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I know a lot of ppl will disagree with me, but I don't actually have a problem with people who kin for fun
I mean, we didn't actually invent the word kin, it's been used for thousands of years before us to mean related to or associated with, so I don't really see the problem of an entirely different group using it in a different way.
Yes, I hate that most outsiders will assume otherkin and kff are the same thing (but since when did we care about respectability politics), yes I *hate* being called a kinnie, but who are we to police the use of a word we didn't even invent?
They're just having fun, I promise they're not 'making fun" of the otherkin community, I'm sure most of them don't even know what the otherkin community is. Let them be and stop telling people that they cant make kinists
I am posting this solely for potential discussion and i hope understanding of what the otherkin community is actually saying...
What people have experienced from KFF includes ableism and diluted community. It is about people ignoring our history or outright refusing to listen when we be polite. We have given alternatives.
Our experiences differ greatly, we just want to be able to express that without another community going "no you're wrong, youre just delusional"
I have personally seen it happen.
It isn't about owning words, it's about trying to connect to our own community. Language is needed for that.
I am luckily in a decent mood writing this.
Mod Mae
Oh Stars give me strength…
We did invent the word. Yes, “kin” has been in use to mean related to, but that’s not the word kffs are using. A long time ago the word otherkind was coined to represent our experience, that was shortened to otherkin, which later became common to shorten it to just kin. That’s the word, it’s just a shorter version of the word otherkin, and it’s what the kffs are using.
A while back they saw us and went “damn that’s cringe but I kinda like the concept” so they deliberately took our word in the context we coined it in and bastardized and twisted it to mean what they wanted it to. (A rough re-telling but you get the idea, they got it from us) I don’t hate the concept of kff, and I don’t think most otherkin do, but they need to get their own word, not piggyback off of us.
In addition, you can’t promise anything. No offense but if you’re going to waltz in here and pretend like you know what you’re talking about when you clearly don’t know an once of our history, then you don’t get to proclaim what is and isn’t actually happening. Because I can tell you that they do mean to make fun of us. Yeah, most of them probably don’t know about us (even though they should, if you’re going to enable the bastardization of someone else’s identity, the least you can do is learn the real history of it) those that do are malicious.
On tiktok, kff are relentless on mocking otherkin, and it must be a pretty big movement or I wouldn’t have heard about it because I’m not even on tiktok. We’ve confronted kffs about using an original term and most of them just double down because they don’t take us seriously. There’s half a dozen alternatives to kff floating around the internet right now and none of them have taken off because kffs ignore them, or even in some cases actively reject them just to spite us.
There’s a reason most people will disagree with you on this take, we don’t feel this way for no reason or because we’re paranoid. If they were really “just having fun” we wouldn’t be this worked up. It’s because our experiences prove otherwise. We’ve been targeted and insulted by kff both for reaching out to them and for minding our own business. Please just believe people when they say they’ve experienced these things because it’s very prevalent. Yes, there are a handful of kffs that respect us and know their history and use alternative words, and to those people I wish the best. But the rest of em? Fuck em. We’ll calm down when they calm down.
Overall, please just do your research. And please listen to people when they talk about their horrible experiences with kffs instead of just writing them off as “stop making a big deal they’re just having fun.”
Fully agree with everything that's been said so far, but wanted to point out a few other issues with kff that we've seen personally.
First of all, it makes it VERY hard to tell from a glance if someone's actually serious about their identity or if it's an "I sort of relate to this character" type thing. There's been so many times where we see "kin" on someone's profile in an online game or forum only to later find out they just meant they relate to that character or even just like roleplaying as them. Just say that you're otherhearted or that you like a character, there's no reason to use our word for that.
Secondly, we have personally been told that we're "delusional" just because of our identities. We've been told "wtf? that's not what kin is, it means relate/like" when we explain what being otherkin is. We've seen people be banned from dozens of discord servers just for saying that being kin isn't a choice. You can't promise that stuff's not happening when it's a common lived experience in this community.
Hell, even our plurality has been put into question because of kff. "You're not a real system, you're just a kinnie". Because anything with "kin" in it just means "roleplay" to a lot of people since it's unfortunately the more viral definition, so when a sysmed catches wind that an endogenic system is also otherkin, it's....well we've had very not nice things sent to us, and the blame for that falls on not only the sysmeds but the kinnies that ruined our terminology and made us a bigger target.
Not to mention TikTok seemingly fully believing that kff is the "real kin" and that WE STOLE THEIR WORDS. That's a take I've seen in at least 2 videos and we're not even on TikTok. They honestly think they started the kin community and we ruined tumblr for them by stealing their words and that's why they moved to TikTok, to get away from the "crazy people that believe they're really their kins". TikTok has actually labelled us "tumblr kin", when the otherkin community used to call kff "tumblr kin" before "kff" caught on.
Literally nobody cares that they're having fun with their identities, good for them, you roleplay to your heart's content. But trying to destroy our community in the process is not how they should be doing it.
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1st one was answered Here [Link]
3. What type of predator are you? parasitic, pursuit, ambush, psychological ect.
As I always say, it changes, but always stays in the same spectrum of specific behaviors. Most of the time it's a pursuit predation, especially the Persistence Hunting type, as I continue chasing until the prey falls to the ground. Sometimes it changes to the specific type. Ambush, with a shadowy tendrils, hypnotizing like a cuttlefish does, or as a Siren with an silent voice, just leaving the prey confused so much. I would love to also speak about sparkeater type since it's not really... any type tbh. It's like eating the soul and heart at the same time, huh.
6. Do you do anything with kills besides just eating them? collecting bones, a graveyard for remnants, burying it for storage, studying or soul absorption?
I did collect bones and feathers, when I got a chance, though this is a rare occurrence. Most of the time there's nothing left of the body, or I just leave it as it is since... apart from spark I don't really need anything. Dovah would leave corpses to rot on it's lair to show everyone around what would happen to those who meet me.
7. You are tied to your environment and labeled as a cryptid by the locals. What would your name be?
The Forest Beast / Shadow Tendril / Abyss Serpent would be the most appropriate, or something along those lines, tbh. It could have been changed into native languages of people living here, or just changed into different words and sentences. Also Sparkeater and The Eel are already a "cryptid" names! Oooh and Glacier/Peak/Mountain Wyvern would sound good.
9. Are you bound to an object or do certain objects attract you?
Not exactly. It's mostly concepts and places, like shadows, sea, etc etc. Though crystals and objects with specific magic vibes do attract in some way, but it's not strong enough for me to say that it does attract me.
15. What type of enclosure/prison would be required to keep you contained?
Closed room without a door and thick metal walls, simple cage. Chains around a neck and limbs, including tail, with something keeping me from speaking. Idk if anything else will keep me, to be honest. For a leviathan I am too big.
If youre taking part in the ask game rather than archiving i think ask #1 from that would be interesting :)
- a-shattered-goddess
I do! I'm just in a process of moving into another blog, hehe
1. What’s one feature from your kintype that may be considered unsettling or creepy
This one depends on what people see as unsettling or creepy, tbh. It's mostly the human-like features, being in between of uncanny valley and nonhuman. Though that is only for a demon.
Appearance doesn't matter a lot. What matters is what instincts were prominent, and what I did. I don't have a lot of memories and they all are connected to the source, so I can totally say that being partners with a cannibalistic serial killer to the point where I used his eyes for my job as a psychiatrist, and trained him like a dog so that he could not kill me, lmao. Karma got me, don't worry.
People will find gore and war disturbing. My sense of hunger and lust is one of these, but also there's a war that lasted more than a half of entire species' life. The urge to feed, nor being afraid of getting dirty, with the favorite of describing gore in great fucking details.
Oh, and plus the lost now ability to almost hypnotize people, that you are used to create amnesiacs, hehe
Otherkin Horror Ask Game
1. What’s one feature from your kintype that may be considered unsettling or creepy 2. Do you study other’s or do other’s study you? 3. What type of predator are you? parasitic, pursuit, ambush, psychological ect. alternatively, What type of prey are you? camouflage, stamina, speed, misdirection 4. any hunting neomata or memories? Do you have any instincts about being hunted or hunting? 5. What’s one defensive maneuver your kintype will do to ward off potential predators or rival animals. Alternate question for less primal types, Do you have a protocol or set rules to defend yourself from danger 6. Do you do anything with kills besides just eating them? collecting bones, a graveyard for remnants, burying it for storage, studying or soul absorption? 7. You are tied to your environment and labeled as a cryptid by the locals. What would your name be? Ex: The Green river black panther or Swamp Panther 8. How would you clean blood off of yourself? Is it annoying or enrichment? 9. Are you bound to an object or do certain objects attract you? (ex: demons bound to books, animals to blood, ect) 10. How does your kintype view death? 11. What would be an omen that may symbolize your kintype someone may come across? 12. What weather conditions are optimal for you to survive being hunted 13. Do you have any horror movies, lore, or media that reminds you of your kintype? 14. Could you survive your kintype in an attack if you are in a human body? 15. What type of enclosure/prison would be required to keep you contained? 16. As your kintype what’s something you think is stupid about humans feature and or behaviour wise? I tried making this one more humanoid, fictionkin friendly let me know how i did regarding that please!
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About what age did you "figure out" you're alter/nonhuman? (You dont have to have known what you are, nor have interacted with other alter/nonhumans)
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21-25 Years
26-30 Years
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36-40 Years
41-45 Years
46+ Years
More ages to follow; if you see only this post/poll, check the reblogs for an expansion poll!
What’s the term for kff that isn’t kin?
Like you identify with the character because you relate to them not because you are them.
Otherhearted or synpath (often treated more or less as synonyms) may both work, both being terms for strongly identifying with, but not as, something! Constelic may also work, depending, and the terms "clicking" and "cir/cirrie" were both coined specifically to replace "kinning" in the sense of "kinning for fun."
Some links about at least the first two of these:
On the difference between constels and kintypes for one individual with both
A list of typical experiences for various alterhuman identities (note typical, not required or universal), including both kintypes and hearttypes, and questioning advice
A short essay on one person’s experiences as indoraptorkin, along with a comparison to being fictionhearted
My "otherhearted" tag
My "constelic" tag, which is unfortunately far less populated
...Hopefully that helps out, and isn't completely overwhelming? ^^;
this is pretty useful
click titles for coining posts and more concise definitions Table Of Contents Alternate Terms to Use Instead Of Kinning But Why Do We Need N
THANK YOU I COULDN'T FIND THAT FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHEN I REPLIED TO THIS ASK
Also consider: Relating to characters is normal. Characters (especially protagonists) are tools created with the express purpose of being understandable/relatable.
Does your relationship with the character somehow tie into your self-perception, identity, development, and/or the way you interact with the world? Then it might be an alterhuman experience.
What’s the term for kff that isn’t kin?
Like you identify with the character because you relate to them not because you are them.
Otherhearted or synpath (often treated more or less as synonyms) may both work, both being terms for strongly identifying with, but not as, something! Constelic may also work, depending, and the terms "clicking" and "cir/cirrie" were both coined specifically to replace "kinning" in the sense of "kinning for fun."
Some links about at least the first two of these:
On the difference between constels and kintypes for one individual with both
A list of typical experiences for various alterhuman identities (note typical, not required or universal), including both kintypes and hearttypes, and questioning advice
A short essay on one person’s experiences as indoraptorkin, along with a comparison to being fictionhearted
My "otherhearted" tag
My "constelic" tag, which is unfortunately far less populated
...Hopefully that helps out, and isn't completely overwhelming? ^^;
this is pretty useful
click titles for coining posts and more concise definitions Table Of Contents Alternate Terms to Use Instead Of Kinning But Why Do We Need N
THANK YOU I COULDN'T FIND THAT FOR THE LIFE OF ME WHEN I REPLIED TO THIS ASK
the “kin for fun” post from a “kffer” : v2
to make a long story short, the old post was very flawed and i’d like to make a better one now that i have more information on alterhumans and am a member of both communities. once again, please correct me if i have anything wrong.
kin for fun folks: we need to change our vocabulary. to be kin is to identify as a certain being, concept, or character; we are not kin with what we call our kins. using the terminology of an already-existing group to mean something entirely different is disrespectful. not all kin say that kff is insulting, but the way i see it, we should be respectful of the ones who do and change what we’re doing.
however, what i used to call kinning is meaningful and important to me, and i doubt most of you want to let go of it either. as a result, i propose the term “cir,” meaning “character i relate (to),” as a replacement(and “cirrie” in place of “kinnie”). this comes from a place within our community, and i hope that will make some of you more willing to use it. if you don’t like this term in particular, i encourage you to come up with your own!
in the old post, i suggested words like otherhearted, fictionhearted, and synpath as replacements, so i want to make it clear that these terms are not synonymous with kff. they represent a deep and strong connection with something nonhuman and/or fictional, not just relating to a character.
tldr: we should move toward using our own terminology rather than taking terms from a community the majority of us are not a part of.
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Coining post
Hi y’all I come bearing gifts in the form of a coining post cause I have started using these terms with my pack and figured I should share.
So i’ve come to introduce
kinixus types
A kinixus identity is an identity that is reactive to it’s environment and trauma and may shift or split off frequently or infrequently (frequent for me)
Ex: your identity is a horse. You get stuck in pichinko hell and now feel your kintype shift a bit to a nightmare or ghost horse. After the trauma is over or hyper fixation ends. You go back to being a horse but now have access to this “side” of your horse self.
It doesn’t have to be trauma based either a lot of mine stem more so from being borderline. It’s important to note the difference between these identities and say a phantom shift is that it is a full identity with its own contexts and backgrounds. It stems from one main identity but each subsequent identity is unique and has depth in its own right.
So terms!
Adixtype-
the root or main identity. This is the identity that your other types are stemming from
Ramustype-
this is a “branch” type something that is morphed or comes from your adixtype. Such as a horse turning into a nightmare. The nightmare would be a ramustype.
Finistype-
this is a morph from a ramus type. The “leaf” of the tree (it doesnt have to be the end for sure though lol) these identities are still connected to the adixtype but maybe in a more disconnected or distant way or these types stem from a ramus type.
Ex: horse => nightmare => hellhound
Adixtype => ramustype => finistype
You can take the arrows (=>) as meaning morphed into. So the horse identity morphed into a nightmare from x or y reason. The nightmare identity morphed into a hellhound.
Like all self discovery things your system or how you personally experience this branching may very.
This may help explain to people (like myself) exactly whats going on. If you’ve followed me for awhile you can watch my about me page shift from threatening wolves looking several different ways, to pokemon, to dinosaurs, to dogs. You get the idea. Now i say i am a threatening with ramus and finistypes.
My tree i’ll post once i get home but it helps people understand why one day your a dog tje next day your a dinosaur. But you still consider yourself to be a threatening wolf if asked. While some may be more abstract from others. All my ramus and finistypes i do still see as part of my threatening wolf identity. They may represent something about it. Define something better. I dont consider them completely different kintypes as they come out of my kintype and often these types are exploring something about my threatening wolf identity that I couldnt grasp before or explain to myself without making it its own unique experience.
I also really think it may be a unique thing to people with unstable identities? But im not gonna fully claim that lol.
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I did a thing again
I know there's a lot of stuff regarding KFF, and the like. It's an offensive term, but there's a lot of well meaning people who are using those terms. So I kinda took a second to make one myself, and see how it comes out.
Lith
A lith is a person who takes large interest in, and/or relates to a object, animal, character, deity, etc. Liths tend to take a creative approach with this bond they have and make art, names, pronouns/genders, and more regarding this interest. It's not super serious, you can do it for coping or for fun.
Here these flags, can't decide on which one to use so have fun
And here's a symbol
Idk if this is a good term idea or anything so this might not work but if it does then uh yay.
Here's how to use it:
A lith- "I'm a Lith!"
X lith, or Xlith- "I'm a catlith/cat lith!"
Hope this does something but uh okay byebye
There’s an interesting cultural divide between systems and alterhumans I think. In plural spaces it isn’t uncommon for an identity to shift after trauma work or learning new information or just changing in general. While in alterhuman spaces its a sign of being a novice in your identity. It makes me wonder if this notion is rooted in ableism that forces people with unstable identities or identities that shift, to be under a rock or cut off from certain aspects of the community.
My partner was very confused why one alter was named spot but didn’t have any spots as their animal. They used to. But chose to change their appearance because at the end of the day often for most of us in our system what matters more is what animal you are over appearance/ what role you play. It doesn’t matter to go over these details because in real life you play a fake person anyways.
This methodology or perspective wouldn’t really be taken that great in otherkin spaces I think. It doesn’t seem accepted that this is a legitimate option. You can just one day toss the concept of who you are and what you look like and start over again with the new information you have about yourself. Typically if someone has a major shift they’re expected to explain why it happened. Typically “i just felt like it” isn’t an acceptable approach and might even be misinterpreted as kinning for fun.
Thoughts?
I'm not sure if it's ableism or not necessarily, but it's definitely misguided and I think speaks to a lot of heavy reliance on respectability politics. "See, we know we're really real because we don't just keep making up new things, it's not a phase!"
Except, things change all the time. Identity things change all the time. There's no reason for nonhuman identity to be any different. Sure, for some people it'll be stable for pretty much ever because it's all happening on a spectrum, but for some, why wouldn't it change? Psychology changes over the course of a lifetime so psychological kintypes could change. Spiritual beliefs and knowledge change over the course of a lifetime too. Spiritual kintypes can change. I've got a friend who was a dragon until after a lot of IRL stuff happened and she energetically shed her scales, and boom, she was something else entirely after that. And it wasn't that she was wrong about being a dragon, either. She was one all the way until she wasn't one. It just be like that sometimes.
Honestly, I've come to think that believing you've got it all figured out forever after is way more likely to be novice behavior, much moreso than being willing to accept the uncertainty of new things happening with your identity. And it's not like anyone is owed an explanation either. I think "I just felt like it" really should be good enough, considering how personal identity can be.
There’s an interesting cultural divide between systems and alterhumans I think. In plural spaces it isn’t uncommon for an identity to shift after trauma work or learning new information or just changing in general. While in alterhuman spaces its a sign of being a novice in your identity. It makes me wonder if this notion is rooted in ableism that forces people with unstable identities or identities that shift, to be under a rock or cut off from certain aspects of the community.
My partner was very confused why one alter was named spot but didn’t have any spots as their animal. They used to. But chose to change their appearance because at the end of the day often for most of us in our system what matters more is what animal you are over appearance/ what role you play. It doesn’t matter to go over these details because in real life you play a fake person anyways.
This methodology or perspective wouldn’t really be taken that great in otherkin spaces I think. It doesn’t seem accepted that this is a legitimate option. You can just one day toss the concept of who you are and what you look like and start over again with the new information you have about yourself. Typically if someone has a major shift they’re expected to explain why it happened. Typically “i just felt like it” isn’t an acceptable approach and might even be misinterpreted as kinning for fun.
Thoughts?
i think its less about ableism, and more about established history.
in the otherkin/therian communities, a stable nonhuman identity has historically been seen as knowing where instincts, insights, and understanding of the foundations of one's identity comes from. learning more about one's self and understanding how their own personal history interacts with their sense of self, and thus how they got to their conclusion, is what those communities focus on. thus, otherkin/therian arent looking at how their identity shifts in new ways (in regards to their nonhuman identities).
on the flip side, in plural spaces, the sense of self is ever shifting as a understanding of multiple selves is factored in. it's much more transient, there's much less of a focus on what was, and more so what is and what can be. (at least, that's my experience with my own system)
I could see that, it does make me wonder if these common ideals about how to find your kintype could be improved by looking to systems for some instances. I feel like theres a general lack of resource swapping between the two and that could be pretty helpful for the overall community. the cynic in me holds a grudge for traditional grilling I think. A tad biased as always lol.
I absolutely agree! I found out so much more about myself and my kintypes when looked at them through the lense of my system and system experiences. there is so much the 'kin community could learn from the plural community
We’re at it again boys.
Recently saw a post saying that seeing “low kins” in someone’s kinlist is a red flag that they’re merely KFF and like… I GET why (I am not immune to making such judgments myself), but also, is everybody just ignoring the part of “otherkin”’s most widely-accepted definition that specifically says it’s “identifying wholly or partially” as your kintype?
Like… that feels like something that deserves more pointing out and exploration, I think? The community places so much emphasis on not being remotely human (whatever “human” means) at all, and ngl to me it sometimes seems like a desperate attempt to simplify and render black-and-white things for the sake of being more “valid” to a cruel world that doesn’t understand them. One hollers “I’m completely a wolf in mind and spirit!”, but how much of that is out of desperation to have outsiders see them as their kintype at all? Does it not make one feel sad and invalid if they don’t have a shift in long enough? Feel that they’re not “wolf” enough and might be wrong?
Would someone appear “cringe” if they said they were “half dragon” or “a little bit” of a fox? Probably. But ALL otherkin and alterhumans are that as well, to an outside viewer looking to gawk at a poorly-understood subculture.
Are there too many KFF folks out there making fakey kinlists of every character and species they relate even a little to? Yeah, probably, but that shouldn’t be a reason to completely brush off those who may fit more into the “partial” definition of an otherkin identity. It really is a facet of otherkinity that seems to be ignored a lot in favor of being completely something, and it deserves more respectful documentation so we can all be less confused and more understanding of it.
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Do any other dragons or similarly long-life-span-species otherkin grapple with severe thanatophobia?
Living life as a human with a nonhuman identity is much harder when that identity belongs to a species that wouldn’t be considered old until a comma appeared in their age number.
This body can go 2 to 3 digit numbers maximum before it dies. I will live less than a tenth of the lifespan that both my brain and my soul are convinced are owed to them.
I’ve grappled with thanatophobia as a child and as an adult, before and after realizing I was nonhuman. And I have never been able to reconcile it. If anything, aging has made it worse, and therapy or benzos haven’t even helped so far.
I guess my last plea is to at least know someone else understands the fear, and my reason for it
A fear of death is a healthy human trait, but feeling like your lifespan has been reduced to a mere 10% of its original length and being anxious because of it, perhaps less so.
Yes, I also get that. I feel like I'm running out of time to do things because a quarter of my life is gone. And decades move quickly. I feel like I need a couple more centuries.
My family members usually live into their 90s, which I guess is a good thing? As long as it's a productive time for me. But I have a specific phobia of aging.
I’m so sorry to hear you also have a rough time with this too. I was never able to articulate the reason for the fear to people who aren’t also otherkin/alterhuman/etc so it’s always been hard finding tips for alleviating it, which I find unfortunate. Hopefully time makes my priorities change enough that it doesn’t seem like such a looming threat anymore - that’s what I’ve always been told by older folks, but it’s hard to say if there’s merit to it or not, hah.
While I wish no one else ever had to feel this way, it’s a small comfort at least, to know I’m not the only one. :<
Same here. Something I think about far more than I'd care to admit. I don't think my species was immortal by any means, but our lifespans are definitely longer than humans. To be fair, humans have long lifespans as compared to most vertebrates, but it's still stunningly short. As much as it sucks that others feel this way, at least we're not alone!
I’ve read dragon otherkin who wrote about something like that experience before, even in the 1990s. Not in the form of a fear of mortality exactly. More that their perspective about history and time was off the scale in comparison to how human society generally thinks about it.
Quick guide to fictionfolk terminology
Fictionfolk: Any person/being/individual whose identity has a fictional component
Fictomere: The object of ones fictional identity
Fictionkin: A person who identifies as a fictional character, species, object, or concept
Fictionkind: Same meaning as fictionkin. The addition of the 'd' is a kind of cultural signifier, originating from the original spelling of otherkin, otherkind (as in "of an other kind [than human kind]"). The 'd' indicates that you have a general understanding of community history and/or that you take your fictionkinity seriously.
Fictherian: A person who identifies as a fictional animal. A combination of 'fictionkin(d)' and 'therianthrope'.
Fictive: A system member who originates from a fictional universe
Fictionhearted: A person whose identity is strongly tied to a fictional character, species, object, or concept, but who does not identify as their fictomere
Fictotype: A fictionkin(d)'s fictomere
Fictionhood: The state of being fictionfolk
Fictionkinity: The state of being fictionkin(d)
