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Corruptiongate p.4: The vanishing never-existing of Jonathan Byers, Suzie Bingham, Barbara Holland — and the drama of the real finale + doppelgangergate
[ p.1, p.2, p.3 + visual erasure of Will in s2 ]
Jonathan seems to be a character created by the Lab to give Will a brother. Jonathan could be visually based on David Bowie and performing tasks of supporting him and also introducing Will to music, which would keep Will in the simulation.
(although I’m not sure that he as Jonathan acknowledges it, and probably is genuinely living in Nina and loves his ‘brother’)
But Jonathan isn’t just an empty hologram.
(meanwhile, notice how the colour palette of Jonathan’s room, including the Bowie shot, duplicates in Will’s t-shirt)
…Have you ever wondered why we love Robin so much?.. Why she is such a good friend to Will? Why she has basically substituted Jonathan for him? Why is she so good in music and even knows what Will would like, barely being acquainted to him?
(we’ve known for a long while that Holly is Mike, and who knows who’s Max atp, but Ig, this door also has a lock on it)
my og post with 👆 visual analysis + @beaulesbian meta finds
Robin is good at music like Jonathan, Robin likes Nancy like Jonathan, Robin is Will’s support like Jonathan. Robin knows the kids. Bc Rockin fucking Robin IS Jonathan.
And it’s Robin who plays Jonathan, not vice versa, bc👇 Steve and Robin are Brenner’s numbers 👇
(It can also explain the absence of their parents)
The way I see it is that Robin was placed in the hologram when, let’s say, Will needed a brother figure; as soon as he’d grown up, he got a queer friend who helped me where Jonathan could’ve but he wouldn’t understand Will that much. All this time it was one character, who was originally a girl, but changed their gender to fit in Will’s life.
Jonathan yarning for Nancy while she’s in Stancy, anyone? (now I even see Steve in this Dan. And El)
this also explains why the characters keep quoting each other: sometimes it can be literally just one character, or it can be switching-arcs- s5 (like in @warmglowhc example of Mike as Dustin), or repeating storylines, mixing with each other.
(do we still remember that Priah wasn’t that satisfied with Erica’s ending? could that be bc Erica is not real either?)
What fascinates me is the tendency of switching genders of the characters, depending on what was needed for Nina tv-season:
At this point I believe that Dustin is in the lab, same as Henry is 001; but Suzie and Barb are their versions needed for other characters for the plot.
❗️Along with this there’s a pretty solid evidence for stonathan endgame by @strange-anni which also matches Will’s erasure from the narrative; so far I’m not exactly sure how it aligns, but as there are also shots of Robin and Jonathan together, I believe in the simulation they can be duplicated (doppelgangergate, anyone?): like, here’s a nurse looking like Nancy, aside from Vickie being Nancy:
and as for this gang, I’ve always felt like they are a crew here, so I even assumed that they might be just the “agent smiths”, however, as we’ve just seen, I still believe that just partly —
I think it’s gonna be the drama of the real finale:
some of our characters are just a program, but they’re attached to each other, they have feelings, and they might be not ready for this to end.
Stonathan might be endgame inside Nina, if Steve chooses to stay. Ronance will become endgame irl. Max’s been sus too long not to be a program, so does it speak in Lucas staying in Nina? (We’ve had theories that Lucas could’ve stayed with her version wherever she is, and somehow we’re back there?) If Steve stays for Jonathan, Dustin might stay for Steve. It also means that Eddie might get back into the picture, but generally we need to lock in sfm with doppelgängers, as it’s a huge hint at who’s real.
The ticket from Tales quite truly foreshadowed:
[ main corruptiongate posts ] [ other key theory posts ]
p.s. here’s one more genderbend and self-insert from this post by @lesikm
Just recently we have discussed that we don’t know why El was looking at the camera in Nina as if Brenner could see her: my assumption to that is that he also visits his holo-worlds.
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I love it but what could also be fun is that, all of these things are happening. But for instance, each person and their ‘other person’ is like someone who works for the lab, and someone who’s trapped by the lab.
So like it’s like a full operation break-out with other people trying to help (because I love the idea of people trying to break them out so much!)
So like, they’re all real, it’s just that for instance Nancy, Steve, Mike (I also theorized that the Wheelers are Creels and Brenners!) are connected to people who work at the lab (Karen, Ted), they want to break out Robin, Jonathan, and Will from the rainbow room. Something like that, so that like, all of the… so it’s like the MK Ultra people, the kids, the parents, the people who work with the lab, etc all fighting to break people out but also getting shit fucked up along the way and they are lost and can’t tell who’s who and what not.
I had a feeling that Steve and Robin could be the Lab workers, but the picture tells me otherwise; however, if the resolution is somewhat similar to what you’re describing that’d be awesome too!
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Did someone else notice that we can see the supernatural creatures more in the VHS version? Like holy fk, the scene of Will in season 1 episode 1 when he is in the little cabin, we can barely see the Demogorgon in the original version, but in the VHS version it almost clear as day. I don't if you guys understand how big that is, THE VHS VERSIONS ALLOWS US TO SEE MORE THAN WE DID BEFORE
So, I had no idea how to show this properly through just screenshots, so I made a quick edit.
They completely altered the scene where Dr. Brenner gets attacked too😭
I made an edit where I play each version separate and then play them in sync with one another, and then again in slow-mo. The VHS Edition actually prolonged the scene and I had to cut part of it in the beginning to make it sync up properly‼ Just FYI.
Please note The 1st/top clip is always the standard/original version and the 2nd/bottom clip is always the VHS Edition version. I had to put the video in 2:3 Portrait mode to fit the clips properly.
(I tried to lower the volume on the clips since Tumblr loves to jump scare you with loud audio)
but please watch this and tell me what you see. Because I see a difference in both versions. In the original release, the demo moves in to the frame slanted and it's back is completely curved & it also moves more quickly.
In the VHS Edition, it moves in straight-forward with a straightened back and just lunges forward, and also more slowly, which actually made the clip a tad longer than the other so I had to shorten the beginning of it so that they sync up properly sound-wise.
I know everyone is talking about the white lines, but LOOK HOW MUCH OF THE DEMOGORGON you can see in the background in this shot! That’s CRAZY! I’m going to reblog with the original clip just for comparison!
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JK it won’t let me repost with it!
Electromagneticgate we are so here! I don’t know what it means at all yet, but it’s so interesting because I wonder how this will work when we get to the actual clip of the Shadow Monster on the VHS-C but we’re watching it on VHS or on VHS-C (because VHS-C was out in 1984). Will it disappear…? Are the true monsters, more visible on VHS?
I mean, they are shown to interact with tapes, and now we are getting the VHS tapes. VHS tapes work by having analog signals (different from like radio signals but still signals) encoded onto them, and then the VCR basically decodes them into a format that is visible on your screen.
Even the damn NOISE from a VHS tape looks like the starry sky backgrounds in the show…
Remind you of anything…?
Lastly, putting the date on a VHS is a manual recording option… Will, you smart boy!
Worth noting, this DATED tape is also the one the lab confiscated… 🤨🧐
Some of the ones Brenner has are dated, some are not.
Removing height would also likely, get rid of these dates! *we need more height!*
This is making me wonder about these end shots again, the black and white.
Lastly, the consumer … VHS (video home system) is a consumer-level analog tape recording 👀
WHAT does that mean hehehehe in this context ANYWAYS why is Brenner using consumer level taping for the lab what a weirdo, like ur with the government you have access to higher technology id assume
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As I’ve previously outlined in the following post:
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I think that the Upside Down is basically working a conduit to access future technology/scientific advancements (from OUR timeline).
The lab is opening gates to access future technology that it can experiment on for mind-control experiments, military operations, and general control of media / culture. The lab is doing this for control, and spinning a narrative based on how the kids/town already understands the world. Therefore, Vecna and the Mind Flayer are a representation of this knowledge being used for control, conformity, and manipulation. Also, how people in the past would make sense of current technology.
But the characters also go into the Upside Down, and Will has interactions with the Shadow Monster. Henry also has interactions with the Shadow Monster… I think the Shadow Monster is the representation of what this future technology could be used for, if it was in the hands of the people.
So, the Shadow Monster act through people in the town, but also primarily targets people with control and power THROUGH these people. A lot of these people… are also queer-coded as fuck.
Queer Technologies is an organization that produces critical applications, tools, and situations for queer technological agency, interventio
Again, the characters going into the Upside Down would also give them access to some of the concepts outlined above. But this might be a cool explanation for all of the queer-coding, and how it has an even deeper meaning than we think. As in the queer-coding is even a function of the plot, and required to understand the plot itself. Really putting the coding in queer-coding, and really bringing queer stories from the subtext to the text of the story.
Just a sneak-peak of the website… it’s artistic, political, etc., advocating for incorporating a more human focused view of technology.
Dr Owens, Barb/Nancy, two tapes-memories in one: Jonathan and Nancy were not together in the Lab
(the Shutter Island, The Truman Show and Fight Club)
Do you remember a theory that Hawkins got flayed in the end of season 2? I believe we have corrupted memories earlier (most likely from the very beginning of the show, but that’s story for another time). Let’s check this one out.
The first thing that stood out to me was this shot:
Dr Owens opens the door, and the scientist starts “working” immediately. He was not working, when the door opened, he started at the same moment. This jumped out at me as if it was staged, and no one was indeed working there until Nancy and Jonathan entered the room. It gave The Truman Show immediately, and I rewatched the whole sequence… a dozen times.
The sequence starts with this shot:
Here we see just Jonathan, and it would be fine, if only I didn’t feel weird by the way the next shot separates Jonathan from Nancy: we see just him in the mirror, which is okay for thing angle, but something still feels off… For example, the fact that Jonathan in the mirror is not Jonathan in the room. The mirror is fake!
You can see this clearly if you compare the way the chair is seen and Jonathan’s posture.
Then, this shot is followed by (what would you think) the surveillance camera shot 🙂↕️ where everything goes even wilder right away:
as much as I could dismiss Jonathan’s hands (the right one is on the left one, while in the shot before the left one was above) or Nancy’s bag (and its shoulder strap) changing position, we still have Jonathan’s posture on the left where he sits with his back against his backrest, while in the mirror it’s different again, but also!!!!
NANCY IS TRANSPARENT!
It looks like her image was put above Jonathan’s. There’s literally no explanation for this table to be seen at the same time we see Nancy. And besides, her image clearly differs from the whole shot. Meanwhile, the shot with Jonathan looks like he is alone there silently looking right into the camera.
My first theory was that Nancy is non-existent in this sequence whatsoever and this is only Jon’s memory, but some dialogues after made me reconsider this.
Anyways, then Owens suggest a walk, and Jonathan again doesn’t match his reflection: staying right in front of the chair on this side, he stands very far in the mirror, and also close to the end of the table (although he moves synchronically).
They start walking, and here I caught The Truman Show vibes, when several people were turning around (as if they were curious actors), and The Shutter Island vibes bc, even though Owens addresses them both a couple of times, it still can be seen as if he was talking to only one of them for whom this spectacle is played. (+ Fight Club)
(fyi, George Sargon died on March 22nd, 1956)
Here I had a theory that Jonathan lost his mind after Will’s death, and Owens plays along to his fantasy that he investigates something with Nancy Wheeler, and everyone knows what’s happening and that’s why they turn around.
But is the corridor walk Jonathan’s memory?
The wording “your brother and Ms. Holland”… Whose brother? Did anything happened to Mike? Why does it sound like he speaks to just one person? And this person is Nancy… Imagine, that she’s alone: he speaks of Mike, or Barbara, then:
“You guys been together long?” “We (we)re not together.” “Wanna see what really killed your friend?”
It could be about Jonathan and Will, but then Barb stands out and I barely see Jonathan and Barb as a possibility… but who knows atp. My bet is Bancy though, with the hunch that here we witness two separate tapes and memories combined. Firstly, Jonathan’s, then Nancy’s. Corrupted memories by Brenner’s tapes?
Enjoy!
I’ll finish the post with this:
Consider the possibility that Jonathan in the mirror is Jonathan on the tape, the hands actually match… the fact that tape!Jon’s and real!John’s hands do not match can be just a production error (moreover, on the tape we can see a mirror too in the “correct” place, not mirrored, so I might be wrong), but the idea of the mirrored reality seems curious.
___________________________________________ tagging honey buns who were waiting for the post: @warmglowhc @wrathfulstarlightcavern @sorafyr3 @gritstartar @worldofsouthernwind @itswhatyougive ; @bbghostbones I meant the very last panel, but also I recommend you to check out George Sargon, I didn’t find anything for my theories, briefly reading his biography, but it might be useful for you!
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Im crying bruh, Nancy insulted Jonathan’s music taste and he said she doesn’t know ball immediately. Can’t believe he was supposed to sassy, even near death. Why would they take this away from me?