is there any actual normal space for people with npd? because all the ones i see are just a bunch of people being edgy and talking about how evil they are and i cannot relate
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is there any actual normal space for people with npd? because all the ones i see are just a bunch of people being edgy and talking about how evil they are and i cannot relate

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honestly i never seen an actual reason why that non-CDD plurals are harmful to pwCDDs
ive only heard the "ppl dont take us seriously" but...why is that the non-CDDs problem? why are they responsible for people in your life not taking you seriously? shouldnt you be more angry at the people fakeclaiming YOU because of what they assume?
and then you do the same things to non-CDD plurals and supporters?? not take them seriously?? fakeclaim them??
i fr dont get it anymore LOL
to me it's bc the experiences are so inherently different
if you dont have a trauma-based disorder you cannot understand my experiences. a singlet with ptsd/cptsd/etc will understand what i am experiencing more than any plural without trauma
i dont think your experiences are invalid and i do believe you deserve space and community to discuss your experiences. but the overlap in communities and terms causes confusion, as what you mean when you use a word is very different to what someone with a trauma-based disorder means when they use a word
honestly, if it was two different communities with their own separate terminology, i wouldn't care. but the way things are, two entirely different experiences have been intertwined way too much
i dont care about being taken seriously though, and if i did my issue would not be with plurals without trauma (at least not primarily, im sure there are some i'd take issue with but that can be said of any group lmao)
A system is a collection of alters. Alters are chronically dissociated self states, with different neurological pathways that often are accompanied by a varying degree of amnesia. Dissociation is caused by stress/trauma. Alters are a byproduct of dissociating from trauma. You can’t dissociate from trauma you do not have. You cannot dissociate without trauma. You cannot have alters without trauma. You cannot have a system without alters.
You cannot be a system without trauma.
Do you have to know about the trauma ? No. Does it have to be a certain type of trauma ? No. Does it need to be a certain severity ? No. It just needs to have occurred during critical developmental period of the brain. Before the ego states have stitched together, it must be chronic, and beyond the child’s stress threshold, otherwise it will not disrupt the developmental growth. This is different for everyone. The reason trauma cannot be listed as a diagnostic criteria, is because there is no “xyz trauma that causes dissociative disorders”. It’s completely unique to each person suffering from the disorder. And in often cases, the person suffering from the disorder isn’t aware of their trauma. That’s the point of the disorder. This does not mean you don’t need trauma to suffer from a dissociative disorder. Systems are byproducts of dissociative disorders, you cannot be a byproduct of a disorder you do not have.
Endos are not systems. What do I mean by this? I mean that, by definition, that term is not suited for them, and is not meant to describe them. Just like kinning doesn’t mean you’re a system, just like roleplaying doesn’t mean you’re a system, just like religious practises such as tulpamancy isn’t a system. You are perfectly free to do whatever you please, truly. But do not compare it to being a system. You do not share our experiences. You are a different community entirely, and that’s ok.
But please, for the love of god, stop invading our community, and stop spreading misinformation about an already stigmatised and misunderstood disorder.
I understand if you didn’t know better. But please, educate yourself, and stop spreading this misinformation. Being a system isn’t an identity. It’s not a label. And please, stop comparing it to being queer. This is a mental illness. Being queer is not a mental illness.
parts were so loud in therapy yesterday i couldnt talk and i just froze up and cried. it hasnt been that bad for ages. everything calmed down when i started to draw though, and it did allow me to discuss parts more overtly than i ever have before, so all in all i think it was a good thing
my therapist is really good. im lucky to have him
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Their DES score is strongly indicative of malingering, if that helps. I don't like them, their content, their support of Remy Aquarone and Pottergate, or the manipulative/parasocial way they interact with their vulnerable audience.
what's wrong with pottergate? i know nothing i'm genuinely curious

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for the record i'm neither anti-nor pro endo. my full stance is i believe they are experiencing something entirely different to did/osdd (obligatory disclaimer that some are likely amnesic for trauma, but i don't feel it's appropriate to tell strangers they have childhood trauma, so i don't tend to focus on that point)
to me it's like saying you have ptsd without trauma. it shows a misunderstanding of what ptsd is and how it functions. the flashbacks are just more complex in did, that's all
Not tryina romanticize being persecutors but also mfs got to stop saying that persecutors are all misunderstood, no. Not all of them, I know what I do and I don’t care enough to change.
Like yes. I’m problematic, plainly that.
Also I don’t say ts in “oh evil alter” way. Like. No? We just aren’t fucking perfect?? Like dude. Mentally ill systems are not gonna have all parts be nice and kind and perfect at coping even with therapy and meds.
We went through too many years of self destruction and trauma 4 that. LOL.
Hope ts doesn’t come off as edgy emo alter. I’m just ranting here since I’m not interested in pissy headmates if I say something wrong to whoever they fuckin’ talk to.
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growing up hearing “there’s no book on how to parent” and thinking that was valid vs. realizing at 18 that being a parent is much easier than made out to be if you have a normal respectful relationship with your child instead of trying to abuse them into what you want them to be
also a little funny because there are many books on how to parent
As a metaphor, I’d say being a system is like a jigsaw puzzle. Each piece of a jigsaw is one part of a whole design, with divisions between them.
Each piece is something we look at standalone, as a fraction of the picture. Half of a flower, with some green, white and yellow. In reality, if we work to complete the puzzle and conjoin these pieces, we will see they are all small parts of a full jigsaw puzzle, a vast flower field with many colors, which this ‘half of a flower’ is one part of.
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it is my opinion that the overlap of langauge is a harmful thing. while those without trauma have an experience which is valid, their experience is not comparable to did/osdd, and therefore is not included when i speak about systems. i'm sorry if my post was put on your fyp, but i tagged it with the disorder tags specifically because this was the audience it was intended to reach
nothing i say is directed towards people with experiences outside of trauma unless i say otherwise
if this bothers you, you can pretend i used a different word, or just block me. i have no interest in discourse

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i think that instead of 'you cant be a system without trauma', people would be better off explaining the current scientific understanding of how did/osdd form, and how the 'system' is inherently rooted in trauma
putting it as 'you need trauma to be a system' sounds like trauma is what gives you 'permission', like its some requirement rather than the foundation of why the condition forms
it's not that you need trauma to say you have a system. it isn't that saying you're a system without trauma is offensive or disrespectful. it's that without trauma, your brain has no reason to develop a dissociative system to function
before finding out you had a complex dissociative disorder, what did you think was going on?
for me, i didnt know what dissociation was at the time, and i thought i was running on autopilot. and as for the alternate personalities, i thought i was code switching or masking my autism.
a couple things
for my main protector part i thought she was just a roleplay muse. in the rp community iwas in people would talk about their muses as if they were external forces and i took that too literally
as for my main persecutory part, i thought i had bipolar disorder and was experiencing mania. i tried to get help for that but no one believed me bc i didnt disclose what she'd been doing
i had amnesia for amnesia for the rest and just thought i had a bad memory
if you think that you might have did, and it is at all possible for you, see a doctor.
i have seen people who thought they had did turn out to be experiencing seizures. things like brain injuries or brain tumours can also present with symptoms that you may mistake for symptoms of did. you need to rule these things out first for your own safety. a doctor can help you to see exactly what needs to be ruled out. not everything is mental health!
and even if you do have did, working on it alone increases the risk of suicide and self harm. especially if you are trying to do any form of trauma work.
your safety is more important than anything else. did is an extremely serious condition. please take it seriously
it's wild how quickly and easily people will pedojacket you for defending childrens rights. I've been called a pedophile for saying 'i treat sixteen year olds like adults.' I heard a podcast recently where the host got looks for saying 'i was playing in the pool with some kids' as if thats not an imminently normal place for both adults and kids to be.
it's also worth noting that this is intentional. the constant accusations of pedophilia and grooming are built specifically to prevent adults (and especially queer or marginalized adults) forming solidarity with kids, or from treating like anything other than things to be avoided.
im a csa survivor. most people in my life dont know this about me but its Relevant
i really, really love being around kids. people always tell me how good i am with them (largely bc i treat them as people...). i find kids the most enjoyable social group to spend time with, im very keyed into their emotional states, very concerned for their safety, etc. im also an adult
whenever i try to talk about how much i love kids to other adults ill inevitably get a joke made at my expense about sounding like a pedo, or have someone tell me to be careful saying things like that. i could ruin the night by telling them im actually a csa survivor and i love being around kids bc being able to be a safe adult for them heals something in me. i dont bc i dont rlly wanna disclose, but i find the comments extra upsetting given my history
anyway. this post just reminded me of that. it pisses me off.
tough pills to swallow: while you would know if you were faking, you would not necessarily know if you were just wrong / subconsciously exaggerating symptoms / experiencing social contagion
it is also possible to lie to yourself and be so deep in denial that you forget that you were faking in the first place
denying these things, avoiding them, and refusing to look at them won't help you. they remain facts whether you acknowledge them or not. your fear will just grow the longer you ignore it
instead, it's important to learn how to live with uncertainty
maybe you are wrong. maybe your friends are wrong. maybe i am wrong
and the world will keep on turning. you won't become a terrible person. all it would mean is that we are wrong, and we can try again to be right
you don't need to run away from your fears, but you don't need to obsess over them either
it is okay if you are wrong. it is okay if you are right. tomorrow will come either way and you will be okay

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i hate when people act like DID is just some cute quirky thing no its a debilitating mental illness that ruins so much of your life. do you have to be miserable all the time?? no!! of course not!! but stop acting like its just little friends in your head. oh my god dont get me started on "endo systems" miss me with that fucking bullshit oh my god. theres no such thing as a "sysmed" because DID isnt like gender you fucking idiots. its a disorder not a concept. endo systems arent real. moron
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