The shit is done now.

Where do you feel a Cinderella version or adaptation should start the story at in order for it to really aim at what's important to the story (moments, character dynamics and development, themes and symbols)?

Different famous adaptations have very different takes on this. The original 1950 Disney version, has some elements of some of these moments but ultimately starts with the dynamic with her step family already established. In the 2015 Disney version, it starts depicting life with her parents. Rodger's and Hammerstein's famously starts with "The prince is giving a ball", a case of the story starting with the invitation to the ball. Ever After never shows her mother, just the relationship with her father. The Ugly Stepsister starts with her meeting the step family for the first time.

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I know that you, @therapeuticfairy, prefer for the story to start with Cinderella’s early life before her mother’s death, or at least before her father’s remarriage, so that we see and feel the tragic loss, first of her parents (or at least her mother, if her father is kept alive) and then of her entire identity and life as she knew it. You’ve written that adaptations which start with Cinderella already orphaned and enslaved by her stepfamily feel as if they’re starting in the middle of the story. I definitely appreciate that viewpoint.

But at the same time, IMHO, showing the whole process of Cinderella’s reduction to servitude can be difficult. Make her give in to her stepfamily's demands too easily and she can potentially become too passive to like or root for. Yet show her receiving too much spirit-breaking abuse onscreen and it can become too disturbing for a family-friendly fairy tale. And if her father is a sympathetic character, as he usually is to at least some extent, then how can we believe he would marry the likes of the Stepmother in the first place, and if he doesn't die, how can we believe he would let his daughter be enslaved? Starting with her already in rags is the easier choice for an adaptation, because it lets the audience imagine how it all came to be.

Ultimately I feel everyone's answer depends on how they approach the Cinderella story and even what you consider the main character's journey to be. If it's more about character development, you'll definitely want the story to start earlier, seeing her relationship with her parents and how they relationship with the step family is built. If it's more of a romance, you'll probably want the beginning to already be established and instead make more time for interactions with the prince. If your approach is more cinematic and about the visuals, it could even start with the invitation arriving like Into the Woods or Rodger's and Hammerstein's. I also like the approach of it starting in the middle and having flashbacks to how the situation came to be like that (prime recent example is Bridgerton).

Just how long Cinderella has to live as a servant.

In some versions, like Disney's animated version, Ever After, or the 2010 Märchenperlen version, she's trapped in that situation for about ten years or so, starting in her childhood.

In others, she's already a young woman when her father remarries, and her servitude is either a few years (e.g. in the 2011 Sechs auf einen Streich version, where she mentions that it's been five years), just one or two years (e.g. in Disney's 2015 live action remake), just a few months (e.g. in The Slipper and the Rose, where her father dies in the winter and the ball takes place the following spring), or even just a few days or a few weeks at most (e.g. in the 1931 German film).

She was mistreated and abused by her wicked step family and...now she is married with a man who loves it. Does love heals all?

If we want to add a dark element here: She sees her step family get due justice... and wonders if this is justice. Does this undo anything in her past?

Again, this is not to be on "the prince is evil". It's just...how she travels life now? Her family is gone. The last family she had, if she can call as such, thought so little of her and she witnesses them being tortured and killed. Is this good?

Maybe she felt vindicated for a moment.

But it passes as she is now ...wondering.

Why she wasn't love?

A fairy loved her enough to grant a wish (Cinderella is not foolish to count on a fae's love but either way, the fairy helped her for reasons Cinderella never will know)

The prince loves her

The kingdom loves her

The royal family loves her (she is not a noble but if a fae helped you....hey, that means something?

So why her step mom hated her?

Why her step sisters hated her?

Did her father ever loved her?

It just feels like you’re picking one form of discrimination and oppression over the other.

Hi, is this about harry Potter? Bc I reblog a piece anti Harry Potter, if is not, well I'm still upset this abomination is still running ...each dime this shitty makes is used to make the live of a trans person hell. How can anyone take enjoyment out of this?

I mean, Gaiman did smth awful but you can enjoy his previous books bc the money wasn't being used to fund "I want to kill minorities".

You can see Caroline and know this movie is not the reason a trans woman or trans man is worrying.

You can read any book of Lovecraft and know 1) he is dead 2) he didn't used his money to kill minorities.

You can reqd a book about "I love my wife" written by the guy "I so cheated on my wife for ages" bc hardly the book is funding "hm, let's make cheating legal"

Terf queen is an exception. Nothing more or less.

"But Harry Potter is my childhood" so? You are a grow ass man/woman! Harry Potter is not even good as a main character or story in general. Go read other books, others medias...your nostalgia trip won't make you younger, only more pathetic.

Harry Potter is being used to hunt and kill trans. It is totally not worthy even make jokes on social media wig Harry Potter. Let it die.

As for the question.

I think many people who reblog this "you can't like this media is problematic" are usually the ones who want to come across as better than you: example

The game of "The coffin of Andy and Leyley" it has incest, it has cannibalism...it has many others elements.

What the antis focus?

"ewww incest"

"Well, incest is gross" the point is not that. It would be fine if the game had all the elements but incest. They complain just about this part...and can't do any argument about the game without "ewww incest"

It makes me think of the YouTubers who read books in their channel and do review and how they can't be professional. "Ewww incest" bitch, you are reading the damn book no one is forcing you to do it, that is on you.

Listen: the media could have the most abusive man you know but if he is hot ...you will have people defending. See the case of the book "The haunting of Adeline"

If you ship something the purity gang doesn't deem as good...it's ok to sent hate messages or accuse the other of horrible stuffs bc, check notes, you are making fictional characters kiss or fuck.

Media literacy is dead.

No one wants to engage in the media, even in the problematic ones, to reach any ideas or conclusions.

so many people write deku off as a pushover or a crybaby but he is consistently physically and mentally strong throughout the entire series

i cannot imagine going through what he has gone through and STILL being optimistic and self sacrificing

a lot of people defend his crying with “if i were in his position i’d cry too”, and while i agree, i also want more people to recognize that by crying so openly, deku also pushes back against toxic masculinity and the unrealistic masculine portrayals of limelight heroes like all might and endeavor

deku humanized himself for the time he was a hero BUT BACK TO THE “destroy you did” LINE omfg

that interaction with tenko i think perfectly framed izuku’s growth from the start of the show to now

izuku was so gracious to tenko during the final seasons and as tenko was dying, izuku still validated him through that line, despite his negative feelings towards tenko’s philosophy

izuku reassured tenko that tenko DID succeed in what he wanted, and i think that despite tenko’s crimes, izuku does love him

anyways yeah i love izuku i love tenko

Wouldn't it be cool if you were cute enough to change the genre? This was supposed to be a horror game! Random death. Religious fervor. Standard stuff, but the saintess is just too pretty! Men under vows of chastity can't resist her, and the most powerful villain of them all has abandoned his position just to be her neighbor. To stalk her. How cute!

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