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A bitter realization I've had is that neither Jews or Israelis, or Palestinians, actually have much in the way of genuine allies.
Many of the most vocal "pro-Palestine" folks are at least partly just using the cause of Palestine to promote their hatred of Jews, and/or a communist/anarchist revolution against the "Western establishment." Or they're folks like the Ruzzian and Iranian regimes, pursuing their own imperial ambitions. They do not want an equitable peace, they want the warfare and bloodshed to escalate to the total destruction of Israel/Jews/the West, and they do not seem to care how many Palestinians are sacrificed in the process to get it. They ignore or outright defend the atrocities of Hamas, the Iranian regime, etc against their own people as well as others, and paint the victims and opponents of them as Israeli/US agents.
On the flip side, the most vocal and powerful supporters of Israel outside the Jewish community are US conservatives and evangelicals. They also do not actually care about Israel or Jews. Tr*mp rails against antisemitism in universities and arrests pro-Palestine activists, but this is not out of genuine concern for Jews. He is a casual antisemite and known Hitler fanboy who stacked his cabinet full of people like RFJ Jr.- who claimed Covid was designed to target white and Black people and spare Chinese people and Jews (implicitly, that it was designed as a bioweapon by the Jews). He USES fighting antisemitism as cover to try to criminalize dissent and control universities- while demanding, for example, that a university turn over a list of Jews on the campus. To fight antisemitism, of course. He isn't even a good ally to Netanyahu, having presumed to publicly announce policy changes or deal on behalf of Israel that Israel's government had not agreed to. As for the evangelicals, the True Believers only want Israel to exist so it can fulfill its role in their End Times prophecies and Jesus can return and send all the Jews to Hell (what this deranged hate fantasy looks like in practice is a nuclear exchange in the Middle East- US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee, a hardline member of the Religious Right, reportedly urged Tr*mp to nuke Iran).
It is a tremendous tragedy that both Palestinians and Israelis' "supporters" are very often people who have no actual interest in their well-being, but simply in using them as proxies in their own wars. Both peoples deserve far better than to have their nations, their rich cultures, their very lives reduced to expendable tokens for the pursuit of other nations' imperial ambitions, or the culture wars of white Westerners.
i saw your post regarding priest!robby AUs and i was curious about the part about giving him horns and making him a vampire
i never heard that that imagery was offensive towards other religous minorities(or jewish ppl specifically) so i'd really like if you could go more in depth about that topic
i think it'd be very educational, especially for writers who don't want to offend anyone
First off, thank you so much for asking. I really appreciate you reading my post and wanting to know more. I've been really touched by how people have responded to my post. So many people have been so thoughtful and compassionate.
Western culture has an ancient tradition of depicting Jews as horned demons and as monsters who drink blood. Does this mean every devil or vampire is intentionally depicting a Jew? No. Unfortunately the problem is more complicated. It's like how animalistic, dark monsters (especially ones sexually threatening white women) aren't necessarily "intended" to depict black men, but the imagery is directly related to depictions of black people and what white people believe about them (1, 2). The visual language of our culture says minorities look like these monsters and that monsters look like these minorities. It's mutually reinforcing.
The classic racist imagery of Jews is that we’re demonic, bloodthirsty, and blood-sucking:
I'm gonna put the rest of this under a readmore.
Horns
Jews have been associated with devils and depicted as devil-like throughout history. The New Testament refers to Jews who don't accept Jesus as the “synagogue of Satan” (Revelations 2:9, 3:9). Depictions of devils look like racist caricatures of Jews, racist caricatures of Jews look like devils: horns, hooked noses, evil expressions, scraggly beards, and (historically, usually; currently, among white supremacists) dark/sallow skin. Much of this has to do with bad translations of the Bible contributing to Moses being depicted with horns, fusing with depictions of Satan borrowing from the pagan god Pan. The shooter at the Pittsburgh synagogue The Tree of Life, referenced in Season 2 Episode 3, specifically said "Jews are the children of Satan" on his blog.
And people take the Satanic imagery literally.
These are just two interviews, but there are modern people who still think Jews actually have horns:
I had a friend, Carol Beck, who - when she found out I was Jewish, said to me, ‘You can't be Jewish. You don't have horns.’ I said, ‘What?’ And she said, ‘I was told that all Jews have horns.’ I said, ‘No. I'm a Jew. I don't have horns. Nobody I know has horns.’ (source)
So please, do not depict Jews with horns.
Vampires
This requires some background on why Jews are associated with being bloodthirsty and "blood suckers." It goes back a long way.
Many Christians to this day believe that the Jews killed Jesus, who is the archetypal innocent in Christianity. Because consuming the blood of Jesus is part of the good ritual of the Eucharist in Good Religion, Christianity, Christians imagined that there must be a parallel bad ritual in the Bad Religion, Judaism. These ideas fused in the "blood libel": the belief that Jews deliberately, often ritually, murder innocents. Over and over throughout history, blood libel accusations have broken out, leading to torture (to extract "confessions") and mass murder of Jewish communities.
The story usually says that Jews then consume the blood or even body parts of ritually murdered children, sometimes baking blood into matzah for Passover (nvm that Jews are forbidden to eat blood! "kosher salt" is called that because it's used in the koshering process that removes blood from meat, rendering the meat kosher). Added to this is the idea that Jews are essentially an invasive parasite, greedily leeching off of society as part of the Jewish agenda to destroy all that is good.
So some people believe Jews are literally blood-drinkers; some people believe Jews are metaphorically blood-suckers. The core image is consistent, either way. The depiction of Jews as vampires in modern antisemitic imagery was and is widespread among racists. The 1922 movie Nosferatu (see middle image above) in particular is a good example of the imagery of the Jew directly showing up as vampiric. This is a terrific article about it.
This isn't to say you couldn't do a depiction of a Jew as a vampire thoughtfully, without evoking antisemitic canards. But, like I said in my original post, you'd want to proceed with the same caution with which you'd be depicting any minority in a way that goes with the grain of racist caricature, rather than against it. But going against it is the safer bet. Bringing up how black people are caricatured again, the contrast is between the animalistic, atavistic way black people have been depicted in racist images vs. the cool, suave black vampires in movies like Blacula and Blade. The parallel move for Jewish monsters would be to lean into more macho monsters (especially since Jewish men are often caricatured as weak, sly, and effeminate). We're not a monolith, but a lot of Jews in my notes are fans of werewolf!Robby.
I know that was a whole lot so thank you again for asking and wanting to know more. Please ask me about anything that I didn't explain well or that you want more information on. ❤️
@yappingdisease so the book I’m writing rn? Is about the ~20,000 Jewish refugees who fled Hitler to Shanghai. And the existence of that community has evolved into a really….fascinating element in contemporary Sino-Israeli relations. Now I’m inclined to by cynical about that, but the genuine pride a lot of Japanese and Chinese individuals/politicians take in having “saved the Jews” during WW2? It genuinely warms my heart. I mean that narrative hardcore oversimplification based on many layers of myth, but the pride is nice. Even if it’s based in messy constructs and philo-Semitic shenanigans.
In my personal experience as a chinese jew, the Jewish perception towards China is also rose tinted by the Shanghai community as well as a bit of Kaifeng Jewry. There have been multiple times when fellow Jews tell me with warmth that they love China because of how they let in and saved Jews in the 1930s and then they’re shocked by how the government is cracking down on the Kaifeng Jewish population—although I think that’s also because most Jews view Kaifeng Jewry as almost mythological, like “woah! There were even Jews in China!!”. Also because historically the Kaifeng Jewish community didn’t really face antisemitism so I think that adds once more to rose tinted glasses some Jews have to China.
Wait they’re cracking down on the descendants of the Kaifeng Jews??? Won’t that be bad for Sino-Israeli relations? They’re like, obsessed with each other. Or is that outdated tea?
Absolutely agreed about specifically Ashkenazi Jews who are aware of that piece of history. CHINA SAVED US! Nah bruh a city carved into three main slices by close to a century of imperialism lacked the unified government necessary to form a coherent refugee policy, and then the Japanese decided not to massacre the community. It’s great that they managed to survive there (and then move to NYC and form cliques that were apparently not interested in socializing with my grandmother), but it was a fortuitous accident. No Chinese or Japanese officials were aggressively inviting them over and handing out teddy bears (that was the Sephardi/Baghdadi Jewish community of Shanghai). The only place where that happened was in the Dominican Republic, because Trujillo wanted to inject more white people into the country, and also because his daughter attended a fancy European boarding school and the only girl who wasn’t racist to her was Jewish.
Have you read Irene Eber? Would love to hear more about your experiences and family history.
The Kaifengim aren't being cracked down on specifically so much as they're being swept up in a much broader religious crackdown (primarily aimed at Muslims and some Christian sects)
The Kaifengim weren't actually the only premodern Chinese Jewish community, and arguably aren't even the only one to survive to the present day! It's just that their presence in Kaifeng, a fairly important city, meant that documentation about them was more likely to survive and more likely to be translated into English. The other established Chinese Jewish communities usually had substantial overlap with Hui communities, and the boundary between Hui Muslim and Jewish was quite vague and fluid. It's often difficult to separate out Jews, Muslims, and Nestorian Christians in Chinese records, as terms for them were often used interchangeably.
Ming dynasty China was arguably the first country to emancipate most of its Jewish population
Thanks for this! Most of my knowledge about the Jews in China is decidedly post-Unequal Treaties. So, Russian refugees, Baghdadi Sephardim, Japanese imperialist philo-Semitic shenanigans, and ofc the 1938-1949 Shanghai refugees. I know bits about the Kaifengim (thanks for introducing me to this usage) but I really appreciate the nuance you’re providing here!
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Why is the Palestinian flag just a Pan-Arabist flag? As opposed to anything to do with Palestine?
Instead just "Placeholder for the Pan-Arab Caliphate We Dream To Be A Part Of"?
Did you know each color on the Pan-Arab flag represents an Arab imperial Caliphate and their associated imperial conquests of non-Arab-indigenous lands??
One of the meanings of the colors is the succession of Islamic Caliphates. Black represents the Rashidun caliphate, which existed from 632-661, and the Abbasid Caliphate, which existed from 750-1517. These are the first and third true Caliphates respectively, and they were marked by a pure black banner. The color white represents the second Caliphate, the Umayyad Caliphate, which was the true Caliphate from 661-750, and whose banner color was white. The color green represents the Fatimid Caliphate, which existed from 909-1171 in North Africa before being conquered by the Abbasids. Red represents the Hashemites, who have traditionally ruled Mecca, and the Ottomans, who, while not Arab, were the fourth true Caliphate and controlled many Arab lands.
Fatimids were Shi'ite; Abbasids were Sunni. I guess whoever designed the flag was trying to bridge the sectarian gap, maybe?
Idk, tbh I was also kinda surprised to learn that the Fatimids were represented on there even though I already knew why there were two Caliphates at the same time. I was vaguely aware that the colors represented different Caliphates, but didn't know specifically that the Fatimids were included.
some meandering context required for this question, for which i apologise. I’m also sorry if this is just an inappropriate question. ss/anon if u can.
I (Asian) grew up upper class in Hong Kong, an incredibly international city, which meant that much emphasis was placed in my education on English and global affairs. I consume(d) more English than Cantonese content, most of which was American. Despite that, my social circle was still overwhelmingly asian.
Which meant that i gained a passing theoretical knowledge of anti-black, anti-indigenous raciam in america. I also internalised some anti black racism in the American form presumably from the American movies/tv shows i was consuming, which i had to work on
All that to ask: what is anti semitism like today/can you explain anti semitism? From my perspective, it makes no sense. It doesn’t come across strongly in media, or I would’ve picked it up. Jews are also mostly White? ethnically indistinguishable? Look the same is what im trying to say. Religious stereotypes cant be it given how secular america/the world is, and the factually true ones (lawyers etc) are positive. jews also seem fairly assimliated.
Hm. Ok. So let's start on the basics. Jews are a global ethnoreligious minority. There about about 15 million of us left on the planet, at .2% of the global population. About half of us live in Israel, which means that diasporic Jews kind of have to care about what's going on over there. but don't tell any DSA babies; this type of information makes them projectile vomit while spewing excerpts from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the original Russian and shotgunning beer with Rama Duwaji.
Archaeological, textual, and genetic studies indicate that this ethno-religious group originated in the Central Judean hill country, near present day Jerusalem. Over centuries those early Israelite tribes merged with surrounding Canaanite groups, and slowly developed hegemony over the Southern Levant, as well as--by the 6th century BCE--a form of monotheism.
Now the Levant is a very valuable piece of land as it connects Western Asia to Europe and Northern Africa via the Med, so empires have always wanted it; the Egyptian and Hittite Empires were fighting over it before the Israelites rose as a distinctive group, and the cosmological documents of the Jewish people demonstrate successive empires attempting to capture that piece of land. But when empires do that, they're not like, super enthusiastic about letting the indigenous populations stay, so boom diaspora. this would happen multiple times before Joshua of Nazareth rolled up to yell at the temple Boomers.
So, diaspora. We diasporad out to surrounding empires. Now, ancient governments are a lot like modern governments, in that conformity of ideology and belief are important to maintain official control of the populace. Jews got this memo pretty earlier and many of us preferred not to die, so we assimilated as a means of survival, while maintaining our ethno-religious identity. but, that's never enough. because while maintaining our religion, its laws, its Textual Stuff, we're still believing differently than the majority. Not only that, but we're believing differently in concert with one another over political lines.
So now we're challenging to authority, and untrustworthy. those dynamics showed up VERY early in the game. you know the Purim holiday? That holiday is about a piece of historical fiction written Before Christ about how our insistence in maintaining our culture and beliefs in diaspora WHILE assimilating threatens those in power. and then those in power decide to do a genocide, and sometimes don't if we're hot enough.
the enduring ties between far flung diasporic communities, and our insistence upon maintaining our ethnoreligious beliefs, practices, and culture is a threat to any government which relies on ideological homogeneity. which, most governments still do. but, when a ruler says that they are descended from gods, or are a god, or were appointed by god/the grace thereof, or are protected by god, or whatever, our desire to keep doing our own thing is dangerous and unholy. and we keep existing beyond and across political borders while doing it.
this makes some people jumpy. including yourself. but we keep doing it: assimilating, while maintaining our shit and transnational cultural ties. that makes people jumpier. because after all the millennia of expulsions and ethnic cleansings and genocides and lynch mobs shouldn't we have stopped by now? but we haven't, so that must mean we cant be trusted? or maybe we made a pact with satan?
there's your anthropological response. i haven't had my breakfast or caffeine yet and my period just rolled up two weeks fucking early and i have a million things on my to do list and my insurance has decided that my chronic migraines aren't bad enough to keep supplying me with goddamn nurtec, so it's a bit less polished and edited multiple times than my usual responses of this nature.
In my haste to post the greatest paragraph ever written + my anthropological assessment of this question, I neglected to discuss race.
Understanding race as pure colorism can’t be applied to Jews. With Jews, it’s old-world style. It’s about blood. In the fifteenth century some Spanish priests spoke about Conversos, implying that they can never be trusted because the betrayal and murder of Christ lives on in our blood. And that’s a really spot-on assessment of anti-Semitism: it’s about a set of inherent characteristics which override and transcend skin color.
If you’ve watched short form vids where a non-Jewish creator of any skin color is discussing Holocaust history or issues regarding contemporary anti-Semitism, you will always see comments along the lines of “how much are they paying you bro?” Because that base sentiment that Jews cannot be trusted transcends time and place. It transcends modernity. It transcends contemporary understandings of monotheism.
To be a Jew is to reveal oneself as an Other, who belongs nowhere, and leaves financial carnage wherever they go; who are loyal to one but each other, and who can never be understood as full citizens of any polity. Except their own. But they will never be allowed to have their own (not a commentary on I/P specifically). The Nazis knew that this was about blood and ancestry. The scary inquisition Catholics did too.
And at the edges of this question, I can see the thought forming: “what is so enduringly wrong with you people that everyone hates you?” And the answer is that we keep refusing to fully assimilate while forming our own state-within-a-state structures for transnational survival because we know the state will eventually abandon us. And that’s unacceptable to the non-Jews we live beside. It’s scary. It marks us as enduringly unworthy of trust. And the cycle goes on.
IMO there's an aspect of "Jews as pressure release valve" that cultures are just used to which is what made the USA relatively unique historically. People tried that on larger scales and until recently it just didn't stick on a European or MENA level. Still bad, but like. Not that level for most of our history.
We could ALSO talk about how Limpieza de sangre is a giant building block of modern racism or we could pretend Spain never had an empire and never committed genocides and never had an unhealthy obsession with the Jews that continues unabated to this day because like most nations who fucked themselves over and everyone around them and have a shitload of trauma from things like Franco and the Catholic church, it's much easier to offload all of that onto the trusty, reliable, Blame Da Joos.
Incidentally, Hi Ireland, how's it going reckoning with your own virulent racism and complicity in empire in British military and colonial service and also those magdalene laundries and like in general the amount of damage the Catholic Church did over there in addition to the Brits.
Don’t even talk to me about Ireland. I’m sick to death of their completely fucked up appropriative obsession with I/P. Unionists aren’t just like Israelis, and Republicans are not just like Palestinians. Take down those stupid fucking flags and erase your own history and speak about own your geopolitics on your own terms. NI Catholic individuals consistently treat Jews like we were the ones shooting on Bloody Sunday and I’m sick of it.
Generally, if you have descent in a country which slaughtered millions of Africans for funsies in the 19th century or had an anti-Nazi resistance that simultaneously hated Jews, or said “no thanks stay there and die we don’t want to import a Jewish Problem” I’m not interested in what you have to say about the Jewish people. Wipe your own ass before spraypainting Swastikas on shit.
Oh, “I’m not responsible for the crimes of my ancestors?” you say? Then why the fuck am I responsible for the actions of a country I don’t live in on the other side of the planet.
And before anyone asks, I still have a menstrual migraine and I’m very fucking cranky about it.
We are very much not "basically white" in appearance.
Jews exist in every skin color (one of my conversion teachers was a Black Jew!), including yours. But except for some converts, even the lightest-skinned Jews still look ever so slightly....different. Hell, my family assimilated four generations ago and my sister and I converted back in, and guess what: our Jewish roots were literally hiding in our teeth the entire time. You can imagine my shock, having called my particular strange dentistry "the [family name] teeth" for my entire life, when I walked into a synagogue for the first time and saw a multitude of other people with my exact tooth gap and never-existed bicuspid. I look about as white as you'd think I could get and I still occasionally get people who look at me funny and then ask where I'm from.
In “Honey Cake & Latkes: Recipes from the Old World by the Auschwitz-Birkenau Survivors,” Tova Friedman writes, “My late husband’s ...
In “Honey Cake & Latkes: Recipes from the Old World by the Auschwitz-Birkenau Survivors,” Tova Friedman writes, “My late husband’s favorite food was tzimmes, but he also shared his family’s recipe for kasha varnishkes. So from the time I had my own family and had children, we always used to prepare tzimmes and varnishkes. This is the “old-fashioned” way to make it: with lots of mushrooms.”
This hearty dish is perfect for the crisp fall months.
hindu bad driver: yes I totally cut them off but have you considered the possibility that they were a douchebag in a past life so they deserve it?
buddhist bad driver: stop getting mad you are too attached to material things (your car that I rear ended)
jewish bad driver: according to this highly controversial interpretation of the melachot which five separate rabbis have told me is completely stupid, driving during Shabbat is fine as long as you ask your non jewish neighbor to turn the car on because then the engine is already on. However, using turn signals is prohibited and you can't turn headlights on or off which is why I just leave my high-beams on at all times
muslim bad driver: muslims are never required to yield the right of way to non muslims
neopagan bad driver: if we follow the teachings of the Great Earth Mother, traffic is like a flowing river. Turbulence and disorder are part of nature. "Lanes" are a product of a Christian society obsessed with rigid status and social control. You gotta just go with the flow, man. (jerks wheel and sends 2004 Subaru Outback with COEXIST bumper sticker and Etsy Dreamcatcher hanging from the rear view mirror careening across 3 lanes of traffic to make an exit)
satanist bad driver: much as great Lucifer defied god's oppressive vision of rigid order and obedience, I am treating this "stop" sign as a suggestion
pastafarian bad driver: this interchange is a sacred place. the convoluted mess of twisted, tangled ramps reflects the form of His divine noodley appendages. When I enter it I must meditate on the interchange and lose all awareness of surrounding cars.
amish bad driver: I don't need to pay attention to the road, my horses know the way home (is currently in the oncoming lane and has just run over a toddler because a leaf fell 200 yards away and spooked the horses)
cthulhu cultist bad driver: human "traffic laws" are insignificant and meaningless in the face of a bleak and uncaring universe. Ia, ia, Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Genuinely disturbing how missionary "work" is still so normal. Like I do not understand how anyone can listen to someone talk about their cutesy little Christian colonizer vacation to a deeply exploited community and not just be horrified and disgusted.
Not just normal, but lauded. Missionaries are praised for (supposedly) bringing resources and infrastructure to impoverished people without it ever being acknowledged that 1) that aid is contingent on converting and abandoning local beliefs and traditions and 2) those communities are usually only impoverished in the first place because of Christian colonialist empires.
It boggles my mind that people will talk about somebody's missionary work like it was some act of charity and self-sacrifice when it's really just going up to a bunch of people who are starving to death and telling them you'll give them some rice if they join your cult. It's 50% White Man's Burden and 50% extortion racket.
Not to mention how often that "aid" is useless to the people who are suffering.
Missionary-built houses are often made with incredibly cheap materials by people who are absolutely not qualified for that work AND they aren't designed with the cultural and social needs of the people they're for or the climate and infrastructure of the area in mind. Immediate aid like bottled water produce even more trash and pollutants that many communities are not equipped to handle. Farming methods taught often aren't designed for the area or climate and don't fully provide for the nutritional needs of the community (and then those people are demonized for poaching by Westerners who don't understand that an animal being endangered means very little when your family is starving). Even educational materials are poorly translated, Western-centric, and strictly Christian (along with often being controlled and modified by extremist, militant, and terrorist groups that control the areas).
There was an incident a while back—I believe in Afghanistan, but don't quote me—where missionaries built a school. "Great! Kids need schools!" How can you be against schools? Well....
They didn't staff the school. They didn't hire teachers. They didn't buy books or chalkboards or pencils.
The missionaries built a large building, and then just fucked off, patting themselves on the back.
No children used the school.
But the Taliban thought it was a great place to store weapons and used as a shelter.
A bunch of Christians went to a foreign country and handed over a shelter to islamist terrorists while claiming to spread the word of G_d.
In Jewish astrology, the month of Elul and the sign of Virgo are all about the grounding power of returning to our most innocent and vibrant essence. 🌿
Jewish mysticism views the symbol of the maiden as representing the relationship between our gentle innocence and the deep accountability required to heal. Just like a young fawn finding its footing in a blooming meadow, our untainted core remains completely intact, flowing like a pure wave of water waiting to wash over us. No matter how far we’ve wandered, our truest self is always brimming with life and waiting to be rediscovered.
This specific cosmic timing is all about humility and deliberate action. In our ancient traditions, it is taught that this period is perfectly designed for taking small, intentional steps to repair our relationships and cultivate profound compassion. The work we can all do this month involves tuning out the external noise, asking for sincere forgiveness, and approaching ourselves and others with a gentle kindness. The energy of Virgo is an earth sign, which brings a nurturing focus, steady growth, and the quiet strength needed for authentic healing.
Kabbalists actually view this earthly time as the exact moment the Divine leaves the distant heavens to meet us in the everyday fields. This month brings a comforting, overwhelming closeness, meaning that how we show up in our most ordinary daily routines has the power to plant the seeds for a completely revitalized existence. The gates are open, and the energy of the universe is actively supporting our return to goodness.
We don’t have to choose between protecting our delicate nature and stepping up to take responsible action. The goal of Elul is to hold both states at the same time, channeling our grace and innocence to cultivate a blossoming, beautiful new chapter from a place of pure and openhearted devotion.
I have cut people out of my life for lesser infractions than antisemitism. I would rather have no friends at all than have friends around whom I need to walk on eggshells. I have had to read one too many posts about conversations people have had with gentiles in their lives where it is patently obvious that there is no room for further dialogue and when the comments inevitably question the legitimacy of the friendship in question, the author will try to defend the indefensible because acquiescence is easier than confrontation. Understand that a friend who doesn’t respect you cannot ever truly be considered your friend. You will always be waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I get the desire to ward off loneliness by surrounding yourself with bodies, but it is well past time to find yourselves a backbone. And if the only friends who remain are Jews, then the only friends who remain are Jews.
Listen, nobody who's ever opened a history book says we didn't do that shit first. Pick an atrocity and chances are there was a time europeans did it on mass to someone for the sake of profit. The difference, is that we have for the most part put that behind us, while the US is just sinking deeper and deeper into it. We're not perfect, and we were a lot worse in the past. But it has been a while since we were the problem
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oh no, zionists have no room to vocally support romani people when palestinian domari suffer right alongside palestinians under israel's apartheid state
A preface, while both Roma and Dom people share an origin in India, their ethnicity and culture are very different and they say so themselves.
Even when they consider themselves Arab and Muslim, in Arab and/or Muslim countries, the Dom people are greatly discriminated against, trying to accommodate Arab racism by hiding their identity. In Palestinian society in particular they're at the bottom rung of the social ladder. So, really, their situation as a whole is very similar to that of the Roma in Europe.
There is a very small community of about 25-30 families in East Jerusalem that does face great hardship, I will admit. In fact, most Israelis are unaware that any live in East Jerusalem. The Israeli authorities consider them Palestinians while Palestinians shun them. The welfare department of the East Jerusalem municipality is all Arab and refuses to help, invoking all the negative stereotypes about the Roma and Dom peoples. There is a, unfortunately not recognized as official, community center in North Jerusalem that runs on donations (due to being considered unofficial it doesn't receive funding from the Israeli government) and provides meals, helps women develop work skills (the Dom society is very patriarchal so many women are refused work), helps children with homework, gives lessons in Arabic and Hebrew, etc.
The issue isn't covered well, so far, I found an article from 2021. It uses the G-word, I do not know which word Amoun Sleem, a Dom woman and the founder of the Domari Society in Jerusalem, used during the interview but it was translated as the G-word for the article. And is also the word used on the Domari Society website. I'm not Roma or Dom, so I can't confidently claim anything here, but thought it was important to at least mention.
KNI spoke to Amoun Sleem, the founder of the Domari Society in Jerusalem, a non-profit that helps the impoverished Domari people.
Instead of spreading misinformation like you (no, Israel is not an apartheid state, I won't even be entertaining this point, it has been explained and reexamined a thousand times, you can search on my blog if you genuinely want to learn more but I doubt you do), I'm going to direct people to the Domari Society as they desperately need funds.
WELCOME TO THE GYPSIES SOCIETY IN JERUSALEM
The Jewish and Roma communities, on the other hand have quite a bit of shared history, seeing as there are a lot of similarities between our cultures and histories. Roma and Jewish musicians would play together for different functions. A lot of antiziganist stereotypes are very similar to antisemitic ones. As an example, Charlie Chaplin was a Roma but people often thought he was Jewish because of his anti Nazi rhetoric but he was actually from another group with a vested anti Nazi interest. Due to a lack of resources, Roma people had to rely on Jewish institutions for support after the Porajmos (the Roma Holocaust). You can search on my blog for more, though there isn't as much as I want there to be.
too many people are under the impression that the holocaust is well known because they think it was white on white violence and not because the nazis fucking invented murder factories
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