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Okay, so imagine you're the Dragon Reborn. Prophesied to end the world/go mad/destroy everything or possibly save everything. You have to learn everything on your own. It turns out you're adopted. Everyone around you is trying to manipulate you to their own advantage. You're being hunted by the manifestation of evil.
And right next to you, glaring nonstop, is your girlfriend's best friend who is a deadly warrior and who hisses like a goose anytime you look at another woman for one second and mocks anything you say and also won't leave you alone
Anyway, that's what's going on with Rand al'Thor in the Wastes right now.
i don’t know if anyones ever considered this (they probably have these books are older than me i’m reading my dad’s copies) but i’ve been wondering about galad being raised an aeil warrior bc tigraine went “i’ll leave my husband happily but my son is coming the fuck with me”.
because as far as we know, the only constraints were that she couldn’t tell anyone where she going and couldn’t return to andor, so if she just. never told galad where they were going and just took him with her. technically, it would be within the bounds of gitara’s fortelling.
galad as we know him would take to be being raised to follow ji’e’toh like a fish to water. one of the main things elayne has to say about him is that his honour and drive to do the right thing is almost always at the forefront of his mind, even at the expense of himself and others. it would genuinely be perfect for him. he may not have the look of the aiel but he would certainly have the conviction of one.
plus, being able to see him and rand develop a real brotherly relationship while they are both with the aiel would make his fight against demandred in tarmon gai’don — He is not here, but his brother is! — even more compelling. the siblings he didn’t grow up with need him, and he will be loyal to them to the end because not only is that how he was raised but, aeil or damodred or trakand, that is simply who he is.
furthermore a galad who didn’t have to suffer through taringail for longer than he absolutely had to would probably have a healthier childhood. janduin would have been able to have a pseudo/second?-son he would have adored. (though i doubt tigraine would have been able to directly raise galad after becoming a maiden, she would have still been in his life. he wasn’t born when she was a maiden so there would probably be some arguing but a compromise could be made i think)
post-rhuidean reveal galad would have jumped at the idea of a free first-brother and two free second-siblings. and maybe a even near-brother in mat, who would be a little freaked out but honestly has bigger problems at the minute so kind of just goes with it. galad and aviendha would have been bickering about the best ways to teach rand about aiel culture and poor rand would just be stuck in the middle of it. galad having a little sulk about the winespring brother’s shelter and not being able to go be with his baby first-brother.
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why is it always a male character going mad avenging his dead wife and never a female character cradling her dying pure of heart husband in her arms then dragging the whole world down with her
I keep forgetting that after waking up and for a loooong time after Rand is just naked...and he also decides to hold a conversation while standing naked holding the blanket to prove just how totally fine and ready for fighting he is, so every time I reread this section I get to be surprised and have fun all over again :D
Anyway-just how many outfits does Asmodean have and how? Unclear!
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there's an old anne rice interview circulating on twitter rn that i remember reading ages ago where she makes a pretty salient point about how submissive men who have bdsm fantasies etc will go to a sex worker and basically order the ala carte version of their fantasy to be performed in real life but women don't really have that same option and certainly not at the same point of availability so they read her horny books instead. and honestly that argument has been in the back of my mind every time people get on their high horses about the popularity of booktok romantasy novels or heated rivalry or whatever the "women are horny and we're upset about that" cultural property du jour is ever since. women, especially straight women, have so few outlets for their sexual desires, especially if they have a partner who doesn't share them, and i will never understand why "someone ELSE'S private sexual fantasy makes me uncomfortable and therefore they should not be allowed to engage with it, even if i am in no way being affected by it or even aware of it at all" is such a popular party line among allegedly progressive young people.
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I've been thinking about adaptations and how to write villains lately, and The Wheel of Time provides a very interesting example. While most viewers agree the show did the Forsaken better, there is something special about them in the books I want to examine. Modern conventions state that your villains need a win to feel intimidating, but the Forsaken never leave the heroes broken. So what makes their presence important?
major Wheel of Time book spoilers below
The Forsaken are some of the most powerful channelers ever born. They built monstrosities and unleashed literal evil upon the world. We are told that they did things so heinous they are nightmares 3,000 years later. With what we know of channeling back then, these crimes are easy to imagine. Plagues, torture, annihilation.
However, in the present age, most of their schemes are useless. Just about every time they go up against one of our heroes, they lose. Untrained, Rand beats the most powerful, Ishamael, three times in the first three books. The most substantial blow a Forsaken lands is Lanfear's assumed murder of Moraine (but Lanfear is killed and substantially weakened too). They do twisted things like binding people into absolute servitude, but this never happens to characters we care about nor is it something we really fear. In most instances, the Forsaken act like side quests. We went to Tear to get Be'lal, to Caemlyn to get Rahvin, and to Illian to get Sammael. Messana is just one small thread in Egwene's white tower hunts.
The worst part is that so few of them die and remain dead. Ishamael dies/is defeated in three climaxes in a row. Lanfear comes back after her 'death', and so do those forgettable two from book one that our party killed instantly. (Their names are Balthamel and Aginor but the fact that I had to look it up says something) Graendal also dies and comes back. Defeating the same enemy over and over does not increase the stakes, despite Robert Jordan's writing skill. We already know the outcome as we've seen it happen before.
The classic argument is that being displaced in the Third Age removes them from a lot of their sources of power. This makes a lot of sense in terms of world building. If 90% of modern humans were tossed into the Renaissance era, we'd be lost too. Their tools are missing and broken. Their incompetence is well justified.
It is a bit boring, though.
The show was on track to fix most of these problems. Several of the forgettable Forsaken (and their resurrections) were cut. Ishameal smiles when Rand 'defeats' him in Season 1 Episode 8, and he has dealt a major blow to Moraine. It sings of a false victory instead of a success as in the book. There are other moments that sing evil so much more than the books. Lanfear tortures Egwene with nightmares of being a damane. Moghedien steals the scene every time she shows up: the grey man scene. She also lands a powerful blow against Nyneave and Elayne. I would be surprised if there was someone who wasn't scared of (or at least creeped out by) Moggy. Every single villain had a presence in the show.
However, in the end, who stands to face Rand, who stands to challenge the Dragon Reborn during the Last Battle? Rand faces the Dark One outside the Pattern, alone. The laughable Forsaken aren't there. And it is not a battle of power. The Last Battle is a battle of choice. The Forsaken do not matter here. What they do or don't does not matter. It is the choices of the people to fight and choose the light that matters. Rand makes his choice to seal the Dark One away because of his friends' choices to fight for a better world. Rand is not thinking about what the Forsaken are or are not doing during this moment. The Forsaken are meaningless villains both meta-textually and in-world.
The show was sadly cancelled, so we shall never know it's full interpretation of the Forsaken.
tl;dr
The Forsaken in the Wheel of Time books are poorly written villains with no stakes attached. Their crimes are largely told, not shown. However, this complements the intent of the Last Battle that the Forsaken and the scale of their actions are meaningless. It is the will of people to fight and choose to fight that matters. Who they fight, the Forsaken, does not matter.
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