hi i’m into upp/jrwi now heh…
louie is okay guys. please. trust me he is. no. i refuse to exist in a world without my son.
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hi i’m into upp/jrwi now heh…
louie is okay guys. please. trust me he is. no. i refuse to exist in a world without my son.

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Some old(ish) WIPs I’ll prob never finish… or at least not finish any time soon BUT I’m posting them cuz I am still proud of them :^D
(from eps 120 & 121)
Hey guys here’s something that kept me up last night what if the Norah we saw at the end of Empty Graves is just the way Norah is now. from here on out?
After the Ritual Norah doesn’t smile like, once. She doesn’t react when William and Isaac joking around and all she can think about is completing this ritual. She’s one track minded, she literally tells her friends to shut up (rightfully so but its still so ooc for her, normally), there’s moments where she seems so cold and distant its hard not to be freaked out by it. That moment where Norah refuses to let go of the night sticks with me especially. The way Milo described it as if Norah was equal parts terrified of, and comforted by the knife— what if that carries over in her life after Empty Graves?
Because sure, the threat is gone, but so might her dad and so might Lui, and how is she supposed to cope with the weight of what she’s done as well as the weight of the grief she’s experiencing?
After all, sanity is a permanent stat. She cant recover the sanity she lost during Diseased Residents or Empty Graves. If thats permanent, why wouldn’t shifts in her personality be too?
What if we never get to see the Norah who talks about fish facts, or starting a band, or how she couldn’t get through the genocide run of undertale again? What then?
What if we do see her in Prime Defenders s3 but she’s so disconnected from the person she used to be that she’s unrecognizable. What if William sees her again and can’t believe he’s looking at the same girl he knew? What if Bizly uses her as an NPC and uses an alias and WE as the AUDIENCE don’t even realize its Norah???
Can’t wait for more rant and punch.
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Saw @charlie-jpeg ‘s design for wiwi and I had to draw him. Like. Cmon now. That’s wiwi.
these guys are cool
(i didnt finish drawing lui sdkfjasld)
Upp 2.4 really reinforced a lot of ideas I’ve had about Williams character for a while and it makes me sooo happy…
Lui getting angry at William because he’s acting so stupid and playful amongst all the terrifying things. William constantly edging away from direct danger yet still complaining when it has to be his turn. William making jokes and puns at such a horrible time because he copes with it all in a way that just Isn’t Helpful to everyone else.
He’s not malicious about it, he’s just inherently playful (wisp moment) and more of an aid than a tank (wisp moment).
William looking to Lui’s eyes and seeing how overconfident he feels with the grimoire… I really love how often in upp (and in pd actually) he picks up on people lying or acting oddly (even when it’s not malicious!!! Lui upp2.4 and Tide in pd1 finale!!!)… William Could have said something to him, could have done more. William could have comforted Norah and Lui and he sort of tries by attempting to lighten the mood but they just don’t land.
It really feels like William isn’t built for the story he’s in. He’s a comedic dork who never seems to fully grasp the danger he’s putting himself in despite being so afraid of it. He never takes anything seriously enough. And it annoys the other characters!!!! Lui gives him a look, Norah is clearly on her last bits of sanity and Isaac clearly disliked William’s little “why is it always me?” In the forest!!!!! William being the problem in every dynamic he’s ever been in and ever will be because he’s just Like That (wisp moment) !!!!!!!
they never got to start a band…
dont imagine william channeling lui and norah and isaac every time he has to come up with a plan in prime defenders, because he’s used to it being HIM who runs into deadly situations without a plan.
Now the roles are reversed and william has to make the plans , because vyncent and dakota sure as hell arent going to. dont think about how william was never the rational one, he was just the one who knew the consequences of diving in head first, because he’d lived through them first hand, and he cant bear to risk making the same mistakes twice
yeah okay rewatching prime defenders and holy shit. early william reminds me so much of lui.
SPOILERS: PD season 2 and Empty Graves Case File 4
obviously this could not have been intentional on charlie’s part but its so jarring. i notice it near the end of episode 6 especially, while they’re investigating the lab. Its subtle but the moment William hears about how the lab got destroyed (and that there were some kind of experiments going on) his demeanor visibly shifts. It’s not exactly the kind of thing he faced off against in UPP, but its not far off. So while Dakota is speed-cleaning without a second thought and Vyncent is sort of kind of helping, William is RUSHING to investigate before Dakota cleans up the evidence, and suddenly William doesn’t feel like a hero in training anymore, he feels like a boy who has seen to much and is immediately preparing for the worst.
Its the way William approaches it that really gets to me. In UPP, William is still obsessed with solving the mystery, but he’s far more interested in chasing it physically (following the bugs into the woods in diseased residents, for example) rather than putting the clues together. In fact, Lui’s usually the one locked in on getting all the answers, and understanding the horrors at the root.
But in PD? Sure, Williams thrown into action more often but when it comes to the mysteries, William is using Lui’s approach. He looks at the clues, researches them, tries to find leads and answers but would he ever recklessly run into a situation he didn’t understand? Fuck no! He has an easy enough time doing this in UPP but in Prime Defenders William is so scared of running into danger, not only does this lead to being in more danger, but it leads to his literal death in the finale. Its obvious why this changed happened, knowing what we do about UPP, but knowing there was once a William willing to recklessly run into danger without the power to face it recontextualizes so much about William’s arc in PD. And its so ironic that once William has the power to face that danger, he didnt, and both in UPP, and in PD, his response to danger, despite changing so drastically, always happens to be the one that gets his friends hurt.
Not that William isn’t reckless in PD. Actually, to me he feels reckless in the way that Lui feels reckless in Empty Graves. When the stakes are high enough, both are ready to throw everything away in a way that almost feels desperate.
Regardless of Lui’s fate at the end of UPP, I think the way Lui approached everything he did really stuck with William, and it’s interesting to consider a world where he tried to embody that even though situationally, PD was so so different. And its makes sense, Lui and William have known each other the longest out of the whole UPP group, he knew how to search for answers, how to be there for his friends and guide them through a safe course of action. Now that William cant be there for his old friends, why wouldn’t he want to embody those traits in order to protect his new friends?
The best way I can describe it, and this will only make sense to homestuck fans im sorry, is that Lui is a light player while William is a Prince of Void. I have a lot of thoughts about classpecting JRWI characters but thats a post for another time. To simplify it: There’s a lot of parallels between Lui and William, and the way they approach situations, and for William how this changes over time.
I wonder if it applies to Norah and Isaac too, if William tried to embody traits of theirs once he became a Prime Defender such as Norah’s caution or Isaacs spirit. I haven’t gotten far enough to make any comments on it but I’ll come back to this post if I spot anything.
I’ll also say this. and not really elaborate but maybe i will another day. There’s a lot of parallels between Lui and Ashe. and not just magic books that can do crazy shit. Its kind of haunting, and I wonder if it ever freaked William out because it freaks me out/pos
maybe its just me but watching pd i always thought it was strange the way william interacted with ashe. gotta rewatch to make sure im not tripping, but maybe thats why

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rewatching prime defenders expect essays worth of dakota cole analysis in the near future
She’ll figure it out someday just give it like . Three years and four deaths !
i’m so riptide pilled rn and I have no one to talk to about it. Like, none of my friends have like really nerdy interests like me, so I’m always in a perpetual state of liking things no one else in my friend group likes. All I wanna do is talk about Albatrio and the insane complexities in their characters and FUCKING EPISODE 128 that had be SOBBING the entire time. But NO I’m stuck being the autistic nerd and can’t info dump on the things I like.
Drew Norah for an art collab w a friend !!
can you perhaps draw all 4 riptide PC's at some point ? aurora appreciation is needed too /nf :)

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if you would draw perfect mitch i would simply be forever in your debt even more than i already am for you convincing me to start riptide -forecastsaysrain
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i cant even imagine the fucking emotional whiplash william must have gotten from facing the horrors and dying to fighting fart monsters like a week later