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Hey saw some discussions on here about Shane or Ilya playing wing for each other. And I wanted to add my own two cents to it as a massive irl hockey fan.
Winger isn't necessarily an easier or less prestigious position than center. It just all comes down to team dynamics and what the team needs. Alexander Ovechkin (arguebly one of best players of his generation and the guy Ilya is based on) plays winger. It really isn't a "lesser" position by defenition. Lots of generational/elite players are wingers. Most centres (not all depends on the person and the playstyle) can make the switch if needed to play winger (Though switching from winger to centre is generally seen as harder) It's NOT an demotion. It's more so what your used to doing on the ice/where your strong suits lie, and what the team needs.
And something else to consider as much as I love the idea of husband line as a concept (also fun fact there is an irl version of this called wife line in the phwl) i do think that if i were the coach of ottawa and I had THE two star centres on my team i would put them on differnt lines as 1a and 2a centers because that would be WAY more effective and dangerous. Because that way you have two lines that are both deadly instead of one, which means you can spread out the pressure and play them more and have more ice time, instead of having all your best players on one line. You see this irl aswell with Mcdavid and Draisatill and my personal favorite Crosby and Malkin(in his prime). All these men are or were star centres and most of the time they are not on the same line.
(The difference with irl wife line is that Stacey has always played winger and MPP has always played centre so their positions lend themselves better to playing on the same line) And then when the game asks for it you could switch it up if you want some extra pressure or during the powerplay/penalty kill (then the units are different anyway.) Though you do see elite star centres switch to play winger but it is mostly a one off thing for a tournament. Most recent example I can think of is Crosby playing winger for Celebrini during worlds.
So sorry for the random hockey yap but hope this gives you all some context!
Edit: Only star player i can think of that switched between the the two positions regulary is Draisaitl as he plays as both a centre on his own line and as a winger on Mcdavid's line. So I could see hollanov doing something similar to that setup, if you really want husband line to be a thing.
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god. thinking about hollanov surrogacy and Ilya being like âweâll use your genes of course.â and Shane being like âWhat The Fuck. You Would Deny Me a Baby Ilya??????â and this being a legitimate fight because obviously their partner is the best and it would be best if all their babies looked like him. Ilya doesnât want to pass down his and his mothers mental problems to a child but like⌠Shaneâs husband is the best there are so many good things about him that could go to this kid? đĽšđĽšđĽš
OHhhh anon,,, you have introduced a truly crushing angst concept,,,
I think this story would start out like, playful. More crack fic adjacent. "I want baby Shanes!!! With baby freckles!!! And hockey obsessions!!!" And Shane would tease back "Well, I want baby Ilyas with curly hair and little Cupid's bows!!" and it would go back and forth like that until it slowly dawns on Shane that Ilya,,, isn't kidding. He is actually digging his heels in - he only wants their children to have Shane's genetic material. And suddenly the playful vibe vanishes, because Shane is like Umm ?? Where was I for this discussion??
I think it would be a genuinely fraught fight between them, mostly because Ilya refuses to really explain himself.
And then one night, after another tense day where neither one of them brings up the fight but it is obviously what is roiling beneath the surface, they're both lying in bed and Shane just wraps around Ilya (who's been fruitlessly pretending to be asleep) and holds him in his arms and just asks in the most soft, pained voice: "Baby, can you just tell me why." And finally FINALLY Ilya chokes out his fears about passing down his 'problems' to their children and how he can't bear the idea of that, of playing any part in giving their baby - THEIR baby! - that kind of hardship.
There would be a lot of crying and kissing and hugging after that revelation, obviously. And I think it would take a LOT of convincing and reassurance, but eventually they would get their little family. I'm picturing three babies, all girls. The older two use Shane's genetic material and the third uses Ilya's. (Obviously inspired by @medrawawi's hollanov girl dads art)
EDIT: I am not implying that Ilya's struggle with depression is some sort of genetic aberration, rather I'm grappling with how he might think about it in a surrogacy situation
@hollzy-baby your tags,,, đđđđđđ ohHHhh you get itâ˘
Ilya and the Centaurs hanging out with all of Ilyaâs old teammates after playing Boston. Ilya does his disappearing act (aka going outside to talk to Shane for 30 minutes) and the Centaurs and the Bears are chatting and they start talking about the person they all have in common when Bood kinda shares a look with Hayes and goes "So, like, when he was in Boston was he this..."
"Scarily obsessed with Shane Hollander?" Cliff chimes in " Yeah, we're all a little worried he moved to Canada to stalk the man."
Everyone at the table gives a half hearted laugh at the "joke".
Ilya comes back, not even smelling like cigarettes smoke and the first thing he says is "Did you see the deke Hollander pulled against the Admirals goalie tonight." and no they had not seen it because they had all, Ilya included, been playing hockey at the time. Which means that from their perspective he had just been outside looking at Hollanders highlights for 30 minutes and suddenly everyone at the table is just a little less convinced. Like Cliff was just joking.
Probably.
Rozanov was almost definitely not stalking Shane Hollander.
That would be crazy right?
@hollzy-baby exactly exactly. Although for the Centaurs the points have to be specific categories (1. Shane Hollander trivia facts 2. Places in Ottawa that Shane recommended to Ilya 3. Shane Hollander trivia facts parents edition 4. Weirdly specific insults that make you ask "how does he know that?" 5. Finish your drink if he gets so into talking about his good friend Shane that he has to call or text him.) because Ilya and Shane are "friends" now so if they drank anytime "his good friend Shane" (hayes voice "why does he always say it like that?) they would literally die of alcohol poisoning.

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I just imagine that once they're on the same team Hollanov aren't really interested in like romantic PDA, but they are VERY interested in being physical with each other in the way athletes are. The first time Shane knocks helmets with him on the way into the tunnel, Ilya freezes, smiling with so much delight that Bood has to be like "Tighten up Cap! You see him all the time!" The first time Ilya snaps a towel at Shane has him laughing like Ilya is a physical comedy genius. The first time Shane chirps Ilya for missing a pass on the power play and Ilya puts him in a headlock to mess up his hair and then they start roughhousing like kids they both get so hard in their pants they better thank god for jock straps and cups. Like, this is their language. Camaraderie, fraternity, chirps, roasting, wrestlingânow they get to have it together, for once.
On-ice things too!
fist bumps at the boards when one of them scores
Ilya getting to yell at the ref on Shane's behalf when he takes a cheap hit
Shane giving the hardest check of his career to the d-man that gave Ilya a minor concussion in the last game against them. The guy practically backflips but he's fine and the gif of Shane's snarling face goes viral
When Ilya loses a blade on the power play one time Shane's the closet one who can tow him to the bench (this goes VERY viral)
SICK PRETTY SHOTS on said power play, showing the world how fucking stupid everyone was to allow them to get on the same team
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Locker Room / Bench
Guys tape everythingâwrists, fingers, knees, anklesâand Ilya having strong opinions about how Shane tapes his wrists wrong and physically taking his hand and redoing it. It takes forever. You have to hold the wrist, keep tension on the tape. Shane spending the entire time staring at his face like he's having a religious experience.
The thing where your teammate finishes taping your stick because you're still messing with your skates. Deeply domestic. Completely normal hockey behavior. Ilya doing it for Shane without asking because he knows exactly how Shane likes his blade wrapped from years of studying him as an opponent. Shane does not Trust anyone else to even touch his stick
Ilya starts stealing Shane's sticks during morning skate and refusing to give them back until Shane physically wrestles them out of his hands.
Sharing a water bottle on the bench. Deeply unsanitary. Completely normal. Something you only really do with guys you're comfortable around. Ilya grabbing Shane's by mistake the first week and Shane not even mentioning it.
The thing where after a bad loss nobody talks. The room is silent except for tape ripping and gear getting packed away. Ilya sitting down next to Shane, shoulders touching, and saying absolutely nothing. Somehow that's the most anyone has said all night.
Sharing an iPad on the bench, shoulder-to-shoulder, drawing routes on the screen with gloved fingers. One of them grabbing the other's arm to point something out and not letting go because they're both still watching the clip.
The full-body lean that happens after a brutal shift. Just putting your entire weight onto the guy next to you because you're too tired to hold yourself up. Ilya doing it once without thinking and Shane automatically widening his stance to take the weight.
Ilya grabbing Shane's elbow during a TV timeout and physically moving him six inches to the left so he can see the whiteboard. Shane just lets himself be repositioned.
Guys smacking each other on the ass after a good play is so normalized in hockey it's practically invisible. The first time Ilya does it to Shane they both feel like they're getting away with something.
The way players grab the backs of each other's necks to get their attention. The way they grab cages to be heard over crowd noise. Ilya catching Shane by the visor and pulling him closer until they're practically nose-to-nose to say something, and Shane immediately going still.
Getting your jersey number called for a penalty and having to go to the box and your linemate skating you over, just a hand between the shoulder blades guiding you to the box door, and Shane doing this for Ilya once and Ilya looking back at him through the glass from the penalty box and Shane just tapping his own chest twice like I've got it, go sit down (I realize they're both centers but maybe occasionally Ilya plays wing, like mentioned about All-Stars in that bed convo w Sveta)
The two of them coming back to the bench after a shift and immediately starting to explain what they saw at the exact same time. "The weak-side D keeps cheatingâ" "I know, if we swing lowerâ" Neither of them stops talking. Somehow they're still having the same conversation.
Every winger they've ever played with eventually develops the same thousand-yard stare while Shane and Ilya spend an entire TV timeout discussing a faceoff they already won three minutes ago.
On The Ice
The thing about Shane being able to look completely bored while doing something physically absurd. Ilya being one of the only people who's ever been able to tell the difference between Shane coasting and Shane being fully locked in because he's spent years reading him from the other bench.
Now he reads him from the same bench. At some point Ilya realizes he can tell whether Shane is nervous by whether his right leg is bouncing. Shane is Hockey Jesus and therefore never nervous about himself, obviously. But teammates doing stupid shit? Suddenly the leg is going.
Shane automatically skates over to grab the extra guy after every scrum because nobody gets to cross-check Ilya except him.
The first month they accidentally keep ending up in the same support lane in the neutral zone. Both of them trying to do the responsible center thing on the breakout, swinging to provide an outlet, reading the same play developing and arriving in the same spot. One goes low to support the defenseman. The other is already there. It takes a month of bumping into each other before they stop thinking the exact same thought at the exact same time.
pThe breakout where Ilya is supposed to be the outlet but gets tied up on the wall. He manages to free one arm and taps his stick twice on the ice. Don't go middle. Go wide. Shane reads it instantly.
At some point they've developed an entire private language of stick taps that nobody else understands.
When the power play isn't working, they have entire conversations between whistles that are maybe thirty percent words and seventy percent stick taps, glove grabs, shoulder shoves, and pointing at patches of ice.
The Ovi-Backstrom thing, neither of them is permanently Ovi and neither of them is permanently Backstrom. Some shifts Shane is the shooter. Some shifts Ilya is. Some shifts they're both trying to set the other guy up. Figuring out who's who isn't really a system so much as a running conversation.
Shane pinching at the blue line, which coaches have spent his entire life trying to discourage. Ilya rotating back to cover before Shane has fully committed to the pinch. Making the decision for him before he's made it himself.
The first time they line up together for a defensive-zone draw and Ilya casually puts a hand on Shane's back and shifts him six inches to the right. It's not even a weird thing. Players reposition each other all the time. Shane still short-circuits because nobody has ever moved him before. He's always been the one directing traffic.
Shane taking a defensive-zone draw because it's on his strong side. Ilya automatically drifting to the wing. No discussion, no ego, just both of them recognizing what gives them the best chance to win possession.
Which is maybe the strangest thing about them. They've both spent their entire lives being THE centerman. The guy the play runs through. The guy who takes the draw. The guy who decides. And now they keep finding themselves yielding little pieces of territory to each other without even thinking about it.
They both tap their sticks on the ice in the exact same rhythm before a faceoff. Someone points it out. They deny it with suspicious speed. (They are the Exact Same People It's Creepy).
Both of them mutter constantly during games. To themselves. To the puck. To nobody. For years they did it from opposite benches. Now they're muttering at each other halfway through shifts, sometimes English, sometimes Russian, and their wingers genuinely cannot tell whether they're communicating or just happening simultaneously.
The line change where Shane is jumping over the boards and Ilya is coming off and for one second they have to occupy the exact same piece of ice. A hand on an elbow. A shove at the hip, crawling over each other. Alternatively, one of them trying to get on the bench where the other is already sitting, and like missing a little, so now Shane's dragging Ilya over the railing by the back of his jersey like a feral alley cat
Shane bodychecking Ilya into the boards during practice and then immediately grabbing his jersey to make sure he's still upright.
Ilya scores goals that look psychic because he knows where Shane is going before Shane does. The back-door tap-in where Shane hasn't even looked at him yet and Ilya is already there, stick on the ice, because he read Shane's shoulder angle and knew the pass was coming. Shane doesn't even have to find him. Ilya is just always in the right place because he's been studying Shane longer than Shane has been studying himself.
Goals / Celebrations
The goal celebration where Shane grabs Ilya's face in both hands and shakes it around viciously.
The chest bump that turns into Ilya holding him there for half a second longer than necessary because they're both laughing too hard.
When one of them gets named first star, the other immediately interrupts the interview by spraying him with a water bottle
Shane grabbing the back of Ilya's helmet and shaking it the way you'd ruffle someone's hair if the helmet wasn't there.
After wins Ilya getting Shane in a headlock and dragging him halfway across the ice.
Video / Meetings
The video session where the coaches are breaking down Ilya's one-timer and Shane keeps quietly finishing the explanation because he's spent years trying to defend against it. Ilya turning around to stare at him. Everyone else in the room already grinning, Shane having absolutely no idea what is funny.
Shane flicking the back of Ilya's helmet every time he says something stupid during film review.
Both of them are notorious video guys, which means they keep accidentally finding themselves alone in the video room after practice. At some point they stop pretending it's an accident.
The power-play meeting where the coach draws something up on the whiteboard and Shane reaches over, moves the bumper route two feet, and looks at Ilya. Ilya nods. The coach just sighs and updates the diagram because unfortunately they're right.
it's actually so important to me that even before they had REAL space for it in the cottage, ilya and shane have always been able to understand when the other is going "play??"
everyone always seems so surprised when shane is funny or makes a joke, and i don't think it's meant to be mean, but like? yeah shane is funny. he's always been funny. he's picky about his audience (because he has his image to think about and also because he's just naturally reserved), but he is snarky and quick with it. you know who has ALWAYS found him funny, though?
and on ilya's part, he chirps partially (i think) strategically to have the other team playing annoyed because that's not going to have them on their a-game, but also?? it's for fun. he is puppy nipping and going "play??? play back??? play??" and with almost everyone (because of the reputation he's been branded under), the response he gets is fuck off and a refusal to engage, like we saw with scott hunter. you know who's always understood that this is supposed to be for fun, though?
like these two have SO many communication issues between them, but it's so special to me that from the START they've been able to go, "play????" "yeah, i'll play"
your post about ilya finding out about shaneâs allergies during the ccm shoot and later spitefully eating peanut butter in his house while shane is pulling away/dating rose made me think of this reddit post! https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/s/Ww5fEoz0SB
people had left comments about how it could be Really Bad for this guyâs wife to see hotel room charges and stuff out of nowhere and have the usual assumptions about what that might mean.
iâm picturing ilya just dyinggggg for some peanut butter, but he doesnât want to make shane feel bad for his craving, and he also doesnât want to risk indulging where the contamination could potentially hurt shane. and thus he has the secret peanut butter hotel rooms of shame and indulgence. and of course, shane eventually finds out about the hotel rooms and the real reason that ilya is booking them.
oh MAN i see this and raise you: shane and ilya of course always room together after they're both on the ottawa team except âď¸ in the cities where there's a candy store that has something made with peanut butter that ilya REALLY loves.
it's just Understood that in san francisco, ironically, they are no longer gay married ("ilya, we are still married, what the fuck are you talking about") because ilya must meet with his mistress (z. cioccolato candy shop) and enjoy her tender affections (peanut butter fudge).
alternatively: during shane's annual Mango Time, ilya gets a hotel and has concurrent Peanut Butter Time.
unreasonably amused by the idea of itty bitty shane not wanting to get off the ice after practice to the point that david gets ON the ice to get him, so itty bitty does the "my bones are gone now" resistance move kids are so good at.
but fails to consider that ice is. so slippery.
like stage your protest all you want, buddy, but you have literally never been more move-able.
Read the post and loved it exactly for the potential of what's in the tags: uh oh now David made it funnnn and Shane, quick little bean that he is, riiiight as he's getting to the edge of the rink, about to be picked up and passed to mom, gets up and skates away to the middle of the rink and PLOMP lays down on his back, giggling and kicking his little skates. "Again, Dad (Shane does not call David daddy in front of his friends, he's not a baby!), again!!"
It doesn't help David and Yuna that everyone and their mother thinks this is the funniest, cutest thing ever and laughs, just spurring Shane to do it more and more.
OH MY GOD
coupled with the idea of shane's conversation with rose when he talks about how hockey got less fun because it got more intense and so so did he: the idea of ilya dramatically flopping on his back on the ice one day at camp when they're done running drills with the kids
and he is teasingly refusing to get up because he is dead now, hollander, can you not see this, and shane hesitates for just a second, grabs his hand, plants one of his skates, and just sends him sliding off towards the side of the rink, thinking about how his dad used to do it to him after every single practice
and ilya laughs and shane laughs and for this moment at least, being on the ice is nothing but Fun again
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shane as a teenager who still refuses to leave the ice after practice, but it's not for fun anymore. it's because he feels like he didn't do well today and needs to practice more, get faster, get better, get-dad, get OFF the ice. you're in the WAY.
just so frustrated with himself and mad because he's BETTER THAN THIS he KNOWS he's better than this. and david tries to get an arm around his shoulders and shane just defaults to. sitting down. go home if you want, he'll just-
the idea of david starting to gently swing protesting teenaged shane around by a shoulder pad until he can't help but smile at least because GOD dad you're SO weird, but rn it's just him and his dad on the ice together, and the spotlights feel a little less blinding
AAAA there's an adorable clip floating somewhere of Brad Marchand and his daughter on the ice and this child just completely drops and starfishes on the ice, and that dad knows what to do! He uses his hockey stick to push her leg until she's spinning like a little ninja star on the ice, only for the other child to plop down and demand the same. He had two little kids spinning like turntables and giggling like drains I love it
Extension on that of yuna or David with little toddler Shane. And how one day kids get carried for the last time or whatever, but he officially outgrew ninja star time, he just got too long and lanky and yuna had a moment about that.
David relives his glory days spinning the under fives at camp and becomes the favorite of three coach Hollander-Rozanovs. Ilya adopts it as a game for teammates kids in his quest to be superior uncle
GOD i know yuna BAWLED the day jackie tagged shane in a post on instagram of him doing turntable time with the pike kids when they came to the arena one night during a family event
her baby turntable now spinning baby turntables
unreasonably amused by the idea of itty bitty shane not wanting to get off the ice after practice to the point that david gets ON the ice to get him, so itty bitty does the "my bones are gone now" resistance move kids are so good at.
but fails to consider that ice is. so slippery.
like stage your protest all you want, buddy, but you have literally never been more move-able.
Read the post and loved it exactly for the potential of what's in the tags: uh oh now David made it funnnn and Shane, quick little bean that he is, riiiight as he's getting to the edge of the rink, about to be picked up and passed to mom, gets up and skates away to the middle of the rink and PLOMP lays down on his back, giggling and kicking his little skates. "Again, Dad (Shane does not call David daddy in front of his friends, he's not a baby!), again!!"
It doesn't help David and Yuna that everyone and their mother thinks this is the funniest, cutest thing ever and laughs, just spurring Shane to do it more and more.
OH MY GOD
coupled with the idea of shane's conversation with rose when he talks about how hockey got less fun because it got more intense and so so did he: the idea of ilya dramatically flopping on his back on the ice one day at camp when they're done running drills with the kids
and he is teasingly refusing to get up because he is dead now, hollander, can you not see this, and shane hesitates for just a second, grabs his hand, plants one of his skates, and just sends him sliding off towards the side of the rink, thinking about how his dad used to do it to him after every single practice
and ilya laughs and shane laughs and for this moment at least, being on the ice is nothing but Fun again
@somanystars G O D
shane as a teenager who still refuses to leave the ice after practice, but it's not for fun anymore. it's because he feels like he didn't do well today and needs to practice more, get faster, get better, get-dad, get OFF the ice. you're in the WAY.
just so frustrated with himself and mad because he's BETTER THAN THIS he KNOWS he's better than this. and david tries to get an arm around his shoulders and shane just defaults to. sitting down. go home if you want, he'll just-
the idea of david starting to gently swing protesting teenaged shane around by a shoulder pad until he can't help but smile at least because GOD dad you're SO weird, but rn it's just him and his dad on the ice together, and the spotlights feel a little less blinding

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I think you carry the people youâve loved with you forever, not in a âyou can never get over themâ way but more like loving them changed you and it meant something and you have to make peace with that
Putting the term "Catholic guilt" on a high shelf where fandom can't reach it until everyone learns how to identify characters who are very very clearly coded as Protestant.
one thing I wish they had been able to put in the movie is grace being an insomniac king. this guy literally stayed up for days and then passed out mid-thought while on his way to his bedroom. rocky assigns himself the role of grace's personal sleep reminder because grace will NOT go to sleep on a normal schedule.
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can someone actually explain this to me bc i dont get it. I see a lot of people saying that the coronavirus pandemic is ongoing but looking at the numbers on the WHO website it seems like cases and deaths are both down to very very small numbers compared to their levels from 2020 to 2022?
Probably just because it isnât true. Thereâs a lot of misinformation and due to the economic crisis posed by the pandemic and the initial lockdown (there are other reasons, but it all comes back to capital), countries were pressured to call the pandemic over when it only got worse after 2022. Aside from the spike we see in the winter of 2021-22, transmission and infection has been almost consistently elevated with greater peaks of high transmission all throughout the year.
In America we are admittedly in a relative lull right now, but as you can see, numbers of deaths/infections/chronic illnesses are still incredibly high. Note how on average, people have been infected with COVID over 5 times.
I just woke up and have work soon so I canât go digging through archives, but here is an example of data during a peak. This is February 2025, where transmission was higher than 61% of the pandemic. 1 in 65 people infected and a resulting 250,000-1,000,000 people leaving that single week with a new long COVID condition (ie. POTS, ME-CFS, thyroid disease, cancer, etc.) does not signify that a pandemic is over.
For more information here, please check out @covid-safer-hotties who has a lot of great info and resources. All this data is from Dr. Michael Hoerger whose data is on pmc19.com for predominantly US-based sources.
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still reeling from the fact that Niall "What Makes You Beautiful" Horan has a track on his new album called "Pretty," which includes the lyrics:
Baby,âcan't you see? You'reâso fucking pretty You'reâso fucking pretty
something really delicious about the dubcon of ilya thinking, if I get him cock drunk and fucked out enough heâll say yes to anything, heâll let me cuddle him, let me clean him up, heâll let me cook for him, let me take care of him. ilya going there is an obstacle in the path of me getting what I want and I will remove said obstacle by getting you drunk off my dick