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That George Michael referencing interview is really pissing me off. On SO MANY LEVELS. So yeah. Sure by 2000, it wasn’t the worst thing in the world to be gay anymore. I remember. I turned 24 in 2000. So in a lot of youth scenes that was just not transgressive anymore. But the thing is…not in his scene. The audience he appealed to, the ppl he was making music for? They hadn’t moved on yet.

So, he’s being slick in a sense. It’s important to him. No one goes on for 2 written paragraphs worth of discourse for some shit they don’t think about. Bro had a lot to say. But then i remember Paolo hewitt’s book and when he heard Liam calling Noel a scaredy cat.

Exactly exactly I've been thinking about this, too. I've always had a strong feeling that they must have experienced/witnessed sexual violence at home. Maybe it could explain their messed-up relationship better too. Not just the incestuous side of it, I'm more talking about their weird power dynamics and comments about each other, ykwim. Like Noel taking digs at Liam by feminising his existence and god that one quote alone, where he says that he loves making women cry and loves making his brother cry too because it makes him look like a woman, it gets me genuinely nauseous. Ugh. It's all very frustrating.

Liam mentioned in some interview back in…had to be around 97, that his dad caned his mom. Wish I could find it. A caning doesn’t automatically mean there was a sexual element to his violence, but it’s definitely associated with that type of thing more than a plain beating is.

As far as the weird power dynamics go. Ugh. Your comment about making his brother cry is kiiiiiilling me. I’m familiar with it but…what a thing to say. In particular “I love making women cry and knowing I was the one what did it.” It’s like he already said he loves it. Why the need for “knowing I was the one that did it?” It’s like he wants it out there clear that it’s a power thing. It’s not because it’s cute. In case we weren’t sure.

There’s like 5 things he connects in two sentences and it’s all bad. 1) He likes making women cry. 2) Crying is woman behavior 3) displaying feminine behavior is humiliating 4) he enjoys seeing his brother humiliated 5) he plays similar mind games with his brother as he plays with women