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Send me your panels of the batkids doing bad things to Bruce. Any kind of bad thing. I need the material for fic endeavours.

Preferably the entire context please 💙

~ Bruce Wayne: Murderer?/Fugitive - Bruce is going through a bad episode mentally, like he is in crisis psychologically, and he persuaded himself that Bruce Wayne is not real, only Batman. Upon stating such to the batkids, Dick is hurt because Bruce is his dad, and if Bruce doesn't exist, then who raised and loved Dick? As always with Dick, he wants the argument to continue, and when Bruce refuses to do so, Dick gets violent and hit him. He then try to have Bruce fight him, which Bruce refuses at first, escaping Dick's hits, before finally giving in and hitting back only once. The fight stops when Dick, upon trying to hit Bruce, hits Jason's memorial and breaks it.

~ Detective Comics (2016) - I forgot what was going one, but Cassandra is very emotional and suffering, Bruce is trying to be supportive (they hugged in one of the issues before). Then Shiva shows up, and Cass decides to go fight her. Bruce tries to stop her, to protect her because she isn't doing well, and Cass starts a fight, in which Bruce refuses to participate. Of course, while Bruce can dodge Dick's hits, Cass is a better fighter than him, so she kicks his ass.

I do not have the panels, but in the same comics, just a couple of issues before, Steph also fought Bruce while he refused to hit back. This happened because they were fighting a group that presents itself as the victims of Batman, and Steph finally agreed with them that Batman and vigilantes are a bad thing (ooc of Steph imo. That's the girl that got killed because she refused to stop being a vigilante).

~ The Outsiders (2003) - Dick just learned that the company that was financially supporting the team (bought the bunker they live in, pays their salaries because they have salaries, buys their equipment, without expecting anything in return) is owned by WE and so by Bruce. Mind you, he was approached to be part of the Outsiders by Roy who already had the support of this company to back them up, like Bruce didn't sneak in behind, Dick joined a team paid by Bruce without doing research on who was paying them. But instead, Dick yells at Bruce that he is a controlling asshole for using his money to support young heroes. There is also the fact that Roy admitted to receive informations from Batman, but in reality it's Deathstroke disguised as Batman, so Bruce is innocent. Anyway, I included Alfred asking them to not hit each others, because people have use it to be like "Bruce hits Dick!" when Dick is the one yelling and being ableist and rude, and the one to jump to violence when Bruce doesn't yell back. For Dick, Bruce not yelling back, aka him being mature and controlling his emotions, means Bruce doesn't have emotion (a stupid belief some other characters also have, like Oliver Queen)

I do not have the panel either, but I'm going to mention New Teen Titans, when Dick confronts Bruce about Jason's death. Bruce hits Dick, sure, but it's because Dick just blamed Bruce for Jason's death. This is deeply rude and disrespectful, so for the time period, Bruce's reaction is ok (my parents were slapped for way less, and Dick is being HELLA disrespectful to his father). Bruce is also grieving deeply, not sleeping much and fueled by a desire for vengeance. Also, like always, Bruce did tell Dick he did not want to fight, but Dick disregarded it and went into Bruce's face to get the reaction he wanted.

There is also this panel right here from Batman: The Court of Owl with Dick being a dick to Bruce.

~ Gotham Knights - While we are talking of blaming Bruce for Jason's death, here we have a flashback with Barbara doing just that at the boy's funeral. Before that, when she was still Batgirl, Bruce asked her to go on a mission with Jason because they had issues, and he wanted her opinion on how Jason was doing. She reported that he is emotional because he is a teenager. Then she commented on Bruce failing to catch the Joker, and upon Bruce feeling that it would be ok because the clown is obsessed with him and hurting him, she made a comment about how he could hurt the people around him (like Bruce doesn't know that). Anyway, she is blaming Bruce for the obsession Joker has toward him, which led to Jason's death, at the boy's funeral. In the present, she doesn't feel this way at all anymore, but still, she did it.

~ Bruce Wayne: Murderer?/Fugitive - Well, Bruce's bad mental health episode is over, and he is self-deprecating, and instead of being understanding and showing support, Barbara agrees that he is a difficult person to know, Dick and Tim not having a problem with that. (Tim being a child, I let it pass) I hate it so much, that's just ableist af to me: yeah, let's tell our mental ill friend/father figure that he is a hard person to know and love, that his illnesses made it difficult for US, like living with these illnesses isn't more difficult. Let's center our feeling over his, the person who is suffering from mental illnesses. Cass not being in the panel matters to me, because she was supporting of Bruce during this arc, not forcing herself unto him or going against him, but telling him and showing him that she was there, in his corner, and if he needed help, he could come to her (and girl was fighting Shiva! She was busy af)

~ Detective Comics (2016) - This one is complicated, because it's not really a fight, but I hate it soooo much and I have been wanting to make a post about this fucking bs. So, the context: the batfam, and especially Cass, have been working with Clayface and rehabilitating him. Following her father's advices (a man working for the US gov and who tried to kill Batman, knowing it was his nephew, and they believed had successfully killed Tim until recently, and she knew all of that), Kate kills Clayface in front of Cass, when the man loses control. Cass tore a new one in Kate, but the young woman is now deeply depressed, as SHE BELIEVES THE BATFAM WOULD KILL HER TOO IF SHE LOSES CONTROL because, like Clayface, she has a bad past. Cass sees herself as a murderer and a monster, and Bruce believing in rehabilitation and second chances is how she stays alive, it matters deeply to her. Seeing how much this hurt Cass, Bruce calls the batkids to discuss what they will do with Kate, and here starts this bs. The kids, as you can see (Damian doesn't count, he barely speaks), have the fucking audacity to tell Bruce that he is only mad because his pride was hurt, because someone didn't follow his order, and that he cannot chose who can or cannot wear HIS symbol, because she's an adult. I would have been here, I would have lost it on them. The bat symbol is BRUCE'S, it represents his mission, his hope. When he and Cass first hugged in Batgirl (2000) (different timeline, but still) and he asked her what she was loyal to, she told him that she was not loyal to David, or to Bruce, but to the symbol. Because the symbol means something, and Cass gets it, and it's why she tore it off Kate's chest after she killed Clayface. No, they do not have the right to choose if they can or cannot wear Bruce's symbol, it's his. But also, it has a meaning, and that meaning matters more than their feelings. "Because it hurts your pride" shut the fuck up, omg. And using Bruce's mother against him too, why not!

~ Batman (2016) - The situation here is special, in the sense that the kids are hurting Bruce, but it's mostly Alfred's fault. Bane is controlling Gotham in the shadow, and he revealed himself and his ally, Flashpoint Batman aka Thomas Wayne, to Bruce at the manor. Bruce immediately called for help from the whole Batfam, with a special "code red" signal (Steph ignored it because she is against vigilantism rn, Jason told the fam to tell Bruce to go fuck himself, and Dick is amnesic). However, they don't find Bane, and Alfred, who is currently forced to serve Bane, LIES TO THEM AND TELL THEM THAT BRUCE IS HAVING AN EPISODE. Alfred utilizes Bruce's mental health's history to turn his kids "against" him. So, the kids are being lied to, but it doesn't change that they are hurting Bruce by treating him as if he is "insane". Btw, because this is Tom King, Bruce hits Tim after that.

Anyway Jason! I have some things to say about Jason!

An interesting thing about Jason is that, sometimes, the way he hurts Bruce is very similar to how Joker has hurt Bruce, and I wished the comics exploited that parallel. I think the animated movie A Death in the Family did in one of its storylines, with the Joker telling Jason that he is his and Batman's son, but I have never seen the movie, only clips on youtube, so don't quote me on that.

Another thing with Jason is that anytime he does crime, anytime he kills or hurt someone or Gotham, he hurts Bruce. This is something he is conscious of, he chooses to use guns to hurt Bruce, he chooses to become a crime lord to hurt Bruce, because he told himself, when he backed down from blowing up the batmobile to kill Bruce, that he couldn't simply kill Bruce, he needed to hurt him. This is told to us in both Under The Red Hood and Lost Days.

~ Batman: Hush - When people talks about Hush, they mostly talk about Jason hurting Tim, but Jason isn't hurting Tim to get at the boy, he is hurting Tim to hurt Bruce. He doesn't give a fuck about Tim there, it's only about Bruce. (Just like Joker) He is threatening to kill Tim because it would hurt Bruce. This is well shown by how Jason only looks at Bruce during the whole thing, not at Tim or even at Selina who uses it to attack to free Tim. And Tim may have a father back home, but Bruce is literally called his dad too earlier in the comic, so Jason is threatening to kill his son to punish Bruce for "failing" him. I also included the fight after because Bruce doesn't fight back with his full strength, as Jason points out and screams at Bruce to fight him (just like Dick does) while Jason is not holding back. We saw before that Bruce holds back when his kids fight him, staying on the defense and not attacking, and here, Bruce has to convince himself that it is not really Jason to fight back. We don't know when Clayface and Jason switched place in that fight, but I don’t believe Jason did not give Clayface directives on what to say and do to Bruce, so even if it's Calyface, it is still Jason hurting Bruce. Also, the "one punch" Jason is talking about wasn't a punch, Bruce tackled him when Selina freed Tim to create distance between the two of them.

~ Green Arrow: Seeing Red - Like I said, Jason likes to hurt Bruce indirectly. He knows that his actions, even if they don't target Bruce, will hurt his father and he's all for it. Here, Bruce tells us and Oliver that Jason is hurting Oliver and Mia, and making them go through a mirror to what Bruce and him went through in Ethiopia, because he is punishing Bruce for stopping Jason from smuggling weapons into Gotham. But also, and this one is important, for "bringing others in their conflict", which is a thing Joker has done many times, even saying these words, with "our game" instead of "conflict". Again, Jason is hurting other people to hurt Bruce, and he doesn't actually care about who he is hurting, just that it hurts Bruce. He picked great victims here because Oliver, after being told that Jason is doing that hurt Bruce, verbally abuses Bruce and paints him as a monster to be close to, that his existence is only bringing suffering to others.

~ Red Hood and the Outlaws (2016) - This is the start of the comic, btw. Jason and Bruce are working on a case together, and Jason discovered that the mayor is being mind-controlled, and he has this gun that can stop it. However, he doesn't tell that to Bruce, and just shows up pointing a gun at the mayor. Bruce tries to stop him, Jason kicks his ass and goes to the mayor. And so Bruce is on the ground, utilizing all his forces to beg his son to not shot a man. Later, they fight about this lack of communication, but to me, it's clear that Jason did not care about how it would hurt Bruce to see Jason shoot someone again, when this is very close to his trauma (and Jason started using guns because he knows about that trauma).

I stopped reading RHatO (2016) very early on, so don't take my word for it, but Bruce and Jason fight again later, and you probably have seen around that panel of Bruce hitting Jason while Jason claims that Bruce never hit the Joker that hard (that some people use as proof that Bruce hit Jason harder than the Joker 🙄). Well, the thing is that Bruce is reacting to Jason pointing his gun at and shooting Bruce, which is attempted murder normally. Bruce is portrayed as more violent because they want you to side with Jason, even tho Jason is wrong.

~ Batman: Three Jokers - Context is that there are three Jokers, and Bruce and Barbara are trying to determine who is the original one or if there always have been three Jokers. Jason is just whining that Bruce didn't kill the Joker and is against Jason killing the Joker. Finally, Jason kills one of them and Barbara fights with him. Jason then decides to go after the other Jokers but it was a trap, and they undressed him and hit him to get to Bruce, to remind Bruce of the time Joker took Jason from him. Bruce and Barbara runs to the rescue, Bruce terrified that he will be too late to save Jason again. Upon being saved, Jason's reaction is to immediately blame Bruce for everything, not the Joker(s) or himself for his own actions, but Bruce, and to reject him. Later on, Jason is still complaining about the same shit, and Bruce cracks, as shown here, telling Jason that he has dreamed many times of killing the Joker for hurting them. But Jason is like "but you didn't, so you don't care", then he yaps about how Bruce isn't arresting him for the murder of one of the Jokers (Jason, you have killed more than 80 people canonically. That's the number given in RHatO (2011)) not because Bruce cannot throw him in jail, but because he would reveal their secret identities. This comic showcases that three Jokers could be interesting, especially if each behaves like a Joker from a specific time period, but three Jasons would be unsufferable. And after whining so much, he turns to Barbara to be like "If you are willing to date me, I will change", like wtf is this? Bruce and Barbara's own trauma with the Joker is minimized and erased so much in this comic, just to put Jason on a pedestal, and it's frustrating. (If I remember well, Bruce's failed marriage with Selina was before that, and during that arc, Joker killed a newlywed couple as a message that Batman belongs to him and he would kill anyone who dares put themselves between them. The impact of Joker's obsession with Bruce on Bruce is so underexplored by DC.) Barbara is very much only a love interest for Jason too.

Batman is Thomas Wayne’s illegitimate child (and therefore Bruce’s half brother)

Bruce is Batman’s LinkedIn Mentor

Batman is Bruce’s dominatrix

They killed someone in a boating accident back in 1997 and are sworn to keep that secret together until they die

Batman is an evil Bruce clone created by Lex Luthor who went rogue

they don’t know each other but Batman keeps saving Bruce because he thinks he knows him from somewhere, maybe

Batman is trying to collect on a ransom for Bruce but you have to rescue him ten times on the punch card

Batman is Jim Gordon and he only rescues Bruce so he can yell at him for letting his ward sleep with his daughter

Batman is a hired actor Bruce employs for PTSD exposure therapy

Etc etc

All I’m saying is, the Gotham tabloids should be getting way more creative and outlandish with their theories. “Oh, they’re sleeping together!” is so lame. Readers need intrigue.

Send me your panels of the batkids doing bad things to Bruce. Any kind of bad thing. I need the material for fic endeavours.

Preferably the entire context please 💙

~ Bruce Wayne: Murderer?/Fugitive - Bruce is going through a bad episode mentally, like he is in crisis psychologically, and he persuaded himself that Bruce Wayne is not real, only Batman. Upon stating such to the batkids, Dick is hurt because Bruce is his dad, and if Bruce doesn't exist, then who raised and loved Dick? As always with Dick, he wants the argument to continue, and when Bruce refuses to do so, Dick gets violent and hit him. He then try to have Bruce fight him, which Bruce refuses at first, escaping Dick's hits, before finally giving in and hitting back only once. The fight stops when Dick, upon trying to hit Bruce, hits Jason's memorial and breaks it.

~ Detective Comics (2016) - I forgot what was going one, but Cassandra is very emotional and suffering, Bruce is trying to be supportive (they hugged in one of the issues before). Then Shiva shows up, and Cass decides to go fight her. Bruce tries to stop her, to protect her because she isn't doing well, and Cass starts a fight, in which Bruce refuses to participate. Of course, while Bruce can dodge Dick's hits, Cass is a better fighter than him, so she kicks his ass.

I do not have the panels, but in the same comics, just a couple of issues before, Steph also fought Bruce while he refused to hit back. This happened because they were fighting a group that presents itself as the victims of Batman, and Steph finally agreed with them that Batman and vigilantes are a bad thing (ooc of Steph imo. That's the girl that got killed because she refused to stop being a vigilante).

~ The Outsiders (2003) - Dick just learned that the company that was financially supporting the team (bought the bunker they live in, pays their salaries because they have salaries, buys their equipment, without expecting anything in return) is owned by WE and so by Bruce. Mind you, he was approached to be part of the Outsiders by Roy who already had the support of this company to back them up, like Bruce didn't sneak in behind, Dick joined a team paid by Bruce without doing research on who was paying them. But instead, Dick yells at Bruce that he is a controlling asshole for using his money to support young heroes. There is also the fact that Roy admitted to receive informations from Batman, but in reality it's Deathstroke disguised as Batman, so Bruce is innocent. Anyway, I included Alfred asking them to not hit each others, because people have use it to be like "Bruce hits Dick!" when Dick is the one yelling and being ableist and rude, and the one to jump to violence when Bruce doesn't yell back. For Dick, Bruce not yelling back, aka him being mature and controlling his emotions, means Bruce doesn't have emotion (a stupid belief some other characters also have, like Oliver Queen)

I do not have the panel either, but I'm going to mention New Teen Titans, when Dick confronts Bruce about Jason's death. Bruce hits Dick, sure, but it's because Dick just blamed Bruce for Jason's death. This is deeply rude and disrespectful, so for the time period, Bruce's reaction is ok (my parents were slapped for way less, and Dick is being HELLA disrespectful to his father). Bruce is also grieving deeply, not sleeping much and fueled by a desire for vengeance. Also, like always, Bruce did tell Dick he did not want to fight, but Dick disregarded it and went into Bruce's face to get the reaction he wanted.

There is also this panel right here from Batman: The Court of Owl with Dick being a dick to Bruce.

~ Gotham Knights - While we are talking of blaming Bruce for Jason's death, here we have a flashback with Barbara doing just that at the boy's funeral. Before that, when she was still Batgirl, Bruce asked her to go on a mission with Jason because they had issues, and he wanted her opinion on how Jason was doing. She reported that he is emotional because he is a teenager. Then she commented on Bruce failing to catch the Joker, and upon Bruce feeling that it would be ok because the clown is obsessed with him and hurting him, she made a comment about how he could hurt the people around him (like Bruce doesn't know that). Anyway, she is blaming Bruce for the obsession Joker has toward him, which led to Jason's death, at the boy's funeral. In the present, she doesn't feel this way at all anymore, but still, she did it.

~ Bruce Wayne: Murderer?/Fugitive - Well, Bruce's bad mental health episode is over, and he is self-deprecating, and instead of being understanding and showing support, Barbara agrees that he is a difficult person to know, Dick and Tim not having a problem with that. (Tim being a child, I let it pass) I hate it so much, that's just ableist af to me: yeah, let's tell our mental ill friend/father figure that he is a hard person to know and love, that his illnesses made it difficult for US, like living with these illnesses isn't more difficult. Let's center our feeling over his, the person who is suffering from mental illnesses. Cass not being in the panel matters to me, because she was supporting of Bruce during this arc, not forcing herself unto him or going against him, but telling him and showing him that she was there, in his corner, and if he needed help, he could come to her (and girl was fighting Shiva! She was busy af)

~ Detective Comics (2016) - This one is complicated, because it's not really a fight, but I hate it soooo much and I have been wanting to make a post about this fucking bs. So, the context: the batfam, and especially Cass, have been working with Clayface and rehabilitating him. Following her father's advices (a man working for the US gov and who tried to kill Batman, knowing it was his nephew, and they believed had successfully killed Tim until recently, and she knew all of that), Kate kills Clayface in front of Cass, when the man loses control. Cass tore a new one in Kate, but the young woman is now deeply depressed, as SHE BELIEVES THE BATFAM WOULD KILL HER TOO IF SHE LOSES CONTROL because, like Clayface, she has a bad past. Cass sees herself as a murderer and a monster, and Bruce believing in rehabilitation and second chances is how she stays alive, it matters deeply to her. Seeing how much this hurt Cass, Bruce calls the batkids to discuss what they will do with Kate, and here starts this bs. The kids, as you can see (Damian doesn't count, he barely speaks), have the fucking audacity to tell Bruce that he is only mad because his pride was hurt, because someone didn't follow his order, and that he cannot chose who can or cannot wear HIS symbol, because she's an adult. I would have been here, I would have lost it on them. The bat symbol is BRUCE'S, it represents his mission, his hope. When he and Cass first hugged in Batgirl (2000) (different timeline, but still) and he asked her what she was loyal to, she told him that she was not loyal to David, or to Bruce, but to the symbol. Because the symbol means something, and Cass gets it, and it's why she tore it off Kate's chest after she killed Clayface. No, they do not have the right to choose if they can or cannot wear Bruce's symbol, it's his. But also, it has a meaning, and that meaning matters more than their feelings. "Because it hurts your pride" shut the fuck up, omg. And using Bruce's mother against him too, why not!

~ Batman (2016) - The situation here is special, in the sense that the kids are hurting Bruce, but it's mostly Alfred's fault. Bane is controlling Gotham in the shadow, and he revealed himself and his ally, Flashpoint Batman aka Thomas Wayne, to Bruce at the manor. Bruce immediately called for help from the whole Batfam, with a special "code red" signal (Steph ignored it because she is against vigilantism rn, Jason told the fam to tell Bruce to go fuck himself, and Dick is amnesic). However, they don't find Bane, and Alfred, who is currently forced to serve Bane, LIES TO THEM AND TELL THEM THAT BRUCE IS HAVING AN EPISODE. Alfred utilizes Bruce's mental health's history to turn his kids "against" him. So, the kids are being lied to, but it doesn't change that they are hurting Bruce by treating him as if he is "insane". Btw, because this is Tom King, Bruce hits Tim after that.

Anyway Jason! I have some things to say about Jason!

An interesting thing about Jason is that, sometimes, the way he hurts Bruce is very similar to how Joker has hurt Bruce, and I wished the comics exploited that parallel. I think the animated movie A Death in the Family did in one of its storylines, with the Joker telling Jason that he is his and Batman's son, but I have never seen the movie, only clips on youtube, so don't quote me on that.

Another thing with Jason is that anytime he does crime, anytime he kills or hurt someone or Gotham, he hurts Bruce. This is something he is conscious of, he chooses to use guns to hurt Bruce, he chooses to become a crime lord to hurt Bruce, because he told himself, when he backed down from blowing up the batmobile to kill Bruce, that he couldn't simply kill Bruce, he needed to hurt him. This is told to us in both Under The Red Hood and Lost Days.

~ Batman: Hush - When people talks about Hush, they mostly talk about Jason hurting Tim, but Jason isn't hurting Tim to get at the boy, he is hurting Tim to hurt Bruce. He doesn't give a fuck about Tim there, it's only about Bruce. (Just like Joker) He is threatening to kill Tim because it would hurt Bruce. This is well shown by how Jason only looks at Bruce during the whole thing, not at Tim or even at Selina who uses it to attack to free Tim. And Tim may have a father back home, but Bruce is literally called his dad too earlier in the comic, so Jason is threatening to kill his son to punish Bruce for "failing" him. I also included the fight after because Bruce doesn't fight back with his full strength, as Jason points out and screams at Bruce to fight him (just like Dick does) while Jason is not holding back. We saw before that Bruce holds back when his kids fight him, staying on the defense and not attacking, and here, Bruce has to convince himself that it is not really Jason to fight back. We don't know when Clayface and Jason switched place in that fight, but I don’t believe Jason did not give Clayface directives on what to say and do to Bruce, so even if it's Calyface, it is still Jason hurting Bruce. Also, the "one punch" Jason is talking about wasn't a punch, Bruce tackled him when Selina freed Tim to create distance between the two of them.

~ Green Arrow: Seeing Red - Like I said, Jason likes to hurt Bruce indirectly. He knows that his actions, even if they don't target Bruce, will hurt his father and he's all for it. Here, Bruce tells us and Oliver that Jason is hurting Oliver and Mia, and making them go through a mirror to what Bruce and him went through in Ethiopia, because he is punishing Bruce for stopping Jason from smuggling weapons into Gotham. But also, and this one is important, for "bringing others in their conflict", which is a thing Joker has done many times, even saying these words, with "our game" instead of "conflict". Again, Jason is hurting other people to hurt Bruce, and he doesn't actually care about who he is hurting, just that it hurts Bruce. He picked great victims here because Oliver, after being told that Jason is doing that hurt Bruce, verbally abuses Bruce and paints him as a monster to be close to, that his existence is only bringing suffering to others.

~ Red Hood and the Outlaws (2016) - This is the start of the comic, btw. Jason and Bruce are working on a case together, and Jason discovered that the mayor is being mind-controlled, and he has this gun that can stop it. However, he doesn't tell that to Bruce, and just shows up pointing a gun at the mayor. Bruce tries to stop him, Jason kicks his ass and goes to the mayor. And so Bruce is on the ground, utilizing all his forces to beg his son to not shot a man. Later, they fight about this lack of communication, but to me, it's clear that Jason did not care about how it would hurt Bruce to see Jason shoot someone again, when this is very close to his trauma (and Jason started using guns because he knows about that trauma).

I stopped reading RHatO (2016) very early on, so don't take my word for it, but Bruce and Jason fight again later, and you probably have seen around that panel of Bruce hitting Jason while Jason claims that Bruce never hit the Joker that hard (that some people use as proof that Bruce hit Jason harder than the Joker 🙄). Well, the thing is that Bruce is reacting to Jason pointing his gun at and shooting Bruce, which is attempted murder normally. Bruce is portrayed as more violent because they want you to side with Jason, even tho Jason is wrong.

~ Batman: Three Jokers - Context is that there are three Jokers, and Bruce and Barbara are trying to determine who is the original one or if there always have been three Jokers. Jason is just whining that Bruce didn't kill the Joker and is against Jason killing the Joker. Finally, Jason kills one of them and Barbara fights with him. Jason then decides to go after the other Jokers but it was a trap, and they undressed him and hit him to get to Bruce, to remind Bruce of the time Joker took Jason from him. Bruce and Barbara runs to the rescue, Bruce terrified that he will be too late to save Jason again. Upon being saved, Jason's reaction is to immediately blame Bruce for everything, not the Joker(s) or himself for his own actions, but Bruce, and to reject him. Later on, Jason is still complaining about the same shit, and Bruce cracks, as shown here, telling Jason that he has dreamed many times of killing the Joker for hurting them. But Jason is like "but you didn't, so you don't care", then he yaps about how Bruce isn't arresting him for the murder of one of the Jokers (Jason, you have killed more than 80 people canonically. That's the number given in RHatO (2011)) not because Bruce cannot throw him in jail, but because he would reveal their secret identities. This comic showcases that three Jokers could be interesting, especially if each behaves like a Joker from a specific time period, but three Jasons would be unsufferable. And after whining so much, he turns to Barbara to be like "If you are willing to date me, I will change", like wtf is this? Bruce and Barbara's own trauma with the Joker is minimized and erased so much in this comic, just to put Jason on a pedestal, and it's frustrating. (If I remember well, Bruce's failed marriage with Selina was before that, and during that arc, Joker killed a newlywed couple as a message that Batman belongs to him and he would kill anyone who dares put themselves between them. The impact of Joker's obsession with Bruce on Bruce is so underexplored by DC.) Barbara is very much only a love interest for Jason too.

I love the hc that Jaybin had issues with drugs in general because of his mother's addiction. And, personally, I hc him to being very protective of Bruce and terrified of losing him because of the loss of Catherine and Willis. So, Jaybin who discovers that Alfred drugs Bruce.

He is horrified and scared. What if Bruce gets addicted and becomes like his late mother? What if he overdoses and dies? So he calls Dick, who gave him his number and told him to call if he needed anything. Dick who is Bruce's first son and Jason's older brother, who is an adult. He will know what to do!

But Dick says it's normal. Dick has no problem with it. And Jason feels betrayed and angry on Bruce's behalf. Of course Dick doesn't see the issue, he is never at home and when he is, he is mean to their dad, so he clearly doesn't care. At least, not as much as Jason! (To be clear, Dick cares deeply about Bruce, I just like the idea that, in Jaybin's eyes, Dick is an ass to their dad)

So Jason takes action. He cannot cook all of Bruce's meal, he doesn't have the time when he is at school or out as Robin with Batman and he also doesn’t have the skill (even tho Bruce always eats anything Jason makes him, even if it's terrible, with a smile) But he can taste them, to make sure they aren't poisoned!

Alfred immediately stops him, because the dose is way too high for a child (it's nearly too high for an adult) and Bruce would be furious if Jason ate drugged food. But Jason is really not letting any food get to Bruce's mouth without passing by him first. So, the butler has to accept defeat and stops drugging Bruce's food.

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So I get asks that are really hard to answer because that is literally coming from nowhere so I am not familiar with exactly what you’re talking about?

*Not necessarily a bad thing I love researching random shit.

Which is why I think all of the times when I’m kind of blunt about favoritism or random hypotheticals they come off as really assholey. But it’s just because in the comics those two people have never interacted so why are we gonna kill Jason for them?

That is always the thought process that happens whenever I run into the polls about saving someone over the other or who do you think is this person’s favorite?

The answer is not hard or complicated if you’ve read the comics. If you haven’t and you’re only familiar with fannon that’s when your answer is not cut and dry.

In general, a lot of the Wayne’s are also not always the best people. I’m a firm believer in the narrative of the heroes who are trying to better the world. But they also can be kind of fucking assholes.

Dick is not hugging every single vigilante in Gotham and throwing them a goddamn parade every time they save someone.

He is an extremely capable, badass vigilante with anger issues who unless you are really important to him does not typically have the time of day to care about your emotional stability.

Yes, he’s going to save civilians, he will talk you down from jumping off a bridge. That doesn’t mean he’s going to braid your hair and have a sleepover.

That is the cusp of my issue, sometimes having to answer questions about Batfamily randomness. It’s always Dick, too.

Since in fandom he is this lovable octopus.

But in the comics, unless you’re literally one of the most important people in his life he’s not actually all that nice.

Even if he does care about you in the comics, he’s still a fucking asshole. If you go through his comics and actually look at the random shit he is saying it is extremely fucked up sometimes. The only person I do not have a moment in memory of him saying something that I think is literally a War Crime to is maybe Tim. I’m not even sure because he lives up to his name. Damain he’s also pretty nice, but also has made some not nice comments.

Jason, he has an on-site order for all the time. Bruce he has ripped him a new asshole, then tried to kick his ass and like a week later showed up for patrol again.

Dick Grayson 100% is loving, kind, protective, handing out nicknames, doting but he is only like that constantly to maybe three people. Donna Troy, Tim Drake…..Wally…maybe? Keyword constantly! For people like Starfire, Babs, Damian, Roy, Bruce. He has very sweet moments and is overall nice but if you give him 10 minutes, he’s going to say something really fucked up. Jason gets an honorable mention because he was nice sometimes when he was younger…

Dick Grayson is also a lying, manipulative, cruel asshole.

Especially when he’s stressed or angry.

Even Donna, who I cannot think of a moment of him being really mean to her, I’m sure has said something fucked up. That is his Wonder Twin half of his soul.

He threatened to remove the elevator. He literally threw over his shoulder to Barbara Gordon that he would take away her way of leaving.

reporter: damian, he definitely takes after his mother more than you, yes?

bruce: oh, yes, he looks like a carbon copy of his mother, which is funny because all of his siblings, even cass, take so much after me!

reporter: your other children... that are adopted?

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