just saw a caption that said “‘maybe in another universe’ because Az could never actually love Crowley as a demon” someone shoot me now
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just saw a caption that said “‘maybe in another universe’ because Az could never actually love Crowley as a demon” someone shoot me now

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So. Terry Pratchett is the one who wrote the vast majority of the original book, based off an outline and worldbuilding done by Neil. Starting with that.
There's a line that really sticks with me, about Crowley being an optimist at heart, underneath it all, and believing that no matter what, the universe will look after them. He doesn't give up when it looks like the Apocalypse really is going to happen after all. He doesn't give up on humanity. And it's that optimism, that he's specifically gotten from all his time spent with humanity, that sets him apart and allows him to exercise free will to go against the Ineffable Plan.
And there's another line by Pratchett that the ending makes me think of: "It may help to understand human affairs to be clear that most of the great triumphs and tragedies of history are caused, not by people being fundamentally good or fundamentally bad, but by people being fundamentally people." Maybe the solution all along would've been to just let all the other demons and angels have that exposure to humanity too, to help them realize they're also people.
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ok i’m actually having a breakdown because just why couldn’t they be happy??? i’ve had enough celestial beings sacrificing themselves and their gay relationship for the good of humanity. why do gay people always have to sacrifice themselves why can’t they ever just BE HAPPY. no strings attached. good omens seemed like exactly the type of show that would have that. at the end of season one (and the only book mind you so in one canon that was just the end) everything is fine they’re happy there aren’t a any problems and it has a happy ending. but as SOON as they started implementing the overtly gay stuff there had to be angst. the subtext was fine but as soon as they decided to make it undoubtedly queer they stopped being happy. what form of homophobia have we come to? representation yes, but at what cost?
why am i as a queer person not allowed to see representation on my screen that doesn’t try to break my heart just to get me to watch it
unless it’s specifically romance, which is unfortunately a genre i’m just not interested in, i’m not allowed to see gay people thriving and being happy just because
I just think that the versions with all the trauma, suffering and history deserved a happy ending. I don’t think the take away should be that the only way to get a happy ending is for those things to have never happened to you.

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i just don’t understand why they weren’t allowed to be happy. why aren’t we allowed to get queer media where the couple ends up together and happy
after having sat with the finale for a while, i truly think a lot of it was as well done as we could have hoped for given how rushed it needed to be and the means they had to make it (fuck you neil gaiman) but the ending still doesn’t sit right with me. so so many people are saying “no you just don’t get it they’re together in every universe” and yk what maybe i don’t get it. please explain to me why they had to die to save everything when they had the means to save everything and live
because to me, i don’t really care about their au versions. it would’ve been a nice addition to an ending where our aziraphale and crowley actually got to be together to show that they’re together in every universe but the thing is they’re not. in the only universe we were shown and care about, they’re not together because they never existed. and that’s what i care about. i don’t care that they didn’t kiss or blah blah blah i just wanted my demon and my angel to be happy together and they’re NOT because they’re gone. and the two people who are together in the end are not my crowley and my aziraphale. their souls may find each other in every universe but the one that really counted is gone. and i just don’t understand why they had to have a tragic ending. there was no reason for it why couldn’t they just be happy after all this time
also who was crowley??? they show him in season two opening the files that can’t be accessed unless you’re a high ranking angel and i thought they’d clear that up this season. it seems like an important detail to just forget about completely
the thing is billions of people died. literally everyone. people they cared about. people we as the audience cared about. and they could have brought them back and lived as humans on earth but instead they chose to also die and restart everything about humanity from scratch
also i just don’t believe that god has always shipped them and they always made her smile. like??? did we watch the same show? the one where they had to wait more than 5,000 years to even call it a friendship because their love was so taboo? the same one where god drowned and killed kids just to make a point btw. no way was she up there in the clouds tumblr blogging about ineffable husbands
this part actually made sense to me. god is just a weird freak and i think part of her enjoyment of their relationship was BECAUSE it was so taboo. they couldn’t be open about how they loved each other and so they had to sneak around and pretend they weren’t and that’s why god liked it. she seemed amused that aziraphale was the only angel to lie to her and what did he lie about most, if indirectly? his relationship with crowley. if she didn’t like it aziraphale would’ve been in hell long ago for all the bullshit he pulled

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Isn't one of the major thematic points of the book and season 1 and 2 that Crowley and Aziracrow actually do have free will? That they have the power to make choices and be affected or affect others by the consequences of those choices? They believe they can't choose to be good or evil, that they're stuck in their natures, but then they go and do each other's miracles, and interfere with human affairs, sometimes messing up (graveyard) sometimes making better (Job) sometimes having no effect at all (first apocalypse). Aziraphale chose to go to heaven to save everything. Crowley chose to stay. Just because they're oppressed by the system doesn't mean they lack free will. Their creativity, imagination, and refusal to only do what is allowed were their greatest assets.
Wasn't one of the major thematic points the fact that no one is completely good or bad, we simply make choices, therefore the dichotomy between heaven and hell and angels and demons is an illusion? Both demons and angels suffer and are lonely under the system. Wouldn't it have made more sense to create a world where angels and demons can have the opportunity to learn and grow with humanity the way Aziraphale and Crowley did?
The finale doesn't actually address these points because they remove the problems by just starting everything over, which is in direct contradiction to everything they fought for in season 1 and with the Job minisode.
I agree that the ending should have always involved dismantling the system and creating an entirely new one. But it should have been a new system in the world they knew with the humans they'd come to love, and allowed everyone a chance at redemption. Or at least the autonomy to choose for themselves.
Crowley making one choice for the whole universe and undoing all of their work isn't thematically consistent and doesn't actually address anything that's been introduced this far. Why go through the trouble of establishing all this world building just to erase it?
How is the new human world better? What is the consequence of no heaven and hell other than Crowley and Aziraphale can be openly together (in the time period they occupy. I'm pretty certain homophobia would still exist)? Is the human experience fundamentally altered? Wasn't the whole point that humans actually do what they want regardless of heaven and hell's agenda because they're unpredictable and have imagination?
Isn't one of the themes from season 1 that the four horsemen, war famine pollution death, are actually man made concepts (well except for death)? And that one of the reasons Adam left the world as it was was because he felt humans needed to take responsibility for the earth and have the opportunity to fix their own mistakes? Isn't that why he didn't rebuild the whale population? Doesn't killing off all the humans and not letting them have a choice in making the new world really undermine that?
Isn't one of the themes that humanity is worth saving, and one of the major points demonstrating that theme being there are two nonhuman beings who still love humans despite witnessing them commit the same mistakes over and over? Isn't that nuance kind of lost when they become human themselves? Then their love for humanity is more self preservation and without the benefit of a long term view. DO they even love humanity as much when they're humans? I didn't exactly see a lot of general human love, mostly interpersonal romantic connection between them two.
Am I crazy? Am I going crazy? Did anyone in that writer's room watch more than 5 minutes of the same series I did?
imagine being gabriel and beelzebub, you're finally happy together, off on another planet and suddenly poof you don't exist anymore
this is another thing bc WHAT. which one of them got destroyed first and had no idea what was happening until they also vanished
did micheal destroy gabriel out of spite for all that he did and leave beelzebub alone for days? did they get to disappear within minutes of each other while micheal was just throwing pages willy nilly into the fire so neither of them had to suffer too much?
like am i crazy or was there actually ZERO reason at all that crowley and aziraphale had to say oh yeah kill us too 🫶
Those two characters at the end are adorable and I love them and I am happy for them. They got their happy ending and their cottage.
But these characters aren't Crowley and Aziraphale. Crowley and Aziraphale are gone. They have never even existed.......
6000 years. they'd been friends for 6000 years and spent the whole time pretending they weren't. they loved each other more than anything else in the universe and they only got a couple of years to live without heaven and hell breathing down their necks after saving the world. they didn't get any time at all to live together with everything out in the open. nightingales might have sang in berkeley square again but they weren't there to hear them. they never got to be an us. after all that.

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The destruction of the entire universe and every soul in it is a truly depressing ending. Just because God replaced it with another universe that looked similar doesn't change anything - this is Job and his children all over again. Job doesn't want new children, and neither do I.
and another thing… idk about you guys but my crowley and aziraphale are a demon and an angel, enemies to friends to situationship to almost-lovers, a 6,000 year slowburn. and they were fully shaped by the fact that they are supernatural beings, and by all their shared experiences, good and bad. that crowley and aziraphale have now semi-canonically been snapped out of existence, they have *never* even existed in this universe, they were basically book of lifed, the very punishment that was a threat in s2. and no weird ooc human au can ever be them because what they’ve been through and what they’ve learned is so much of who they are
this exactly and just WHY make this choice when there were so many others that don’t take away everything they’ve been doing and trying to do
i just don’t understand wanting to end the story that’s so important to so many people by changing the whole story so that it technically never happened in the first place