to deride and dismiss a piece of landmark Black filmmaking, especially as a non-Black person. I have a post that’s been going around encouraging folks to engage with more Native stories and characters, and I had someone come onto that post saying in the tags that they’d need these stories to be queer in order to care. and I just think that, you know, sucks! like obviously as a queer Native I also want to see more of those stories too. but idk how else to put it other than to say that Black people and people of color shouldn’t have to be like you in order for you to care about our narratives and experiences. and I think some of y’all are using this disdain for heterosexuality as a cover for your unexamined racial biases. it’s not okay to be racist to people just because those people happen to be straight, and you continue to be white before you are queer.

on an even more basic level than that, also, I simply just think some of y’all NEED to learn how to interact with media and storytelling without ships and fandom in mind. like if not being able to write fic about two men kissing is genuinely going to be a dealbreaker for you I think that’s actually something you need to work on within yourself because at that point I think you’re no longer really interacting with art and themes and narrative so much as just kind of playing with toys. which is, like, fine I guess. have fun. but it wouldn’t kill you to disengage from that from time to time. especially if would allow you to actually appreciate rich and deeply moving cultural stories from communities of color that you desperately need to learn how to see as human

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