Dispatches from the Middle Circle

First Art Fight attack for @robertoadder8-blog! I loved the silly detail of Pizzaman having toppings stored in his shins, so I had to draw him with my gal Pizzawoman.

The Milky Way from Yosemite Valley

Yosemite National Park

@nightbringer24 why did you turn off reblogs again?

Yes, every single reason behind it can be linked back to how slavery affected other things, but that fact doesn't make it the cause, it makes it a cause.

The point of my retort was to say Slavery wasn't the only cause, saying that is reductive, and you are also reactive viscerally to this discussion.

I went back and saw the post, and yes, they were trying to goad you to respond viscerally by being provocative.

I don't care about the other people, those are people who either I have blocked, or have blocked me, they aren't even right wing, they are Anarchist and Fascist larpers.

There's really no objective discussion to be had when virtually every single aspect of the lead up to the Civil War links back to slavery in some shape or form. It's impossible to disconnect the one from the other.

The Confederacy IMPLICITLY started the war with the protection of slavery as a goal and an aim (anyone asking, they are slightly different), their own documents of Confederation say it, and their vice president said it. Texas, Georgia, Mississippi and South Carolina explicitly said so in their declarations of secession.

Again: was their wider and broader issues that triggered the war? Yes. Were they linked to slavery in some form because that was ALL the South had going for it and they refused to accept anything else because they want to keep black people as chattel slaves? Also yes.

Confederate States lacked the populations that were needed to transition to industrial economies, so their economies relied on Slavery, they have no issue with a slow transition, the issue came when they were demanded to shift their economies rapidly.

Northerners held vastly different views on how quickly slavery should end.

Dedicated abolitionists demanded immediate and uncompensated emancipation.

However, Abraham Lincoln and the Republican Party favored a gradual approach, initially only seeking to halt its expansion into new territories to slowly it, and gradually phase slavery out over decades.

The abolitionist approach would plunge the South into economic ruin, and widespread impoverishment.

Lincoln's desired approach would have shifted the South to the North's economic model, allowing the Southern States to adjust, but there was conflict between abolitionists and Southerners.

Rising tensions caused by both sides, armed conflict, rigged elections, and so on, because one side couldn't wait, which forced Lincoln's hand as conflicts escalated and spread.

No one is disconnecting the Civil war from slavery, I'm stating it wasn't the only cause, just a cause, which is purported in popular education as the only cause, which is reductive.

My god, you're saying a war between two state powers where one practiced slavery, and the other abolished it can be reduced to a simple moral argument? Wow.

That's again, reductive, whittling each point down to "but slavery," takes away from the concerns of the people who fought in the war, both sides saw the widespread election rigging, economic instability, ideological fracturing, rejection of decorum.

Only the extremes on both sides reduced it to just slavery, as you do now, which mind you, did not make up the majority opinions on either side, but it never takes a majority to raise tensions.

You don't have to respect the Confederacy to be truthful about history, you simply need to be an adult about the subject.

Here, I can say something moral about slavery, when it was first practiced in Mesopotamia, it was created as a progressive alternative to slaughtering the conquered peoples, because Genocide is more morally abhorrent than servitude.

I'm saying that it isn't, as the election interference, and economic instability factors were of equal importance to it, while slavery was important to only those who were in power in the South, not the majority of the people who fought.

The central driving force behind Lincoln pushing to dismantle the institution wasn't that he found it to be morally abhorrent, his faction was worried that the South had disproportionate voting power, due to the 3/5ths compromise, which many in the north shared a concern over.

Yeah, sure, you can make me look like a weepy liberal when I consider chattel slavery to be such a major factor to the abolishing of it being a good thing that I am prepared to disregard the discussion about it's importance (and it was the singular most important factor to it, don't even try and argue about it), because in the context of this discussion it is not going to be more complicated than that.

Because you need to take this into context. Nightbringer made a post about slavery and the civil war and he got DOG-PILED by the scum of the Earth and historical revisionists trying to down-play the importance of slavery - if they were not outright racist in their argument - and he got heated.

I've already argued about it, you haven't disproven me, all you've done is feign outrage that anyone would ever acknowledge that the Civil war wasn't a cut and dry, good Vs. evil Saturday cartoon.

I have taken the information about the civil war in context, you haven't, it's why you adhere to the reductive view of the war, and I don't, because I take the context of the entire war into consideration, not just slavery.

I don't care about his post, or the losers who responded to it, as I said, they're anarchist, and fascist larpers who have no real argument other than they want to accelerate the downfall of western civilization so they can implement their failed ideological paradigms.

TFW you accidentally come up with your enemies' new theme song.

Throughout the beleaguered French nation, impromptu celebrations cropped up to mark American independence, with one American soldier remarking in a letter home dated July 8, 1917, “Whenever one sees a French flag, there is an American flag.”

“You have this embracing of Americans for what they bring and it’s a time where they begin to really identify themselves in the 20th century,” said Vogt.

But unfortunately, the embracing of American culture only went so far. Despite the doughboys best efforts, the culinary marvel that was and is a hot dog never caught on.