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how are we meant to believe that Crowley and Aziraphale would sacrifice each other and the known universe when Aziraphale was ready to merc a child on the tarmac in Tadfield so he and his husband could keep enjoying books and wine

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Just saw this snippet of a Terry Pratchett interview about the reversal of the deaths in Good Omens and it floored me.
This convinces me more than anything that the ending we got is not what he would have wanted.
This quote led me to a chunk of the larger piece (I'm sure I have the whole thing in one of my books of Pterry's writing but I can't find any of said books right now) and a couple of other things stand out to me.
First, we have confirmation that Pratchett was the one who actually put Good Omens together in its final form: "One person has to be overall editor, and do all the stitching and filling and slicing and, as I've said before, it was me by agreement" which honestly explains A Lot about the differences between the book and S1 of the show. I think it could be argued that the book was Good Omens put together by Pratchett and the show was Good Omens put together by Gaiman, which would explain the vast differences in vibes even if the main story is functionally the same.
Secondly, "Neil's had a major influence on the opening scenes, me on the ending" to me neatly explains why the ending of the book was so bravely, unabashedly, unrealistically happy and hopeful, and why the TV finale was... not. Even in the work of him that I've enjoyed (which is quite a lot, even if it is now soured by Events) Gaiman doesn't do fully happy endings, and they always end up bittersweet at best, and i don't think even in a best case scenario that was what a continuation of Good Omens needed, but it's what Gaiman gave it regardless.
It seems that some people don't seem to understand what's so upsetting about all of this so let me help you out: Aziraphale and Crowley are DEAD.
They died, along with their entire universe and everything they ever fought for. They never got to properly talk through their creation long existence together of an undefined relationship, they never got to talk out their grievances, or religious guilt, and they never got to directly choose each other over anything else.
They never got to be an 'Us.' they never got to experience that raw unfiltered, unafraid of the consequences love we've been teased with because they were too focused on trying to hold the world together and God appearing and just fucking shit up.
This isn't just about a kiss, this is about them not getting to communicate after establishing in the other seasons that they need to be more direct with each other. This is about how after 6,000 years and before the creation of time they have been drawn towards each other and will never get to truly settle down.
This whole alternate reincarnation thing is bullshit. That's not them. They are lookalikes who have lived an entirely different history from inception. No ethical struggles, no fall, no falling in love with humanity, no existential crisis, they will have a mother and a father, possibly even siblings, they presumably have a sex and gender now that's not the same as a non human entity- fundamentally they are different beings raised as different people.
THEN you factor in the fact that their love that transcends time, their long history of trust and learning to choose to protect each other in the face of powers greater than their own, a love that is unfathomable in depth, is just FORGOTTEN.
No Bastille, no War Raid, no Flood, no wall of Eden, no Shakespeare, no Knights, no Bildad the Shoeite and Aziraphale becoming a hedonist, no powering beyond their circumstances- None of what we knew about them is at play. None of what we've grown to love about them is relevant to characters from a DIFFERENT UNIVERSE.
And that's the thing, it's a different universe. They fucking gave up and let the Earth they fought so hard for just be erased. Just like that? That's insanely out of character. What about all the poor mortals doomed to fail that Crowley sympathizes so much with? What about the history and culture written down in Aziraphale's books that they've seen built over the centuries? That's their world. Y'know: "To the world."
How could they be okay with their world, and each other dying, for the sake of people that didn't exist yet? You had the book in your hands, you could've written anything!!!
There were plenty of things they could have asked to be written differently. There were plenty of ways this story could have not put them on that situation to begin with. Sorry not sorry, but I'm not just taking handouts and saying 'yes thank you' just because they gave me content. Call me ungrateful, but I expected the narrative to at least give a singular fuck about the story and characters thus far and give us a decent execution.
I don't believe that just because something is officially released that it has to have merit, because it's still a piece of fiction written by flawed people with their own opinions and constraints on giving a shit. This was a cop out- it was a way to take the story as they were struggling to resolve, and throw it in the trash in front of its fan base for having the audacity to ask they don't leave us on a massive angry kiss cliff hanger.
Also, reading comprehension and analysis isn't just taking the slop that's force fed to you- (like wow, no shit they put some set up for the agenda they're pushing in there, congrats picking up on the obvious---) It's being able to critically think about what's happening, how it fits, whether you like it, the execution, and allowing yourself to question the author and their agenda. Writers, especially teams of writers, do stupid shit all the time
So no, I don't consider this canon; I consider it a slap in the face to the world and character dynamics we fell in love with. I see it as an insult to think I should be complacent with this half assed AU substitute billions of years after the characters I actually grew to love fucking OBLITERATED themselves when all I've been wanting since the start of the series was for them to find a resolution to their challenges- not roll over and decide 'fuck it, just start from scratch.' Canon is a suggestion, and one that I'm stepping on and ignoring fully because it contradicts the core of what's appealing about a series I started for demon/angel shenanigans. I didn't come for a wattpad fic.
Screw Jesus, who knows why he was there. Fuck Mrs.Sandwhich, best of luck in the next life. Sorry for the existential crisis' Crowley and Aziraphale, turns out you're just God's soap opera and she's decided she's bored all of a sudden because Michael threw a hissy fit from being underappreciated.
Sorry I wanted a resolution to the ride or die couple we've been following, and I was hoping they wouldn't pick DIE. Sorry that a five minute meet cute with them sporting the world's worst haircuts isn't doing it for me, especially when they don't remember shit and will only get to be together for maybe 20-30 years before dying with the presumably confirmed absence of an afterlife after watching their angel and demon selves struggle for over SIX THOUSAND YEARS!!!!
I wanted a resolution to the ineffable husbands, not some doppelganger fuckery. Sue me. This ending sucked because it resolved nothing, it accomplished nothing, and it shut down everything PAINFULLY because they are effectively dead, and all the accompanied interesting world building with them. Just switched the whole ass genre on us. You thought this was a Star crossed religious fantasy romance? PSYCH, now it’s a dime store novel. Yeah, that’s what I signed up for. Not.
Well put
"it would not be the same" oh crowley 😭
The thing for me is that I LOVE non-human love stories. There is something so wonderful, and beautifully awkward about immortal, non-human characters having very human feelings. Them getting to have their romance but only as humans is just very dull and disappointing to me.

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I suppose it must be very difficult to write about a healthy, caring, respectful relationship with good communication, when you've never participated in such a thing yourself. (Not that that's any excuse; aren't fantasy writers supposed to be good at imagining things?)
Ineffable cyanotype 😈😇
The real one to blame for Good Omens Finale.
from Thief of Time:
"It was a work of art, the sword. It had imaginary velocity, negative energy, and positive cold, cold so cold that it met heat coming the other way and took on something of its nature. Burning cold. There has never been anything as cold as this since before the universe began."
"It glinted and, like the glass clock, looked like the intrusion into the world of something a great deal more complex."
Okay, it's an official pattern now.
This is an advanced-level (or maybe adventurous intermediate) cable motif 52 rows high, that starts and ends with 19 stitches. It assumes k

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Screw everyone who wants you to give up, this world is worth saving
thinking of what could have been if John Finnemore had been given the reins for S3
what if the conclusion of a biblical parody had been written by a comedy writer, instead of a sex predator and his sycophantic pals... hmm...
we could have had the guy who made the Job mini-episode... instead, we got the Dollar Tree reprise of Sandman...
imagine trying to pretend you were an equal co-author on a successful book and you don't even know what it was about. How embarrassing! Wild horses would not get me to make a 90 minute movie showing that I know fuck-all about the book I allegedly was an equal co-author on.
So much of Season 2 was allusions and references to other things: lots of Powell & Pressburger movies, some Jane Austen books, The Crow Road, and so on. I think I was expecting that Season 3 was going to be similarly cribbed from other people's work, but deep down, I must have assumed that it was going to be a pastiche of Terry Pratchett. It really, really wasn't, and now I find myself wondering whether NG ever actually bothered to read anything much by Pratchett. Because the mess that was S3 doesn't give me the impression that its writers had even the barest passing familiarity with any of the long-running themes of the Discworld series.
So like realistically I never thought Cabin Pressure was coming back nor did I exactly want it to- I agree with John Finnemore that it ended and should stay ended- but there is still something pretty sad about realizing that if we DID want to bring it back we couldn't anymore. Which I guess is really just a way of being sad that one of the cool people who made it as great as it was is gone.
RIP Anthony Head and Hercules the Berkules
from Thief of Time:
"It was a work of art, the sword. It had imaginary velocity, negative energy, and positive cold, cold so cold that it met heat coming the other way and took on something of its nature. Burning cold. There has never been anything as cold as this since before the universe began."
"It glinted and, like the glass clock, looked like the intrusion into the world of something a great deal more complex."

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i hate that i’m not over the gomens finale yet. i want to be a much stronger person. i want to be like oh well it’s just a tv show and canon doesn’t mean anything and i am. i do. mostly. like 70% of the time. or so. idk. and then there’s a wave of grief just crashing over me again
Right there with you. It’s not “just a TV show,” is the way I think about it. It’s all the real-life things this story connects with, all of the real-life hopes and fears and sorrows, all of the pieces of ourselves.
I do love the book, but from the time I saw the show, I saw that These Characters As Portrayed were everything and must be allowed to be happy.
No matter how much projecting we are doing, the idea that these traumatised, lovely, clever, anxious beings that distanced themselves from their people because they couldn't go along with them, and who are exactly the kind that our society has less and less tolerance for-- that they could succeed and heal together happily? It was everything. I don't know if it hurt more that they-as-themselves failed, or how they did, or how they were first contorted into uncanny imitations of themselves first to rip apart the parts of our souls who love them so dearly by not being who we think know they are and taint not only their present (recent?) selves but also themselves through the entire canon? There's a post somewhere on Tumblr that through loving characters we identify with, we learn to love ourselves. What happens now?
i don’t know where we go now. but i found this comment very comforting. let’s go there and hold hands
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