would like to know your thoughts and analysis about how tobirama sees madara please
So happy you ask this (warning, this is going to be a long one)
Tobirama is afraid of Madara, and fear is the worst kind of emotion for a rationalist like this one.
Let's get into the Tobirama flavoured fucked up vision, shall we?
Fear makes one act irrational, it makes someone act on instincts and subconscious habits rather than thought on conscious decisions. People, like Tobirama, who are control freaks and logic driven, will associate dislike with what they are afraid of (we all kinda do, but it's exacerbated in their case).
Tobirama’s fear of Madara feeds his hate for him, which is not stemming from anything grounded in facts or logic, so it's like a snake biting its tail and his hatred feeds itself.
But, you might ask, why would Tobirama be afraid of Madara in the first place? We have clear proof of the fact he sees him as a threat when he comes back as an Edo Tensei carcass in the fourth war, he immediately reacts strongly when he hears the mere mention of his name and rushes to get out, not paying enough attention to notice important details that he should have noticed if he was level headed (it's almost a phobia, at this point, Tobirama is Madaraphobic)
But for the reasons, well, we do have the simple fact that it's rather easy to imagine that Madara was fiercely protective of Izuna, and Tobirama was the one to land the lethal blow, so there is a warranted fear there.
Yet I think it goes back further in time. I think that it probably came from a general anxiety Tobirama developed because of his close level with Hashirama, the fact that neither seemed stronger than the other. After loosing two siblings and having only one left, it's probably stressful to know the last brother you have fights, with only very slim chances of victory that are as likely as him losing, with a foe that has clearly abandoned whatever kinship he might have developed during the little time he spent with him while your brother still clings on this doomed friendship.
That and the fact that Madara’s usual strategies seem to strongly rely on intimidation. Madara has created an image of himself for the rest of the world so strong everyone rushes to ally at the mere mention of his name, even though there is no proof it's him (that's crazy, I don’t think you realise).
Tobirama doesn't know Madara, and he chose to never even try to understand him, only seeing him through this fabricated image Madara has crafted himself, probably only to help his clan. He chooses to turn a blind eye to who he is, to his apparent grief and the relationship he has with Hashirama, to Tobirama, Madara is unstable, unpredictable, dangerous and cannot be trusted.
He needs to be eliminated.
So when they are in the Village, he speaks ill of him, he does what he can to exclude him, and that to the point that it has become a regular argument subject with Hashirama (there is nothing explicit, but it’s Hashirama who bring Tobirama up when Madara decides to leave the Village, and when he learns the Uchiha clan has been slaughtered, he berates Tobirama for not including the Uchiha, as if it was not the first time they had this argument). When Madara leaves, he probably encouraged if not pressed Hashirama to finally kill him, leading him to the final act he will regret for the rest of his life. When Madara is dead, he doesn’t even let him rest, he studies his corpse, desecrate his legacy and dissecting his eyes for science, but also a way to explain his irrational fear and distrust towards Madara, and now also the rest of the Uchiha, although to a lesser extent.
The curse of hatred is bullshit. He really just noticed that the Uchiha had more chakra concentration in their eyes and that it was connected to their heightened emotions, and he drew the conclusion that Uchiha will get more powerful because of their hate (it doesn't make any fucking sense, Madara was powerful even when his primary goal was to protect Izuna)
He has only one test subject he used to conclude that (which is very unscientific, I would know) and it's a very powerful nin who happened to dislike him because he killed his brother (I don't think Madara even hated Tobirama. He tried to ignore him the best he could and only showed true hostility after their death. His care and love for Hashirama was greater than any hate he might have had towards Tobirama).
All of that to say, Madara is just an anomaly to Tobirama, and it confuses and scares him, which feeds into an irrational hatred he refuses to face because of how he doesn’t want to recognise his judgment lacks logic.
He clearly ignores his own biases and prejudices, he lies to himself and explains it as normal distrust. It is not, and it goes against how Madara described how peace should work for it to last more that a few generations without internal bloodshed.
Madara, as a child, has everything Tobirama's idea of peace lacks, which is emotinal intelligence and the understanding of the other side (he looses that with Izuna’s death and his spiralling madness).
Tobirama, by his lack of care or understanding of how emotions exist whether or not he likes it or not, even in himself, is unable to understand someone as emotionally complex and intense as Uchiha Madara, and therefore, it makes him hate him.
For a less canon idea, I do also have the headcanon that Tobirama’s fear might originate from Madara’s chakra. It's linked to fireproof Madara hc, which I interpret as him having a very strong fire nature, so much so it's dense and overwhelming, and Tobirama would hate it as a keen sensor.
To have this overwhelming fear from a purely instinctive bodily reaction must be incredibly frustrating, and it's something I like to add when I write Tobirama’s view of Madara along with everything else I just explained.
It's also a neat way to explain how Tobirama and Hashirama use their chakra to intimidate, I think Tobirama had the idea from the inherent intense nature of Madara’s chakra.
Because this is what he does, he fears, he hates, and he obsesses.
At least, that's my understanding of his character (there are more nuances when we look outside the way he views Madara, but I was asked one thing, and this post is already long enough, lol)
(I want to add somthing I wrote in bullet point about Tobirama's views:
- As a child, he speaks of adults as “stupid” and sees peace as a transaction, a logical thing grounded in regulation and written agreement.
- He doesn’t take into account people’s feelings, probably a huge perpetuator of the “shinobi don’t feel” mentality, he even chastises Itama for speaking of anger towards the opposite side because of loss, claiming it to be pointless and something that would only end up killing him.
- We can conclude from this that he didn’t bear much if any grudge towards the other clans, but only saw them as pawn in a huge game of go
- That’s why Madara is terrifying to him, he is unpredictable and overly emotional. It’s fine that Hashirama is because Tobirama considers himself to be the dam that keeps him together (which isn’t wrong nor right)
I feel his idea of how peace should be, since it's clearly conflicting with Madara's, is also important to take into account when we talk about how he views Madara.)