The time has come again to remind everyone that good queer representation does not necessarily equal morally good queer characters
Iâve heard that apparently thereâs a renaissance of anti-Hannibal going on lately? And that + the rise in popularity of media like Helluva Boss and Killing Eve, and the addition of more openly queer charectors in existing media- from comic book based media to long-running shows like American Horror Story- I feel like this needs to be said again- not necessarily by me but I posted about it way back when Hannibal originally aired itâs finale so I figure, what the hell
Good representation =/= morally good characters
You can have both, absolutely, but you can also have them separate, and you can have all combinations of the reverse too
Ofcourse, to be clear right in the beginning, what counts as âgoodâ representation vs âbadâ reputation is going to vary from person to person, everything from life experiences to media exposure to personal opinions will dictate where you land on the sliding scale of âgoodâ or âbadâ, someone whoâs consumed quite alot of queer-focused media, for example, is going to have a very different opinion than someone whoâs only seen one background gay in a TV show that one time, and someone whoâs a really huge fan of horror is going to have a much different opinion than someone whoâs only a fan of lighter-hearted fair
With that said, in my personal opinion, the measure of good vs bad representation relies less on the character and more on the presentation of said character- less, not entirely
To get what I mean, hereâs the best example I can think of:
Castiel from Supernatural is, objectively, a good charactor- if nothing else heâs morally good by most standards, certainly by the time season 15 rolls around, but his canonically queer presentation is just.... horrible, horrible representation and Iâve only met literally one person myself who disagreed with that
Cas is presented as being a really tragic figure right from the start of his coming out- the one thing in the world that would make him truly happy for even a single moment is confessing that heâs in love with Dean, even if Dean rejects him, just saying it is enough, that is..... sad
If it had been framed differently, it actually could have been very good representation, in a âI donât need you to validate me, Iâm being honest about who I am for the first time in my life and thatâs enough, Iâm enoughâ way, but it wasnât, it was framed as pining, as âEven if you donât love me, my acknowledging openly that I love you is enough to make me happyâ, and again that could have worked if framed differently but.... itâs followed up by the infamous âGay angels go to Super Mega Turbo Hellâ thing and like.... no....
Cas is a good character who is queer, he is not a good queer character, because his existence as a queer character lasted less than five minutes and was immediately followed by literally going to whatâs worse than hell for expressing his queerness
There is no way I can express the amount of levels of Bad that is, to say nothing of how Dean treats the entire experience for like.... ever... from there on out
But now letâs look at Hannibal, who is objectively a pretty bad character morally- heâs stupendously written but yeah I mean look the dude eats people thereâs just no getting around that
But I would argue that heâs excellent queer representation because of how he was presented
Hannibalâs sexuality is never defined, for starters, thereâs never a âvery special episodeâ moment where he has some long-winded coming out speech, in fact we donât quite know how he identifies but because heâs written so artfully we donât really need to, his exact sexuality doesnât feel like it needs to be known because, frankly, not much personal information is known about Hannibal anyway, and sexuality feels like one of those arbitrary things that he wouldnât really care about defining
And thatâs the other thing- heâs far from sexless and yet he places no emphasis on sex, he isnât hypersexualized but he also isnât being kept as a Ken doll to preserve the message of gay purity (because I donât know apparently thereâs a Thing some people have about how gay people arenât allowed to be sexual???) heâs just... a person
And thatâs really what it comes down to that makes him great, heâs a person first and queer second... or third.... or fourth or fifth.... it never defines who he is, itâs just part of who he is, and regardless of your opinion on Hannibal specifically, I think that is something most queer people strive for in representation
Itâs great to have stories that are focused on queerness but itâs equally exhausting to only be able to have characters whoâs lives revolve around their sexualities, itâs nice to go into media and go âOh that character that I already like for these reasons is also queer, thatâs so cool!â
Hannibal also skillfully side-steps stereotypes, despite falling into the category of being âpolite, thin, and neatâ, despite loving fine wine and fine art and fine culture, he never feels like a flamboyant theater kid with a decoration-diploma, wich is how alot of queer characters in this category can feel
His story is about alot of things and his relationship with Will is at the center of much of it, but that relationship didnât become explicitly queer until the show was almost over- not because it was sudden or poorly written but because it was a slow build up, wich is also refreshing, as alot of times it feels like queer characters are made as explicitly queer as theyâre allowed to be as quickly as theyâre able to be on screen so that the show can grab those important Representation Brownie Points from episode one and either introduce a Manwhore or a Uhaul Lesbian right away and just kind of leave them in that trope until âsomeone comes along and changes thatâ or whatever, I donât even know what straight writers do half the time, but Hannibal- as a show and a charactor- doesnât do that, heâs just allowed to exist and tell his story, and THAT is good representation
With the heavy-handed example over with though, I want to tackle the biggest part of this entire âdebateâ that makes me interested in it:
Queer people are allowed to be bad people
Queer people are allowed to be lazy and unattractive and non-political and angry and jealous and yes, âbadâ and evil too
Wile I DEFINITELY prefer to have morally good characters- especially after literally a century of rarely getting more than The Evil Homosexual stereotype and all itâs kin- I also donât like the direction some people are taking this where queer people are only âallowedâ to be 100% morally flawless and good and righteous at all times because itâs just so unrealistic, and because it does the exact same thing that the opposite stereotype does: Puts queer people in a box, makes us a decoration for the straight cast so that the creators get Representation Brownie Points and canât get yelled at on Twitter, and treats us like weâre some other species (and not in the cool way like werewolves but more like... well, decorations, as Iâve said before)
And if youâre worried about the way straight-cis people perceive us due to seeing evil queer characters, you should be equally worried about how they perceive us seeing nothing but morally flawless ones
I could get into An Entire Thing about the history of Straights trying to turn queer people into what they want us to be and present an inaccurate depiction of us to their brethren for their own benefit but Iâll make it relatively simple
The old way of keeping The Queers away from their Innocent Straight Children was to turn us into villains so that we would be ashamed of who we really are and hide ourselves and pretend to be The Good Christian Folk nextdoor and not get overly political or loud or different
The new way of keeping The Queers away from their Innocent Straight Children is to turn us into sexless Ken & Barbie stereotypes so we can be ashamed of who we really are and pretend to be The Good Christian Folk nextdoor and not get overly political or loud or different
By sterilizing queerness into something they find more âacceptableâ, theyâre doing the same thing they used to, but now through a lens of âArenât you happy you get what you want? You can get married now! You can hold hands in public! Just make sure not to do any of that other crazy stuff you people get up to and you can stay at the Civil Rights Table :)â, weâre still not âallowedâ to be sexual human beings, itâs just framed in a way that makes us feel like the people shunning us are on our side wile those same people are still in the corner going âJust donât kiss in public ok?â
And I could go On about this for some time but letâs get back to the point-
Queer people are three-dimensional people and we should be allowed to be so, we should be allowed to have characterization outside of The Gay Love Interest and The Gay BFF and The Gay Butler and so on, outside of the stereotypes being imposed on us
Thatâs one of the main reasons I love Yuri On Ice so much, and love Batwoman so much.... and one of the main reasons I love Hannibal and Harley Quinn and Helluva Boss and Killing Eve so much, all of these things star queer characters and queer relationships to different degrees (Batwoman, for example, makes a MUCH larger point and political stance about queerness than, say, Hannibal) and theyâre all about something other than queerness too, the charecters are three-dimensional and theyâre not built around their sexualities or side peices for straight people
And none of them are PUNISHED for their sexualities either
Going back to Castiel earlier, stereotypes are hardly the worst of our worries when Burry Your Gays, Gayngst Induced Suicide, and Gay Guy Dies First are still alive and well- among others
From Frank Nâ Furter in Rocky Horror Picture Show to Tara in Buffy The Vampire Slayer to, oh look, itâs Supernatural again with not just Cas, but also Charlie, and even arguably Dean (but thatâs a much longer story for a much different time) and many many more... sometimes just having any gay charecter live through a franchise is enough on itâs own- setting the bar awfully low there but itâs still hard for a shamefully large amount of franchises to step over
In some cases like Tara, it can be pretty decently argued that the death has little- if anything- to do with queerness, but in examples like Cas and Frank, itâs pretty blatantly obvious, especially when the other queer characters in their respective franchises didnât exactly fair well either....
Matt Baume put it best when he said that until recently, you had to choose if you wanted your only source of representation to be dead or evil, and most people chose evil
Now-a-days thatâs clearly not the case as much but thereâs still a heavy enough flavor of it there- and villains are just part of gay culture, dating all the way back to prohibition, queer people identified as outlaws because we literally were, so pirates and cowboys and other anti-heros and villains became a staple of the culture thatâs still very much alive to this day, thus leading to another point: Identification
Straight people can identify with pretty much whoever they want- from superheros to princesses to any and every kind of villain
Tony Soprano is a horrible, horrible person but is notorious for being beloved among straight white males because heâs a projection of who they want to be- powerfull (and wealthy)
Stolas from Helluva Boss actually presents a pretty similar power fantasy, heâs part of a family who lives outside the larger part of the law, he can kill (nearly) anyone he pleases, heâs physically and socially powerfull, heâs wealthy, he has a nuclear family, he gets to screw around with whoever he wants with the only one taking issue being his wife, the only real difference is that Stolas is queer (and much more fashionable... and pleasant)
Queer people should be allowed to have those power fantasies as much as straight people are
Speaking as a bisexual female myself, I absolutely ADORE Villanelle from Killing Eve, I really donât care that sheâs a bitch or has killed an uncountable amount of people, itâs fun to project on her, and seeing a very flawed woman fall in love and be vulnerable and open herself up to a relationship and get that relationship with another woman is AMAZING to me, that doesnât make the relationship itâs self healthy or good, but itâs still fun to watch and plays further into that identification
I love Korra and Asami from Legend Of Korra, theyâre a sweet, wholesome relationship between two sweet, wholesome characters and I adore them... but Iâm allowed to adore Eve and Villanelle too, even if the relationship is toxic and the characters have baggage and Villanelle is literally a serial killer
Ofcourse enjoying something doesnât make it âgoodâ, I enjoy alot of trash B rated (and C rated) horror movies too, it doesnât mean I think they deserve Oscars (if thatâs really the measuring stick weâre going to use), but I think when it comes to representation, itâs important to distinguish the difference between good queer character and a moral queer character, they just... arenât the same
Light Yagami from Death Note, Bill from Kill Bill, and Joker from Batman are all just... horrible, horrible people, thereâs no doubting that, they are morally terrible... but my god are they fantastic charecters- theyâre interesting, theyâre three dimensional (even if only occasionally in the Jokerâs case), theyâre well written and complex, thereâs a reason why theyâre iconic and why theyâre still talked about decades after their introduction into the world, they are GREAT characters who are morally bad, and characters like Hannibal and Villlanelle are in that boat too, they just so happen to be queer- and thereâs what it all boils down to
People being queer, not queer people
Some of the most beloved examples above like Yuri On Ice and Legend Of Korra are praised for being about people who are queer, people who have stories focused on other things and are just allowed to exist without their sexualities defining them, and the same should be said and appreciated for villains who are queer too
In an age where so much queer-focused media is about tragedy (the period lesbian dramas and Gayngst teen media for example), and so much of it is focused on the same exact aspects of queer life (coming out, dating around, getting or being married, but mostly coming out), itâs great to have characters who just so happen to be queer without those things being the center of their storylines- and without them being canon fodder or the Gay BFF, or being a terrible stereotype from the 90s that just wonât die...
And that by no means is to say you have to like these characters- not at all, there are PLENTY of objectively good/well-written queer characters who I donât like for whatever reason- but to call them bad representation just because theyâre bad people is sweeping ALOT under the rug
And I know Iâve harped alot on avoiding queer-centered storylines like coming out stories and relationship dramas, but those are fine, they have their place just like everything else, really, they just donât need to have the only place- that does a disservice to so many other types of queer stories- for the heroes and the villains, because morality and goodness have nothing to do with oneâs sexuality, just like oneâs sexuality has nothing to do with morality and goodness


















