shut the FUCK UP about stark he is DEAD

a collection of comic panels in which tony is punched

black panther/t’challa: science is failing us and you’re concerned with writing your own ending. that is as unacceptable as your precious little 13%. science fails. you have failed. you don’t get to kill yourself to escape finding a solution.

i ended up doing a read more link because this got longer than i expected. i would also like to apologize to you, anon, for the huge delay in answering this ask

tl;dr: stan lee certainly did a lot of incredible things, but we do have to acknowledge that he was a human. not to say that all humans make awful, awful mistakes, but that one should always be hesitant to put a human on a pedestal. attacking people for pointing out his wrongs and misdoings doesn't change the fact that he had committed wrongs and misdoings

a. Mandatory Spider-Man Character Traits. Spider-Man (whether Peter Parker or an alternative Spider-Man character) must always strictly conform to the following "Mandatory Character Traits":

Male

Does not torture*

Does not kill unless in defense of self or others*

Does not use foul language beyond PG-13

Does not smoke tobacco*

Does not sell/distribute illegal drugs*

Does not abuse alcohol*

Does not have sex before the age of 16, does not have sex with anyone below the age of 16

Not a homosexual (unless Marvel has portrayed that alter ego as a homosexual) image id continued after cut (it got long)

I'd like to point out that Stark's Industry began with Howard in WWII. Shit happened, the war was finished yada yada yada. Then, Tony is born. Throughout the movies, we see that Howards was an asshole. Sure, he left clues and had a plan for Tony in the future, but that does not account for the trauma he gave Tony. Howard had Tony in the spotlight since he was a toddler and forced him to graduate high school and enter MIT by the time he was 15. Tony never had a normal childhood and I am sure Howard couldn't have cared less.

Anyways, the stress of being good enough for his father caught up to him and he began drinking. He began having one night stands yada yada yada. I think we all know what Tony did in his early 20's up to his late 30's.

I don't particularly fault him for not knowing what exactly happens with his weapons. Tony NEVER should have been CEO. Not because he's incapable of –he's got the smarts to do so– but because he was never into that world. It was thrown at him. His father threw that at him.

In Iron Man, Tony was a complete mess. I will say that. But, Obadiah did not help the case. The older man would manipulate him. He'd do the same Howard did. Make Tony do shit for the public but keep him in the blanc on what was happening.

I am sure Tony did not know for what exactly they were being used. He knew they were weapons, he knew they caused harm, but Obadiah and his father created an image in his mind that the weapons were used for peace. Obviously it's stupid, I won't fight you and tell you that poor Tony he did not realize :c. No. He is an idiot for not realizing. But I do think the alcohol he drank to drown out everything had something to do with that.

Anyways, it was while being kidnapped that he saw the truth about his weapons. On one point, he was right in the middle of a terrorist base. The other point is that he was sober. Without those shits in his mind and being in the other side of everything, he realized what was really happening.

The moment he realized this, he stopped everything. He stayed in touch with news of what had been happening on Afghanistan. He built the Iron Man suit and went there to release the people there.

Then the rest of the movie.

I will not say that Tony is not at fault. I will not say that he is free from everything that went down. But I will say that he is not completely the only one at fault for his weapons.

Another point I wanted to add since I was scrolling through your blog:

I agree with you that it is completely wrong and stupid to say that Tony was being used for his money. He was not. As you said, it is mentioned in TFATWS that they weren't getting payed. Thing is. While he did not pay them, they were not completely on the ruins.

Tony built the Avenger's compound, gave them somewhere to live and provided them with basic human needs. He might have not payed them, but he did care for them to do that for them.

Still, that does not mean that the others used him for money. I honestly hate when ppl say that.

You inspired me to come back to this and I'm screaming. It's basically "but he hwas twama 👉👈"

start at 0:38

and it's like,, yeah, he definitely could've been nicer. then again, he's in the middle of filming a promotion for stark expo. he's working

unless i'm forgetting something (completely possible), this is the only time we see howard being dismissive to/of stark

forced him to graduate high school and enter MIT by the time he was 15

there's no evidence that howard forced him into graduating early. he was definitely helped, but i wouldn't say he was forced. and given that stark attended a guest lecture at mit and made all the students equal recipients of a grant that gave them funding for their projects [x], i wouldn't say he was forced to go to mit

[Obadiah] would manipulate him. He'd do the same Howard did. Make Tony do shit for the public but keep him in the blanc [sic] on what was happening

again, when did howard manipulate stark? also, you can't blame this solely on obadiah. stark was the ceo, not obadiah. if you're the ceo of a major company that makes weapons, you need to know what's going on

The moment he realized this, he stopped [the weapons manufacturing division]

technically he did not. he shut down the weapons manufacturing division "until [he would be able to] decide what the future of the company will be." [x] he continued creating weapons, both for shield, himself, and for a fifteen year old boy

Tony built the Avenger's compound, gave them somewhere to live and provided them with basic human needs

i think a lot of tony stans seem to confuse fanon with canon here. the avengers compound was never meant to be a home/some place to live until after civil war. it was made to be the primary base of operations, a training facility, and a research center [x] and after the dissolution of the avengers, stark had it remodeled so he could live there