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a lot of svsss fans like to say that their fandom is special because it's not as hostile as the other 2 mxtx novel fandoms to alternate ships (the ones where the main couple gets broken up, idk what else to call them)
and I'm gonna be honest here in your asks — this is not svsss fandom's achievement. this is entirely on the fact that mdzs and tgcf both suck ass in the alternate ships department lmaoo
mdzs and tgcf have main couples for whom basically their entire life revolves around their love. mxtx probably most definitely intended it that way. and when you try to write these characters with other characters it ends up being bland. it's kinda hard to separate soulmates written as soulmates with very intentional and obvious parallels with someone else.
therefore a lot of people fall into the trap of just transferring the preestablished dynamic into the ship that they personally wanna see and it just doesn't work and ends up being clunky. i feel the same way about switch shippers a lot of the time. stop making characters more rough and dominating (outside of bedroom) than they could ever be just cause you wanna see them top later in your story, it's very obvious and very cheap.
on top of that, a lot of alternate shippers hate one or both parts of the main couple. and they also heavily dislike mxtx on top of that for 'mistreating' their blorbos. and that ends up driving a lot of the fans away. you'd think that would be obvious but apparently not. when you end up making hundreds of posts where you say how much you hate character b or how much you hate mxtx, normal and new fans are gonna look at you weird and not ship your weird ass contrarian bullshit that you made up to stick it to the evil mxtx for daring to say she doesn't like splitting up the main couple. because how dare a woman have opinions about what people do with her characters
theres no moral to the story here this rant was just inspired by a xl/hc/mq fic i clicked on as ive misread the tags, and closed it a couple paragraphs in because it felt like that one "and bumblebee" meme with how much they tried to fit mu qing into a relationship with 2 people who were clearly never interested and still stay canon compliant
Hate to break it you, but svsss fandom is as hostile as the other two, it just pretends that it’s not by acting as if the novel is a joke, Shen Qingqiu and Luo Binghe are walking shitposts, and if you ever analyze anything seriously, then you’re “too serious” and “harshing the vibe.” Moshang and Liushen shippers are absolutely insufferable. People want every character they ship as a bottom to be Shen Qingqiu except Shen Qingqiu, who they want to be canon Shang Qinghua. Liushen shippers are like 90% responsible for the prevalence of “rapist!Luo Binghe” headcanons, and Shen Jiu stans spend all their time crowing about how Shen Qingqiu is like a facehugger from the Alien movies because they can’t accept that Shen Jiu is dead by his own choices, twice over (and countless other times if we count that last extra).
Speaking of that last extra, people were about ready to have mxtx drawn and quartered because even before there was any translation or even raws out for it and people only heard that there would be a new extra coming, Moshang stans had already spread the rumor that mxtx “deleted Moshang” because she “felt their popularity threatened Bingqiu.” Shen Jiu stans have been either, once again, weeping and wailing like widows because mxtx continues to reiterate that Shen Jiu is an abusive pos that is responsible for every tragedy in his life past the age of 16 or celebrating as if the extra is about some sort of “Shen Jiu redemption arc” and that Shen Jiu must “get his own Luo Binghe” in another dimension (he doesn’t). For a while, those were the only posts you’d see about the fandom with any notes.
The only thing svsss fandom has on the other two is that it’s successfully convinced people who aren’t in the svsss fandom that it’s all jokes and camaraderie here.
Hua Cheng is kind of the epitome of the phenomenon where people assume that someone is an evil irredeemable asshole just because they come off as mean/rude/abrasive/having an attitude without looking much deeper into their choices and the motivations behind them (both in universe and in the fandom). Which is one of the reasons I love him as a character and is admittedly not helped by him not really trying to dispute this misconception because he doesn’t care much about what people think of him unless they’re Xie Lian, but it does make reading analyses of him a continued test of my patience.
Curious how plenty of the heavenly officials considered fan favorites are in-your-face assholes but never get the kind of comparisons that Hua Cheng gets. Mu Qing argued in support of genocide on the page at least once (twice if we count his opinions on General Hua not allowing his soldiers to massacre enemy civilians). Everyone he knows considers him a rude asshole. Pei Ming was a whole antagonist for like two arcs, his negligence and unwillingness to directly deal with Xuan Ji leading to the deaths of 17 brides in one and then wanting to frame an innocent ghost for his descendant’s mass murdering in the very next. His entire vol. 1 appearance can be boiled down to trying to maintain his status while publicly wishing for Xie Lian’s downfall amidst attempts to alienate him from potential support. Shi Wudu is known as “The Water Tyrant” because he sinks ships that don’t pay him tribute before traveling, so basically his wealth comes from extorting his “worshipers.” He may love his brother, but he isn’t nice even to him. Hell, Lingwen is full of sarcasm, indifference, and knowingly sides with the main villain to save the life of one ghost. Yet none of the characters I’ve mentioned get even half as much scrutiny—let alone criticism—as Hua Cheng does. I don’t think that’s accidental.
I appreciate this addition. From what I have seen, some characters do get a fair amount of criticism (from the readers) for these things — Mu Qing and Shi Wudu come to mind — but they are still not treated as irredeemably evil, and Xie Lian’s recognition of these people’s positive qualities is not called into question half as much as his recognition of Hua Cheng’s (which is often framed as him being blinded by love rather than being able to see through the Heavens’ propaganda about him). And when it comes to Pei Ming specifically… Listen, I think he’s an interesting character, but his serial misogyny is largely treated by the fandom as an entertaining personality quirk rather than the bigotry that it is. You mentioned his negligence regarding the Xuan Ji situation in the earlier arcs, and even later on once he becomes more of a charming side character, he’s still affronted by Yushi Huang’s competence purely because she’s a woman. I am not saying people aren’t allowed to like Pei Ming, but I do think it is telling that he doesn’t face nearly as much scrutiny for this as Hua Cheng does for… what, employing former prostitutes as dancers in Paradise Manor when he’s not really that interested in watching them? (Yes, this is an actual argument I have seen made against Hua Cheng on multiple occasions…)
…people say what now about Hua Cheng “employing” the prostitutes??? After that whole thing with the cultivators hunting him revealing that Ghost City actually shelters the ghosts of prostitutes being hunted down by “righteous” sects???
In another universe I would have loved Shen Jiu but the Fandom's treatment of him makes me despise him at this point. I love a good flawed character but it gets to a point where theres so little canon and so much fanon that the fanon is overpowering. He's not some troubled little meow meow who just wants love, hes a deeply traumatized adult man who abused a child because of how much he hated himself. Don't even get me started on how the Fandom tries to give him more trauma then he already has, was the slave thing not enough for you people? He didn't want to get better, he had so many opportunities to better himself and he didn't. God, I saw a post once that said that the only reason that Shen Yuan was nice and Shen Jiu wasn't was because he could "afford to be nice" because Shen Yuan came from a rich family, fuck my life
Sorry for ranting, this Fandom just drives me crazy when it comes to Shen Jiu
The worst propaganda people have ever fallen for is “being kind and considerate to those around you is the behavior of the upper-crust. People who’ve experienced Real Struggle™️ are all mean, selfish, and stingy.” Like wow, congratulations on regurgitating all the classist, racist, eugenicist talking points of the Victorian age! What’s next up? Poor people should be sterilized and their children kidnapped and disappeared by the state because being poor is child abuse?

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that's genius... xi jinping was right
I like how the point of the post is flying over peoples heads despite being excessively simple.
The thesis of the restoration of capitalism in China after Mao is too simple. The policy of the Communist Party after Mao reflects the changes in the principal contradiction in the world system and the development of internal contradictions in China’s economy. In the first part of the Deng era, from 1976 to the early 1990s, after the tumult of the Cultural Revolution, Chinese leaders were preoccupied with getting the economy running again and upgrading the level of technology. At the same time, capitalism launched neoliberal globalization, with the demand for capitalist investment connected with the outsourcing of industrial production from the global North to the South. But China did not accept the demand for “structural adjustments.”
The Communist Party had its own strategy to maintain the Chinese national project. If the transnational companies wanted access to the Chinese labor force and infrastructure, then China demanded access to the technology and science behind production. With this, China would be able to develop the next generation of technology by itself. The transnational companies were so eager to take advantage of low-wage labor that they accepted Chinese partners in the companies. The result is that China today produces the most advanced solar power systems, 5G networks, smartphones, artificial intelligence, industrial robots, high-speed trains and electric cars.
This was made through the exploitation of the working class and peasants. This tradeoff, between the extreme exploitation of the Chinese working class on one side, and the development of the forces of production on the other side, was done consciously by Deng. The Chinese working class had to endure the hardships of capitalist exploitation for a generation in order to continue the transfer toward socialism.
This may seem to be a cynical position. But was there an alternative at the time? The anti-imperialist wave of the 1960s was running out of steam; the world revolution was a distant goal. The left wing was in crisis globally. The Soviet Union had entered its death-spiral and the global neoliberal offensive seemed unstoppable.
China needed to develop its productive forces. Not only to eradicate poverty in China itself, but also because it is necessary to possess the most developed technology to break the dominance of capitalism, and thus promote a global transformation towards socialism.
Yet by neoliberalism’s crisis in 2007-8, China was capable of producing not only simple industrial products but also advanced electronics. More importantly, Chinese leadership was aware that internal contradictions started to erode the power of neoliberalism. The world market could no longer be the driver of Chinese economic development. China ha[d] to change its economic strategy both on the national and global levels. On the global level, it had to reduce its dependency on exports to the U.S. to avoid being dragged down by crises in the capitalist world economy. On the national level, it had to roll back neoliberal policies and repair the damage done to Chinese society—a kind of “soft delinking,” following Samir Amin’s advice for engaging with the capitalist world system on the way towards socialism:
…the organization of a system of criteria for the rationality of economic choices based on a law of value, which has a national foundation and a popular content, independent of the criteria of economic rationality that emerges from the domination of the law of capitalist value that operates on a world scale.
The Communist Party charted a zig-zag course in terms of delinking and relinking strategies according to the economic and political developments in the world system. From 1949 until 1971, delinking was presented as a policy of self-reliance, but it was more the result of necessity than of choice.
The relinking from 1978 was a reaction to the challenge of neoliberal globalization, to modernize China, and to counter imperialist domination in the longer run. It was for sure a deviation from the strict socialist course. It made China the “factory of the world,” but with the consequences of environmental degradation, rural-urban inequalities, and an enlarging gap between the rich and the poor. The course had to be adjusted by adopting policies of “rural reconstruction,” “dual circulation,” “elimination of extreme poverty,” and “common prosperity.” All policies which are “putting people’s needs first.” In this sense, the state is rejecting the capitalist law of value.
I have presented the Chinese revolution and its effort to build socialism as a long process influenced by the interaction of the principal contradictions in the world system with local contradictions. It has created breaks, but there is also a continuity, as Ali Kadri states:
The past is alive in the present. It is neither the person of Mao nor Deng who endures, but the revolutionary ideology that charted the recent course of history. Whether Deng’s cat was catching mice or whether China was feeling the stones as it crossed the river, it did so under the ironclad fist of the Communist Party. To falsify the structural continuity in modern Chinese history is an ideological position that aligns with imperialism.
No other country has managed to develop its productive forces both in qualitative and quantitative terms faster than China. Most importantly, China has broken the polarizing dynamic in the capitalist world system, which for centuries, on one hand, has relegated the Third World to poverty, and on the other hand, concentrated wealth and power in the imperialist center. This gives new prospects for the development of socialism and heralds the end of capitalism. No small achievement for a political party.
-Torkil Lauesen, The Long Transition Towards Socialism And The End Of Capitalism Pgs. 271-274
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if i see one more comment advocating for bottom hc i’m ngl i think chinese fans deserve to beat you to death
or worse…top xl…🤬🤬🤬
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if i see one more comment advocating for bottom hc i’m ngl i think chinese fans deserve to beat you to death

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