Things that reduce abortion:
Livable wages
Affordable/free healthcare
Affordable housing
Affordable education
Sex education
Access to contraception
Things that do not reduce abortions:
• Criminalizing abortion • Abstinence-only education
How bout adding ‘Abstinence’ or ‘Common Sense’ to things that reduce abortions. -.-
Abstinence has a failure rate. It’s unrealistic to expect people to wait to have sex until they want to (or are able to) have kids, especially because some people never will reach that point. Even after they get married. Also, rape can still occur. Abstinence can be covered in sex ed courses, but it should not be pushed as the “best option,” because it is not that for everyone.
Implying post-abortive people lacked “common sense” doesn’t do any good, and it does nothing to reduce abortion.
Sex and abortion should not be stigmatized.
I’m very tired of this ‘well you should wait till you’re married!’ or ‘you were careless to end up needing an abortion’ bullshit.
I’m married. I don’t want kids. I was using contraception when it failed and I had to get my second abortion. (The first one was 20 years earlier under different circumstances)
This notion of ‘no sex before marriage ’ is very closely linked to the ‘all married people want children!’ idea that is the reason I can’t get sterilised.
No sex before marriage also completely disregards anyone who is not heterosexual. Or indeed ‘outside the norm’ as many places won’t even allow marriage between people who are not straight or not cis.
Abortions will always be needed until such a day as there is no violence, coercion, force, guilt or shame levelled against anyone with a uterus…and that there is a 100% safe effective contraceptive with no side effects available freely to all….and that society helps those less fortunate instead of shaming them…and that no pregnancy ever goes wrong, and that ectopic pregnancies never happen….
It’s a bloody long list and that isn’t all of it. It cannot be simplified down to ‘abstaining’.
Also, abstinence based sex education do not provide accurate information about anything.
When you teach abstinence, you’re not teaching about different birth control methods which as @thecrazygeek-rant pointed out even married couples use contraceptives cause not all married couples want children right away or at all.
Additionally, for teenagers and young adults who don’t wait (cause a lot of them don’t), they are going into sex with incomplete or inaccurate information. My sex Ed class taught us that condoms have a high failure rate and don’t stop AIDS or STDs, so not a lot of people at my high school used condoms.
Common sense doesn’t really exist when you refuse to teach it.
Look, Im a firm believer of “If you cant afford a kid, you cant afford to fuck.” And I can understand that rape happens, and that is when a abortion is acceptable. But today, the media and feminist make it seem like abortion is great and anyone should get one. You are ending a life. Like for the love of god have some self control once in a while
Sex is not only a means of procreation though, it is an enjoyable and intimate act too. There are several species of wild mammal that engage in sex purely for pleasure too, there are also several species which use sex as a bargaining tool or display of social status. So saying that you shouldn’t have sex if you don’t want/can’t afford the ridiculous amount of money required to raise a child, is absolute bullshit. You’re free to live by it if you want, but it has absolutely no value as an argument against sex or abortion.
Now as for “you’re ending a life” the same can be said for taking antibiotics, male ejaculation, eating literally any food it all comes from some form of life. Even if you didn’t end many varieties of life daily, abortion would still not be ending a life.
In countries where abortion is legal, the point at which life begins has been scientifically tested and agreed to be when there is brain function. Until that point, what you have is not a baby but a parasite incapable of survival independent of the host body. 20 to 35 percent of babies born at 23 weeks of gestation survive, while 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 24 weeks survive.
There for even at the point where a life can be scientifically said to exist, the chances of survival outside the host body are slim but improve rapidly as the now baby’s brain takes control of It’s bodies functions.
Next let’s address your seeming belief that rape is the only way to experience an unwanted pregnancy, which is just asinine. Contraceptives are not 100 percent effective and can fail, lack of sexual education can lead young people to be totally ignorant of the potential consequences of sex and yes rape happens too. There are many ways to gain an unwanted pregnancy, not just rape.
Now your assertion that only unwanted pregnancies as a result of rape should be eligible for abortion, this might just be the easiest part to refute. All women should have the right to bodily automomy, it is for each individual woman to decide for herself whether or not to abort unwanted pregnancies. No uterus, no say. As a man I could schedule myself for a vasectomy any time I want, but women are literally turned away and denied procedures that would make pregnancy impossible because they hypothetically might marry a man who wants to have kids. That is not right, that is why feminists like myself fight for total bodily autonomy for all women.
Lastly and most foolishly you say that “feminists make abortion seem great and everyone should get one” and you’re hilariously almost right. Abortion is fantastic, it’s a harm free, scientifically backed medical procedure which allows women to avoid unwanted pregnancy and all the life changing, body altering effects of it. Every woman who wants an abortion should get one, from the woman who was beaten and raped, to the teen who had a condom break and even the partier who got drunk and made a bad decision.
EVERYONE👏WHO👏WANTS👏AN👏ABORTION👏SHOULD👏GET👏ONE👏
That it, end of discussion.
Nah nigga not end of discussion. And you cannot equate jacking off to a abortion. Also, I never said that people dont have sex for pleasure, but I am saying that it carries the risk for causing a pregnancy. I support abortion, but it should be a last resort. There is always a option to put your kid up for adoption, And for the whole “Denied procedures”, they are discouraged to not get them because of the health risk, not denied. It is easier for a dude to get a vasectomy tho. Rape victims I can 100% understand if they abort it, but a teen knocking up a chick? Put the baby up for adoption.
Also, what other ways are there to have a “Unwanted pregnancy” besides rape and accidentally knocking a bitch up??
No. People are quite literally denied tubal ligations (which still have a failure rate) all the time. Not discouraged, but denied. Doctors will refuse to do them if you don’t meet certain requirements (age and number of kids being the main ones).
One of my best friends, despite having a medical condition that makes pregnancy dangerous for her, has been repeatedly denied a tubal ligation by both doctors and her insurance because she is ‘too young’ and doesn’t have children.
You have no clue what you’re talking about.
Again, just dont have fucking sex? How hard is that?
Why should I not have sex? I see no reason I should give up sex for the next 20 or so years. It’s fun. It feels good. It has health benefits.
Mind your own business? How hard is that?
Apparently it’s really, really hard for them.
Ok but this is seriously ridiculous. Like you are asking people to go years and even decades and not have sex regardless of their relationship status or if they enjoy it or not.
Hardly anyone is going to do that. You can’t even get people to wait for marriage to have sex much less never have sex when they are fertile.
It’s so much more practical to have comprehensive sex Ed and affordable and accessible contraceptives. Those are both proven to lower the unplanned pregnancy rate. Not expecting people to be celibate forever.
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I think we’re past the point of expecting anti-choicers to be practical.
If they truly cared about reducing the rate of abortions, they wouldn’t continue to advocate against things that accomplish this.
Anti-choicers say never abortion except in the case of rape? So they consider abortion is murder ? But they think murder is ok if the woman is innocent? Then they must admit they do not care about the fetus, they want to punish the woman for having sex.
Someone just hit the nail on the head.




















