You may call me the SpawnofEris, EldritchoftheInfinite, ShroomPawz, or any nickname following along those lines.
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This is my sideblog to post about my therianthropy and about miscverse stuff. =3
I don't really talk about either in general--since it's fairly personal, so I thought that it'd be cool if I made a sideblog dedicated to them.
My main blog is @spawnoferis
About me/Basic info below the cut!!
About Me!!:
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-I'm a minor!! (Age Range: 13-17) So, no nsfw of any kind please. The occasional suggestive joke or wtv is fine though.
-I'm black and Afro-Caribbean (I'm technically mixed, but Idrk what else ^^')
-I have (highly suspected) AuDHD (Autism + ADHD)
-I am AroAce spec, Sapphic, and genderqueer; I use she/they/he pronouns and prefer a mix of masc, femme, and gender neutral terms
-Human viv terms are fine, but feline (and draconic) vivterms are appreciated
-I am a tone tag user!! I'll try to use tone tags where necessarily and often and would appreciate if others used them for me, please.
-I associate myself with miscefolk/misceanimalis, essentita, and mystiori(yes, all apply to me)!! I believe myself to be an Alpha and my scent is petrichor.
-My therianthropy and miscverse/misceanimalis intercept/converge sometimes (espeically with things like scents, nesting/den related things, etc).
-My DMs are open!! (Especially to any mutuals.) However, I'd prefer if ppl who messaged me were no younger than 12 and no older than 22.
-This blog is meant to be casual and chill, so I'd appreciate if it was kept discourse free <- I don't think that I've entirely held true to this, sorry ^^ However, no huge discourse or drama has ever been brought up here.
My Alterhumanity
-I believe that my alterhumanity is soley psychological; I do experience a few phantom and physical shifts tho
-My only theriotype is Canada Lynx
-Dragon hearted
-Fiction Hearted (but I don't post abt it + it's with a LOT of characters)
Tag System!!!!:
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SpawnProwls = Original text posts
SpawnwithPaws = Therianthropy posts
NestingShroom = Miscverse posts
EldritchDesires = Yearning posts
EldritchDwellings = Any Paganism posts
CraftyPaws = My art, images, videos, etc
EldritchCrafting = Posts related to my Minecraft stuff =p
SpawnScreams = Shitposts/Silly Posts
EldritchintheMyceNetwork = Reblogs
PawingDaScreen = Answering Asks
Yoink! = Just me finding moodboars, flags, etc that fit me
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-Anti alterhumans
-Miscverse Antis
-Queerphobes
-Racists, Sexists, Mysoginists, Misandrists, etc
-Radfems, Terfs, Swerfs, Tirfs, etc
-Trans ID (excluding transspecies), Xenosatanists, & Rad Queer
-Pro-Contact harmful paras
-Anti-para
-Strictly Nsfw blogs (blogs that post some nsfw are fine but no nsfw interaction with me)
-Discourse Centric blogs
-Syscourse. I'm not plural, 'endo neutral' (I guess) ; idc if you're pro or anti endo just don't be mean and do NOT try to involve me in syscourse (especially if you're anti-endo. I'm iffy abt both sides but anti-endos particularly discomfort me)
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On Therianthropy, Otherkin, Zoesthesia, and the Responsibility We Have To Each Other
This post might make your brain hurt, so take your time with it. As someone who was raised in a cult, escaped, and was forced to deconstruct the origins of belief in order to stay sane and retrieve control over my life, this topic is very important to me. I also believe it is paramount to the integrity of our communities that you understand the material in this post. You may or may not agree and I don't necessarily posit that I am "correct" in my analysis; I don't really expect anything one way or the other, but I am curious what will come of it. If this community means something to you and you are willing to at least hear me out, read on.
Yesterday I met face-to-face with a researcher to discuss the "zoesthesia" term I proposed a few months ago as a potential precursor or stand-in for terms such as therianthropy and otherkin. They brought up a number of good points. It was a delight to hear the insight of someone both educated in psychology and external to the community, and about some of the future studies they're still formulating (I can't discuss that at this time).
It became clear that adoption of this term may be unlikely to aid many of the major social issues plaguing the community both here and abroad. Although it sounds like "synesthesia" - a phenomenon rarely, if ever, targeted by bad actors, zoesthesia may still be a hot topic for those who take offense to the non-conforming simply because of its nature. They did find it interesting that zoesthesia prioritizes experience over identity. Whether zoesthesia is actually adopted or not, I have no preference.
What I proposed during that meeting was a slightly more refined version of the previously proposed definition, which does not necessarily try to include every form of alterhumanity, some forms of which I've learned may be entirely unrelated. After more discussion and thought, I refined the idea further.
For a moment, as a thought experiment, I want to ask that you forget every term you know relating to this community and consider what I arrived upon:
Zoesthesia
Zoesthesia ('zo-esthesia') is the experience of sensations, perceptions, and behaviors subjectively interpreted as belonging to something incongruent to one's own biology. Interpretations and identities arising from these experiences are personal and diverse; zoesthesia can be present without interpretation, especially at early ages, but is often experienced as an embodied identity.
Individuals who experience zoesthesia have a wide spectrum of experiences, often leading to unique endeavors and forms of expression in social, artistic, literary, and professional contexts.
The experience of zoesthesia involves:
Experiences (e.g. sensations, perceptions, memories, behaviors, desires, social cues, states of consciousness, and/or involuntary urges) that are often subjectively interpreted as belonging to something other than one's own biological species,
Experiences that may vary in form and intensity, remain at a stable baseline, or become triggered by internal or external stimuli,
2. And may include any number of the following:
An identity or overarching sensation that embodies these experiences,
An understanding that one still has a human body,
Dysphoria regarding the incongruence between one's physical body and perceived embodied experience,
Dreams or trance-like states that are experienced through the lens of something incongruent to one's biology,
A strengthening or increased frequency of experiences after one becomes conscious of them,
And/or a personal interpretation of these experiences as non-human through psychological or spiritual means.
"Zoesthesia" is derived from "zoe" and "aisthesis" - Greek, literally "life perception" or "animal perception."
So why do I propose this?
Obviously, this could technically be considered as a refined definition of therianthropy and/or otherkin. It does not deny the existence of spiritual experience or belief, but in order for this to be a responsible definition informed by empiricism, it must not assert that anything we feel (whether interpreted as psychological or spiritual) is "real." This is not to say that it isn't. I find that it is much more constructive to completely avoid language that asserts beliefs as such because it is impossible to measure how "real" something is. Asserting a belief as true may demand that others believe you, which may be disrespectful and disingenuous.
If I'd like you to have a clear picture of why this proposal exists so that we can have constructive discussions, I must assume that you're entirely unfamiliar with my worldview and deconstruct its basis for you. Before we continue, I would like you to consider the following oft-misunderstood terms and thought experiments and how I use them. The way I discuss zoesthesia and the rest of what I'll say in this post hinges specifically on my understanding of these ideas. Take a breather if you need it - it's heavy.
If you would like to skip this, go to the "Current Definitions" section.
1 . Empiricism
In philosophy, empiricism is the view that all knowledge and belief is derived from firsthand experience, e.g. through the senses. This philosophy is the basis for the scientific method and the following thought experiment:
Consider that you may have already taken for granted the belief that a real person wrote this post and not just a collection of subatomic particles resembling a person. I believe it to be a fact that I wrote this because doing so is now within my memory and I believe that my memories were not placed there last Thursday. I might tell you that this is a "fact," but then you have to believe that I am a reasonably trustworthy person and that a "reasonably trustworthy person" is an inherently "real" fixture in your reality.
You also may believe or take for granted that the conversion of the letters you're reading on your device into concepts in your consciousness isn't just zeroes and ones but a complex process derived from quantum mechanics, psychology, or the amorphous idea of "the soul" that none of us can put a definitive finger on.
These beliefs are not empirically verifiable or unverifiable because we cannot physically sense the world on this scale (as far as is generally understood). Even if you use tools to measure the world on that scale, you then have to believe in the accuracy of your tools.
With this in mind, you may need to be wary of what you assert as "truth." The only thing you may truly be able to know without the need for reason is what you are currently feeling and thinking in this ever-present moment. Everything else in your head that you "know" (e.g. your memories) is made up with varying measures of belief. It is entirely possible that the past may not exist. Attempting to make judgements on that information can result in some pretty funky paradoxes, but there are ways to talk about experience without invoking belief. This is why I have structured the refined definition of zoesthesia to emphasize interpretation.
This thought experiment is a robust methodology known as methodological solipsism. If you still don't believe that any of this is valid or useful because you believe in another kind of philosophy, religion, or dogma...can you see where this is going? I cannot emphasize how important it feels to be precise in the language that we use so that we might avoid creating and promoting dogma while just trying to discuss and share our experiences.
Growing up in religion we are often taught that belief is virtue and that you must believe in one way or another. After all, taking the stance of "not believing" something is the belief that something is not. It seems like a circular dilemma on the surface and cults will often try to manipulate that intuition. I've since found that the responsible thing to do is to simply observe the moment and decline to believe in the first place. There are plenty of beliefs you can function without. The state I get into when I'm feeling particularly mental-shifted is a state in which belief and language is largely reduced or implicit, my inner dialogue is non-existent, and if I do think it tends to be in pictures. If one can exist and thrive in such a state, why don't so many of us ever leave that monologue?
2. Spirit
Often thought of as a force, being, consciousness, or presence
For the purpose of sticking to the concept of empiricism and the previous thought experiment, I would suggest that a spirit is no different from any concept that you can interact with in your head that is based in something you have observed externally or internally. It may also include any actual object or being in the external world (some would call beliefs related to this animism or panpsychism).
It is not possible to verify the "being-ness" of any particular object or animal, whether it is conscious or just a bunch of atoms playing the part. Just watch Vsauce deconstruct a chair's existence. You are free to believe that it is more than that, but that will dive us into spirituality, dogma, and paradox. I see "spirit" and "object" as synonymous with "concept."
3. Spirituality
A preoccupation with or capacity for understanding moral, existential, or metaphysical questions without the dictation of dogma.
Whatever you've experienced through your senses is something that you have come to know, and in that sense "spiritual experience" is just another way to describe firsthand experience that falls perfectly under the umbrella of empiricism. If you have the firsthand experience of going into trance and entering [what you believe to be] the astral plane, that is still received through your senses and is a part of your conscious experience. Even your mind's eye could be considered a kind of sensation. Your experiences, no matter how you see or discuss them, are inherently valid because you experienced them.
"Valid" in this context simply means that you experienced what you experienced and we are giving you the benefit of the doubt because we can't see inside your consciousness. To say something is valid is not necessarily to make the impossible assertion that your interpretation of your experiences is based in "reality." Good researchers try their best to maintain this perspective to respect everyone they study. To claim that someone else's experience is invalid is a just another belief that no one can definitively assert as truth.
4. Dogma
In religion, dogma is typically referred to as a collection of deeply held beliefs often passed down through generations. Those beliefs can seem "spiritual" in that they may have once been based in someone's firsthand experience, but this quickly leads people into a trap.
It can also be thought of as the rules, laws, and rituals you believe in. We create new rules all the time as we gain new experiences. If you're open to new experiences, you may find that it is possible to break whatever rules you've previously prescribed to existence. No law can be empirically verified as universal or eternal except maybe entropy - until even that breaks down at the event horizon of a black hole, which typically breaks our understanding of the laws of physics.
Some rituals may be useful to you, especially if they help promote or maintain your well-being. Practicing something like Tai Chi every day is a ritual that can keep your mind and body healthy. Actually practicing it and believing that it helps you (because you have, in fact, found that it does in your own experience) is entirely empirical. Believing that it will make you super lucky and start seeing synchronicities everywhere would be superstitious. Superstition is often based in dogma too.
You create your own miniature personal dogma every moment you look to the past for guidance. Even firsthand/spiritual experience can transform into a kind of dogma the moment it becomes a variable for calculating future actions. In some cases this is necessary for your survival. It can also become overblown and lead to things like depression and anxiety, especially in the form of trauma and limiting beliefs. Trauma can become a form of dogma, too - if it changes the way you live and behave.
Finally, dogma is often the result of:
5. Heuristic Processing
To put it simply, heuristic processing means that your brain makes judgement calls based on limited information. You flop three dates in a row with potential partners you were interested in and your brain wants to jump to generalizations like "Maybe I'm just an unlovable person, I'm ugly, I'll always be lonely, etc." And then bam, 6 months down the line your life is agony and you've done nothing to actually improve your odds of connecting with somebody, reinforcing your confirmation bias (also what I would consider to be an element of dogma) that you're just not cut out for love. And so the downward spiral goes. It is so tempting to do this - heuristic processing is the primary mode of the brain, after all. Years of reinforcement only makes the resulting neural pathways stronger and harder to move on from. This is especially apparent with addictions like alcoholism, which literally alters the structure of the brain over time.
Everyone is guilty of this. It can useful because analyzing every single point of data would be absolutely debilitating, but it is a double-edged sword I believe you should be aware of. Look for it and you will find it everywhere.
These ideas, and perhaps relativism, are some of the pillars of my worldview and understanding of the thing we call reality. It's not an exhaustive list, but was wholly necessary for me to break things down this way so that I could purge myself of the dogma of the cult I was raised in. I'm not necessarily suggesting that you should subscribe to these ideas, but now you should be able to see where I'm coming from.
Now that these things are defined, I can get to the point!
The Problem
I'd like you to take a look at the following definitions and see if you can spot the problems:
If you don't see it, I'll explain in a moment. In response to the initial zoesthesia discussions, TG also published their own "Definitive Stance" in the forums, which suffers from the same problem. The definition above remains on the main site. This is the new one:
Wikipedia's page on "Therian subculture" (there isn't one for therianthropy itself) primarily focuses on identity, but at least mentions "the broader lived experience of therians":
Therianthropy's Fandom wiki page is much closer to emphasizing the experience, if a little term-heavy and requiring the use of "therian" in the main definition:
Pluralpedia's definition...
There are countless others, but I want to focus on the first two for the moment. Both definitions for therianthropy on TG take for granted the interpretation of one's relevant experiences as "non-human" or "animal." By omission, these definitions assert that we know for a fact that there are individuals out there who are having non-human animal experiences and aren't just delusional or whatever else. But the interpretation of these experiences as non-human is belief, not an empirically tested fact. It's dogma (see point #4 above).
Some of y'all are willing to let physicists and mathematicians concede that what we call reality is inherently mathematical in some way, and yet fail to realize that mathematical proofs can't be fabricated backwards by creating the solution first. Saying that "therianthropy is the internal experience of being a non-human animal" as TG maintains is the equivalent of creating a "true" statement and then forming a hypothesis that might make it seem true. At that point, you may as well be practicing Biblical numerology or quack science.
In the early years of the community, members came up with the generally accepted terms and definitions for their experiences long before we had any evidence for what was actually going on underneath the hood - as a stand-in for what we hoped we would know in the future. But they ossified until they became writ in stone. We still do not have evidence to say with certainty that we are experiencing actual non-human sensations or something entirely different.
Over years of certain members policing labels and experiences as if this were some kind of cult, there remains an ache for feelings of legitimacy in the community. Many feel like if they aren't "committed" enough to their identity, their experiences won't be seen as real and they won't get to be a part of the club. Based on most of the available definitions for therianthropy, identity is implied as a necessary component when identity arises from interpretation. Is it not plausible that one might experience what we might all consider a "mental shift" and think nothing of it or simply not be able to put a finger on what it was?
There are those who want to put forth the idea that certain sensations, behaviors, or lack thereof are concrete proof that one is or isn't a particular animal. This itches at the incredibly human fear of social exclusion, especially in kids just trying to make sense of themselves. These definitions inherently promote these attitudes by not emphasizing the fact that all of this is based on interpretation to begin with. This isn't an exact science and may never be. As much as one may desire for their experiences and identity to be perceived as legitimate by their peers, there is no empirical way to do this except to say that your experiences are valid because they're yours. Gatekeeping legitimacy turns the therian community into a kind of cult that encourages members to preen their experiences and limit their interpretations of them to a prescribed box.
This is not leading in a positive direction.
According to Therian Guide, we don't just have "therianthropy." We have suntherian, contherian, non-shifting therian, standard therian, polytherian, cladotherian, shifting, aura shifting, bi-location shifting, phantom shifting, dream shifting, astral shifting, and a whole slew of other terms. From an outside observer looking in, this makes it look like a cult. Point #1.1 in the definition of zoesthesia eliminates the need for this obtuseness entirely, reducing the need to use seemingly woo-woo terms like aura shifting, astral shifting, bi-location shifting, and more. I don't believe that these extra terms need to be publicized as part of an official definition, but instead as a historic note. Obviously I can't advocate for the outright removal of these terms and microlabels from the community's lexicon (this likely isn't even possible), but this all looks wildly disorganized.
Many of the other definitions on other sites (not all can be pictured here) emphasize either identity or a combination of experience and identity. Every site is different and some are better than others. Several have 5+ terms within the first couple paragraphs.
Zoesthesia's definition contains one novel term: zoesthesia.
Something I recently realized was that the younger alterhuman community is the only one I can think of that coins new terms every week to describe their own flavor of experiences. I feel that there must be some deeper commonalities that people are trying to get at. I believe that my proposal of zoesthesia may alleviate some of those efforts. If we could iron this out, it may allow us to focus more on what matters: sharing in our experiences and connecting with each other.
I also believe that potential authority figures such as Therian Guide, as well as general members of the community at large, have a responsibility to avoid the promotion of magical thinking. By not educating people about the fact that the "non-human animal experience" is an interpretation of one's experiences as "non-human" rather than an undeniable fact of existence clearly within the definition of therianthropy, magical thinking is encouraged. Anything and everything can become a cult when this responsibility is ignored. I bring this to everyone's attention out of concern more than anything. I was raised in a cult, which the new owner of TG herself rescued me from and helped me process. I can only hope that this responsibility is understood, for the sake of the integrity of the community.
I am requesting that this proposal be formally considered and debated amongst yourselves so that a decision can be made regarding how to proceed. I believe the threat of these communities becoming cult-like began long ago, and I think it is damaging the community as a whole. While many in the community may be more "spiritually minded" and think that means that the scientific method is irrelevant to their experiences, I think it behooves everyone to approach these topics with a dose of neutrality, curiosity, and empiricism.
Since drafting this post and sharing parts of it on TG, I've been told that I'm just "overly sensitive to cults" because of the horrible things I went through. I've been assured that their community is much healthier now because of the large monthly influx of new members. I've been told that empiricism is a form of gatekeeping and that therianthropy does not need to be seen as "valid" by science.
This attitude isn't strictly a TG problem, but we do have a problem.
I understand people's distrust of modern science and psychiatry. Yes, it moves slowly, its history has been riddled with injustice and corruption, and we have a dysfunctional medical and pharmaceutical industry that we don't want involved in potentially purging us of our experiences. I want it to be crystal clear that I do not condone corruption, injustice, or systemic racism. But empiricism isn't about gatekeeping at all. It's simply asking "What can we truly know based on our senses and available data?" If you assert that you know something that cannot be "known" without belief, you may be wishful thinking or jumping the gun in an attempt to drum up feelings of legimitacy. Everyone has a right to do this, but if you speak as an authority in a way that makes a held belief seem like fact, you aren't far from exhibiting cult-like behaviors.
Most of you have never physically stood in a room with 50 other people telling you that you're the one who's wrong because the status quo was more important for them to maintain. Where the illusions of the cult were more important to maintain.
I am wary of cults, but more importantly, I am highly perceptive of the concessions people make against rationality that often lead to a state of mutually reinforced delusion. No particular group is immune to this, even if you'd like to think of your own group as wiser than humans.
It goes deeper than that too. I have had to refine the way that I speak because I used to speak in very non-constructive ways, and it felt like people hated me for it. Because I "spoke my mind." Because I was "honest and direct." In truth, I was hasty and felt that backing up my hastily chosen words with more words was the best course of action. It never ended well and I didn't understand why. Now I do.
I could've simply crawled back into my ego and said, "They'll never understand me, I'm just a pariah." When I was younger, that is what I did.
Now I recognize that everyone is constantly creating dogma for themselves - often in the form of limiting beliefs. People say things like "I'm good for nothing" or "That's just how the world works." They give up their power and their capacity for rational thought simply because something happened a certain way a few times. Even if it's happened a thousand times, that's no excuse to close your eyes to what's before you. We have a responsibility to ourselves and each other not to shoot ourselves in the foot for no good reason.
I've actively tried to fight heuristic processing on and off for the past decade. For my whole life, a lot of folks have said, "Just chill out man, you're trying too hard." And for my whole life I've watched my peers undergo spiritual and intellectual atrophy.
If I do not strive for some level of precision in my speech, to question belief and consider intellectually the logic behind what I have to say…if I let that responsibility go and let the world burn, the world I wish to see will never come to be. I personally know more or less 5-10 people who would ever care about this as much as I do. Maybe life would be easier if I did let go, but I can't unsee what I have seen. I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
Understanding the need for empirically vetted definitions and empirically minded thought has nothing to do with giving therianthropy/otherkin/etc. a scientific "stamp of approval." Instead, this is about being responsible about what you can assert as truth and what you must clarify as personally held belief. The alternative leads down a long road to authoritarianism and cult-like behaviors. Our society has a critical lack of understanding when it comes to these things and it shows. It shows on nearly every level of human society - politics, finance, religion, the whole nine yards. If humans go extinct or our societies descend into seemingly inescapable fascism, I would wager that it will have been this lack of understanding that did it. Science is necessary and it's why you're not going to die before the age of 40 in the year of our lord 2026.
The problem I've detailed may not seem important and it may even seem pedantic, but understanding this subject or not may mean the difference between maintaining the cult-like aspects of the therian community we all know and hate or nurturing healthy discussion in a thriving, positive community. If you are able to see the nuance, please advocate for this. No one else will do it for us.
Can't say I have an opinion on adopting the term one way or the other. I think that's mostly from what you pointed out, the terminology bloat. Every week there's another word for something you know was defined by someone else a month ago, on repeat.
The way you've described what it is, and the experiences… I like that. I think regardless of the label, describing it like you have is valuable. Shift focus to the experiences, the life itself.
"Growing up in religion we are often taught that belief is virtue and that you must believe in one way or another. After all, taking the stance of "not believing" something is the belief that something is not. It seems like a circular dilemma on the surface and cults will often try to manipulate that intuition. I've since found that the responsible thing to do is to simply observe the moment and decline to believe in the first place."
I like this bit, as it gets at a fundamental misunderstanding people have about atheism. Even other atheists get this wrong more often than not. It isn't "I believe god doesn't exist" as that implies we have evidence; it is "I am unconvinced that any god exists", because there really is no evidence. The distinction does matter. To claim to be rational means you have to logically analyze what's available to you, and the logical conclusion I come to is that there's nothing behind the curtain. Until and unless I see that there is, I just don't care about the curtain at all. Life is easier, in my opinion, without the need to believe in anything. Belief in things I can't verify mostly gives me headaches these days. Or at best, something nice to fall asleep thinking about. I/we used to need it though, so I get it, but that understanding also makes me impatient with it because I know how it holds people back.
I'm not as plugged in as I used to be, but I don't know how cultish things are lately. Ever since the physical shifting/zoanthropy stuff took off, I've gotten even more distant. It's hard not to see patterns and stay quiet all the time, so it's easier to just be absent.
"I also believe that potential authority figures such as Therian Guide, as well as general members of the community at large, have a responsibility to avoid the promotion of magical thinking. By not educating people about the fact that the "non-human animal experience" is an interpretation of one's experiences as "non-human" rather than an undeniable fact of existence clearly within the definition of therianthropy, magical thinking is encouraged."
But then you come out swinging with this one and I have to sigh, because we've been thinking this for a while, but it's one of those perspectives that (usually) ends in the audience writing you off as some stubborn greymuzzle or whatever. Black and white thinking makes my scales itch.
That's a lot of words for me to say "Yeah", basically, but I appreciate the novelty of going into this tag and getting to think critically.
I'll have to reread this a few times to form a coherent perspective on it (something that's unlikely to happen considering the reading funk I've been in lately - I haven't been able to finish a physical book for a year). But my first immediate thought is a question: How is the therian community's interpretation of internal experiences as nonhuman different from the trans community's interpretation of internal experiences as gender incongruent? Should we treat the two communities with the same type of empiricism, and would it be beneficial to do so? Sorry if that's a redundant question; my reading comprehension is not as good as it used to be.
"Even other atheists get this wrong more often than not."
Yes. A lot of Christian apologists attempt to fight the "atheist" belief that God does not exist when actual atheists don't even believe that he doesn't. Atheism is not the belief that deities do not exist - it is defined as the absence of belief in them. The distinction is super important. The confusion often comes from these cults trying to flip the narrative. Interestingly enough, every apologist I've ever known ended up becoming atheist or pagan themselves.
"But then you come out swinging with this one and I have to sigh, because we've been thinking this for a while, but it's one of those perspectives that (usually) ends in the audience writing you off as some stubborn greymuzzle or whatever."
I'm only 29! Not even 30 yet! Don't..........don't even........XD
"How is the therian community's interpretation of internal experiences as nonhuman different from the trans community's interpretation of internal experiences as gender incongruent? Should we treat the two communities with the same type of empiricism, and would it be beneficial to do so?"
I am not sure I'm well enough versed in the trans community's interpretations of their experiences. I'm sure there will be nuance with each different segment of LGBTQIA+. I do believe we should approach the way we define things with an empirical attitude.
Let's take xenogender for example. Someone suggested that this post was veering towards "anti-xenogender ideology" - so I had to learn what xenogender was. Xenogender's official definition as "a gender that can't be contained within human concepts of gender" bothers me a lot.
Gender has been defined by humans to include any combination of things such as identity, social roles, expression, presentation, and more. To say your gender is "not within the human concept of gender" is to say that it is not gender and instead something entirely different, because the human concept of gender IS what we know of as "gender." If one is saying that they are windgendered (a defined xenogender) because they identify as the wind or feel empathetic towards their own personal concept of it, that is by definition not outside the human concept of gender (because it is an identity, and identity is part of gender) and therefore not "xenogender." That is not to say that "windgender" is invalid, but that "xenogender" is nothing related to gender at all, and may in fact be nothing in the first place. This is more of a linguistic debacle than anything because the definition of xenogender inherently negates itself. Its definition on this website would be linguistically sound if they were to simply change that first line about it being outside the human concept of gender to instead say that it is outside the gender binary. I am making an edit to this there, hopefully they understand.
I don't blame anyone for not thinking well-enough through however they want to define what they experience. The post on zoesthesia took me 14+ hours to write, 4 months of turning it around in my head, and discussions with researchers and community members to refine it in a potentially constructive way. It is extremely difficult to bridge the explanatory gap, so it is often good to take analysis of such things with a slow and methodical approach and with insight from others.
Something I fear would happen in the community if this term was accepted is alienation. I fear some creatures experiences would be ignored if they didn't adhere close enough to this definition of zoesthesia, which would lead to some feeling incredibly alone in their experience. I already see things like that happening in the community on TikTok and YouTube because of how narrow their definition of therianthropy has become. I would like to see studies about alterhumanity, but i'd want them to be inclusive, not selective.
Experiencing therianthropy offline is key for when you talk about your experiences online.
Part of what makes identifying as a non-human creature so wonderful is the diversity of experiences that others bring into the community.
Being a cat doesn’t look the same for every cat, for example. It’s easy to get swept up in trending songs that a popular cat therian is doing, but you aren’t required to participate as a cat yourself. Some cats don’t like fish, some cats work grueling full-time jobs, some cats identify as a cat and leave it as that.
The most powerful someone can be is at their most authentic self, and social media is a harsh landscape for being authentic. Success in numbers is a give and take - to be widely liked is to be a figure that can do no wrong, that can make everyone smile.
So don’t become taxidermy! Become alive, frothing at the mouth, let your fur be matted, let your eyes shine. Become imperfect, for the land only asks of you to live.
Hello hi I think the alterhuman community needs to be more radically environmentalist! I think all alterhumans should look into environmentalism and stuff like Solarpunk. It’s something I wish I saw more discussion of in the community. Many [ though not all ] of us claim relation and connection to our Earth and the environment. I DONT know why we as a community are not more radically environmentalist.
I’d unironically be happy to share resources abt this kinda stuff to anyone interested
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You're not any less of an alter/nonhuman for being disabled.
★ Your kintype doesn't have your disability in canon? Doesn't matter, that's you anyways.
★ Your theriotype usually climbs / swims / runs / flies but you're not able to? You're still your type regardless.
★ Does your kintype experience the world through a sense (sight, smell, touch) that you aren't able to? You. Are. Still. Valid.
★ You're kintype is usually energetic, but you have a lack of energy / have trouble with movement/chores/something that requieres energy for any reason? Completely okay
★ Do you ever feel like your disability makes you less valid as an alter/nonhuman? That's a normal feeling to have, but I assure you you're valid
★ Do you feel more validated or confident in your alter/nonhuman identity because of your disability? That's super valid too!!
★ Are your disability and alter/nonhumanity related in any way? Awesome!! <3
★ You are not any less alter/nonhuman for being disabled
hello everycreature! the first episode of the den of the wolf will be introducing myself and talking about what alterhumanity means and the basics of the most common terms later episodes will dive deeper into.
Wolves: you were incarnated here in human form to save your kind. The earth is dying. The wolves have no place to go. Whether you're reblogging articles about conservation or making donations or recycling or writing poetry... thank you. Everything helps. No effort is too small.
As a child I was always fascinated by stories where there was a world of supernatural creatures hidden away amongst humans. Things like the game “The Wolf Among Us” or the show “Grimm”, it always enchanted me. I had a small wish that these little hidden away worlds existed, that I could join them.
And yknow, my wish came true. I get on my phone and talk with dragons and gods and strange entities. Theres a werewolf on my dash and a vampire liked my post. Were everywhere, the lady at the store is a therian. My sisters classmate is a cat, another is a fox. My mother is a fairy.
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Hey unfortunately the coiner of cirnatura is a good friend of the coiner of misceverse. You don’t have to answer this ask publicly as it’ll likely start drama but I just wanted you to know if you are not in support of misceverse then cirnatura should probably be avoided for the very same reasons with similar questionable moral behaviors and standings as the coiner of misceverse.
I don't know anything about the coiner of misceverse. And it's not like I don't support the term or anything, or have issues with the coiner. I just personally don't use or like the term because it's so easily conflated with fiction.
Any *drama or controversy surrounding the term or its coiner is something completely foreign to me and, quite frankly, I don't think it's something I should engage with. At least not at the moment due to my current mental space.
I simply talked about cirnatura as it was a term brought to my attention and thought it could be useful to share. If you personally have issues with either terms or their coiners, that's fine. But, I don't wish to make much of a deal out of this.
(*The only thing I know about is a, now resolved(?), conflict about the coiner of misceanimalis' thoughts on the term and how their term (the misce prefix) is used. But that's about it.)
Apologies for ranting, I just want to be entirely clear on this ^^'
For those who don't know and/or don't want to check the post, I'm basically trying to coin a miscefolk/misceanimalis adjacent term for alterhumans, nonhumans, and clinical zoanthropes, etc alike.
The term is not meant to replace any existing terms; just to exist alongside them and to be an umbrella term for all alterhumans, nonhumans, etc that implement Omegaverse into any part of their lifestyles and/or identities.
I've yet to come up with a final term, however, I have come up with a few ideas (if anyone wants to see them, I may be comfortable with sharing).
I have received some suggestions and things of the like, so I thought I should share/highlight them for anyone who'd be interested.
1.)There is the non-exclusive term: Cirnatura [Link] by @rabidbatboy (apologies if you're not comfortable with being tagged; please let me know if you'd like the tag to be removed).
The term is a general term for anyone who implements Omegaverse into their identity or lifestyle.
2.)Someone had suggested numerous terms to me. However, as they reached out to me via direct message, I'm moving under the assumption that they wish to remain anonymous. So, I won't be tagging or crediting them by name. (If you're seeing this and would like to be credited, please let me know.)
But they'd suggested the following terms:
-Fera (Latin for Wild) + Cor (Latin for Heart) = Feracor
-Silva (Latin meaning Inhabitant of woodland or forest + Pedes (Latin for walker) = Silvades
-Silva (Latin meaning Inhabitant of woodland or forest + Natus (Latin meaning Formed by nature) = Silvanatus
This is, as I'd said before, my first time coining a term. And, honestly, it's been kind of fun.
I like putting together different words/roots and their meanings to create all new terms/words and meanings!
I've noticed that many terms are coined with Latin words/roots. However, since Omegaverse and it's terms do originate from Greek, I've been trying to coin a term with Greek roots and words instead! (Or even a term with a mix of Latin and Greek if that'd make any sense.)
I feel like I'm getting close to narrowing down my options and I'm very excited to finally come up with the final term and to create flag(s) and symbol(s) for it and the community around it. =)
[Of course, I'm going to sort of 'soft launch' the term and symbols for criticism and input from the community.]
[Note for tags: I neither like nor use the term misceverse and am only using the tags for reach and relevance.]
People seriously underestimate the long term effects of constant loneliness
"why are you so weird?" Idk, maybe because being completely isolated while growing up has destroyed my brain and now I'm nothing more than a human-mimicking creature that bases all of my actions on what I think is normal human behavior rather than just doing things naturally
Alterhumanity caused by psychosis is as valid as alterhumanity of any other origins. Experiencing psychosis doesn't make one's identity any less real. Alterhumans who experience psychosis are a part of alterhuman community.
CIRNATURA: a term for individuals who implement the fictional trope of the omegaverse, be that the dynamics, habits, behaviours etc, into their identity and lifestyle
circum (round) + natura (nature). like the natural cycle of heats and ruts!
TERMINOLOGY
CIRNA: prefix for cirnatura related terms
CIRNAFOLK: cirnatura individuals
CIRNALUPUS: a cirnatura identity based on the original omegaverse trope which pertains to the biology of wolves
IMPORTANT INFO
- I have implemented omegaverse into my lifestyle for a long time, since I was a pre-teen. finding the miscecanis community made me feel so incredibly seen and I’m very grateful for the experience I’ve had there. however, I have a lot of current anxiety posting about my experiences with it and for the sake of avoiding any harm to anyone and myself, I’m coining cirnatura for myself and some friends. I don’t expect it will pick up like miscecanis has as a term but that’s okay, I want to make it clear this doesn’t exist to replace/recoin or stand against miscecanis in any way. I wish no ill-will to the coiner.
- anyone in the world is welcome to use cirnatura. you can be a miscecanid and also use cirnatura if you want. I don’t want my own ideologies attached to my terms and you are welcome to disagree with me on discourse and still use them. people could be cirnatura for any reason, alterhumanity plurality neurodivergency or just because whaaatever the world is your oyster
- you are also welcome to coin and make flags for cirnatura! would love to see it!!!
- omegaverse has lots of different interpretations for different people. I won’t be outlining specific definitions for alpha, beta, omega, etc as these can vary slightly from person to person. you’re welcome to ask about my own experience with it though!
- while based on a fictional trope, cirnatura is not fiction or roleplay
- you are welcome to ask me any questions about cirnatura! my inbox and heart are open
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The quality is going to look like crap (thanks, Tumblr/sarcasm) and the hair didn't quite turn out how I wanted. But I think these are good-ish ^^
Hope you like them, Prince!!