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Despite some academic research claiming that danmei is potentially important for closeted queer people in China, from my personal experience none of my Chinese friends who are queer have the slightest interest in danmei...maybe my sample is too small, or maybe it's because danmei is still mainly seen as a literature for heterosexual girls and women in China. It's an interesting contrast to how enthusiastically danmei has been embraced by the international queer community. I remember in the comment section of one of the danmei comics I'm translating, someone wrote "I'm a guy and I like reading danmei too", and all the girls swarmed under his comment and were like "omg a guy! An actual guy! He must be protected!" lol
Polygamy in Historical China
The most common misconception about chinese polygamy is that men could have "multiple wives". Under older Chinese legal systems, a man could have only one wife at a time, but many concubines. In some later dynasties, a concubine could potentially be uplifted to become a wife if the original wife had died, but replacing an actual wife with a concubine was considered a serious crime, no matter what certain harem dramas might suggest.
Concubines could be bought, sold, and gifted to other men, while wives could not. I doubt PIDW paid any attention to realism or social conventions, so its all whatever with Bingge's harem, but it's still more or less a given that a emperor's wife is the empress. Consorts are just fancier titles for royal concubines. The concept of a "first wife" seems to be a western fandom thing.
Another thing that isn't talked about as often is the practice of polyandry, where a women had multiple husbands. This usually only happened in impoverished rural areas, where individual men could not afford brides. Sometimes brothers would share the same wife, so any children they produced would belong to the same family. This also helped keep scarce resources such as land within the same household, instead of each brother going off on their own and dividing things up. This is distinct from matrilineal polyandry, which is confined to small matriarchal tribes.
#re: prev ->#i do wonder where the nth wife confusion came from#<- I have definitely found articles online that used this terminology so I don't think it originated in fandom#but I'm sure it probably did originate with western misinterpretations of what was going on
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I think a lot of it has to do with lacking context; the word "concubine" can be similarly misleading if people don't already have some understanding of how chinese concubinage works. Is a "concubine" a mistress? Slave? Sex worker? "Lesser wife"? It's too foreign a concept so the term "wife" is sometimes used interchangeably. Honestly "concubine" is a bit of a weird translation too, but I think it helps make a clear distinction between 妻 (qi) and 妾 (qie), because historically they were very different roles. I also suspect that (especially in the olden days), many westerners'™️ first intro to the concept of polygyny comes from bible stories and muslim practices, where depending on where or when you are, you might actually be able to have multiple wives of equal status. In Ancient china though, treating concubines and your one actual wife as equals could literally be punishable by some pretty harsh criminal sentences. (Obviously, people being people, many have attempted to bend the law to varying degrees of success but this was still very far outside the norms of society.)
Also for early Chinese immigrants, attempting to communicate their family situation to a christian society was probably very weird for both parties and there was no standardized terminology for a role that doesn't really exist in the west. This probably left a mark on the west's understanding of chinese polygyny and how terms are used.
Speaking of harems, did you know that there were historical chinese emperors who were monogamous?
The most well-known one was Emperor Hongzhi of Ming (1470-1505). He became the heir apparent pretty much by a stroke of luck--all the other princes were killed off by another consort, and his mom also died to what was assumed to be a harem assassination. I imagine he was pretty traumatized by the whole thing, so when he became an emperor, he was strictly monogamous, though it's said that his empress was deeply enmeshed with her own family, which led to an extreme level of nepotism for the in-laws and a lot of political resentment.
Another example was Emperor Wen of Sui (541-604), though one might argue he was never a true monogamist. He and his wife, Dugu Jialuo, had been married since they were teens and were extremely close. After he became Emperor, his Empress, who was also extremely powerful politically, kept a very tight leash on him and basically prevented him from straying lol. The story went that he cheated once and the empress straight up executed the woman he slept with behind his back. The emperor was so enraged when he found out that he ran away from home in protest, and his officials had to beg him to return to his palace.
They'd be pretty shitty people by modern standards but their marital problems were still extraordinary in the sense that they were the problems of a "normal" couple, as opposed to the wild harem drama of most historical emperors. They even lived together like a regular married couple--normally, the emperor and empress would live separately. The Emperor did eventually say yolo and fuck around with a bunch of concubines after Empress Dugu's death, but his marriage remains an oddity throughout the thousands of years of chinese imperial history.
So yeah, despite the political pressure to build a harem, it was still possible to just... not. If you want to write a monogamous Chinese emperor even in a more grounded historical fiction setting, you definitely can. It'd be extremely unusual but not completely unprecedented.
Hello! May I ask, is Shen Qingqiu/Shen Jiu described as an exotic flower? I saw a Tumblr user raging about how this means Shen Jiu was extremely gorgeous instead of just being one of the many pretty people and how they're upset with the official translation, which apparently used the term eccentric fellow
Hi anon, sorry it took me a while to get back to you! I think the exotic flower thing is a misunderstanding of the word 奇葩, which just means "weirdo", or "lunatic". It's a very common slang term that nobody associates with the literal meaning of the characters.

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说实话,面对漂亮可爱的东西,我的道德观就会瞬间蒸发(笑)。只要画得够香、够对我胃口,不管是什么我大概率都会照单全收(这习惯不太妙……!!!) 🙂↕️
我挺喜欢chaly老师画的ivan,觉得他特别可爱软软,有个温柔的感觉
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I just think fafa being a little mean to lianlian is sexy and they both deserve it (´-ω-`)
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I'm actually comfortable in this pit you put me in. I like it in here and I will resist any attempt made to rescue me. I'm happy with the scraps you feed me and I don't mind how sick I'm getting.
Having non marxist friends is such a drain sometimes. What do you mean you belive in copyright and don't like piracy?
like i try so hard to not be a whiny contrarian about popular things but it’s really hard not to hate kpop demon hunters when sinners is getting snubbed for it and people genuinely think that the movie that’s 60% hamfisted hetslop is yuri
also the music is boring and mid
YO HOLD UP THIS AQUARIUM THEY'RE HAVING A YURI DATE IN HAS GOT COELACANTHS?!?!
GIRLS. GIRLS STOP MAKING OUT. YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON THE MAJESTY OF THE COELACANTH
hate it when you see something in media that has great kink potential so you skedoodle post-haste to ao3 only to discover there's none fic left beef and then you have to sit there going oh I see I'M the pervert weirdo I'M the problem with society and everyone else in the world is going to heaven with a hundred innocence dollars preloaded onto their ole fashioned wholesome funtimes themepark fast pass card like fuckin oath man
#particularly when its something you're not even actually into but its just so Obvious how could it Not be on ao3#but then it isnt. do you have a duty to place the fic in its rightful ecological niche just because you have the vision?#do you have to track down a perv of the appropriate disposition and gift it to them?#do you leave well enough alone even though you can See the absence like a wound in the side of Truth?

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Can you guys watch my fairy tale prince with the lamb motif and my jaded knight who sees himself as nothing more than a starving and desperate wolf while I step out for a moment? And DON'T 🫵 let them kiss.
Okay they haven't kissed but the prince keeps on flashing the length of his bare and vulnerable collarbone to the knight who is getting increasingly restless. The knight is pacing. It's not looking good.
crossposting this meme from a discord server lol