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re-reading agot. why do you think the blackfish doesn't want to get married? Cat even says he never will.

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art is revealing as opposed to causative of problematic notions. the potential promotion and reinforcement is what becomes a complex conversation to me bc ultimately people still distort and see what they see, what they want to see, because of how they already see things, so how do u reckon with that? do u obsessively try to predict and address anything that could ever be potentially twisted into ammunition for something? maybe even the contrary of what u r trying to say? do u defang and overcorrect everything? do u avoid all risks or give up even trying to grapple something in a challenging and complicated way? i think that kind of thinking will lead to a lot of uninteresting art actually lol
when i think about cerseiās writing⦠whether one feels just schadenfreude, primarily sees comedy as opposed to tragedy, can only see the part that is a perpetrator and not the part that is a victim, is very much dependent on the engager themselves imo, and idk if i am even at a point where i care to hold gurm very accountable for giving āammunitionā for it. if u react like that to a story with stuff like the walk of shame, and all the other things that we see and know, that really does sound like a u problem. and i personally find it more interesting and challenging. but even so, id rather art be flawed and imperfect, as it is revealing in that way too, than toothless and unchallenging and never having the potential to even start any of these conversations, even if just within urself
opinions that make my eye twitch but ppl would rather blame cat for lack of stark lore/heroes and figures when thats just lack of world building from grrm(and everyone in king's landing is famous instead of local) , you could legit say the same thing with dorne except at least they have nymeria to look too, the riverlands its a least mentioned in the story (rainbow knight/jenny of oldstones/danelle lothson ect) but its very much not the fault of the characters (gonna ignore the harry pottering sorting of house stark once again)
It's also complete nonsense, because both Bran and Jon can recite the lords and kings in the crypts backwards and forwards, and no doubt all the other kids can too, they just haven't had a reason to do it on page yet. I mean, if Theon could do it (!!!) why would anyone doubt Sansa can, just because she likes recent hero-knights too?
A lot of the anger, is anger the right word? Maybe resentment is better. The resentment people have towards characters like Bran, Daenerys and Tyrion to an extent is because they occupy a role in the story that is normally regulated to cis, straight, able bodied men. And because of this we see so many theories that are trying to ācorrectā this and put them back in their āplaceā so to speak. Cutting out Tyrions tongue, having bran be taken over by Bloodraven, Dany going crazy or being killed by her lover. All of these theories reinforce the status quo that heroes can go back to being the standard and only look a certain way, act a certain way. Idk maybe im just yapping.
#i think ppl do this w every subversive aspect of the series#<- prev #it's a sort of ouroboros of subversion #they think these things need to happen because they would subvert the narrative expectation #ignoring that the expectation of the traditional fantasy narrative is. already conceptually subverted #'what if we make the fantasy hero a young girl instead of a chosen prince/grizzled man' subverted! #'now what if she goes insane and becomes a power hungry bitch dictator š±' subverted back. #except the former is (or at least was) a spin on the stock fantasy archetype #and the latter is a trope we see all the time to the point that it's a staple of misogynistic ideology #that's not to say I don't think we'll have plenty of subversion to come. but I at least think grrm understands his story and characters #well enough to not throw the existing deconstruction in the garbage (via @hylialeia)

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Post-ASOIAF headcanon: Theon teaches Jeyne Poole archery
do you think Melisandre was appearing to Jon as a glamor of Ygritte in ADWD? If so why, it seems kind of mean or troll-ish?
Here's the passage for reference:
When he turned he saw Ygritte. She stood beneath the scorched stones of the Lord Commander's Tower, cloaked in darkness and in memory. The light of the moon was in her hair, her red hair kissed by fire. When he saw that, Jon's heart leapt into his mouth. "Ygritte," he said. "Lord Snow." The voice was Melisandre's. Surprise made him recoil from her. "Lady Melisandre." He took a step backwards. "I mistook you for someone else." At night all robes are grey. Yet suddenly hers were red. He did not understand how he could have taken her for Ygritte. She was taller, thinner, older, though the moonlight washed years from her face. Mist rose from her nostrils, and from pale hands naked to the night. "You will freeze your fingers off," Jon warned. Jon VI, ADWD
Honestly, I go back and forth on this. There's a perfectly adequate mundane explanation - it's dark, Jon's preoccupied, red hair isn't common. Between the three, Jon sees red hair, his brain goes ping!, then when he takes a closer look he realises nope. That all makes sense.
I'd also note that Mel's never seen Ygritte and in a world without photography can't be sure what she looked like. If Melisandre's using illusions here, it's using Jon's knowledge, which is extra creepy.
On the other hand...
She was stronger at the Wall, stronger even than in Asshai. Her every word and gesture was more potent, and she could do things that she had never done before. Such shadows as I bring forth here will be terrible, and no creature of the dark will stand before them. With such sorceries at her command, she should soon have no more need of the feeble tricks of alchemists and pyromancers. Melisandre, ADWD
How does Melisandre know this? She been doing some road testing of magic on the side, has she? I would absolutely not put using illusions to put Jon off balance past Melisandre. Trolling is the point.
Same from the author, too. Maybe it's magic. Maybe it isn't. GRRM's not going to clear it up for us.
like not to get back onto my bullshit again but i really do think that the loss of Lady and therefor the loss of Sansa's connection to warging can very easily be read as disability subtext.
much like Bran, who's physical form is crippled after Jaime pushed him from a window after He saw Too Much, Sansa's spiritual form is crippled after Cersei asked for Lady's head after She had seen Too Much (Joffrey's outburst and humiliation, Nymeria maiming and biting him after he attacks Arya, etc.) while Bran can no longer walk or climb, which he used to Love to do, Sansa never wargs on page. the other Starklings like Jon, Bran and Arya all possess their direwolves at one point or another in their POVs, and even Robb and Rickon can be read As being wargs despite us never seeing it ourselves, but Sansa's connection to the same magic the rest of her family can do was violently severed. it was a deliberate act of cruelty that not only killed Sansa's pet, but also inherently made her Different, unable to perform the same actions as her siblings learn to, which is also an all too common experience for disabilities uncovered later in life, specifically chronic pains and illnesses, which are otherwise invisible to the plain eye, but are Very much felt by the person themselves.
that's partly why I don't connect to the idea of Sansa warging later on in the books, be it into a wolf pup or a bird. I'd liken the severed connection to nerve damage - it cannot be erased or 'fixed'. it was a horrible thing that happened to a Child that will affect her for the rest of her Life, and the same way the idea of 'fixing' someone for being unable to do something brings a bitter taste to my mouth, this too rubs me the wrong way. naturally, there are different Forms of magic in the word of Ice and Fire, and Sansa could or could not learn to tap into it, but this is a very specific example of something being unchangeably broken, much like Bran was in losing the control of his legs, and altering it for a feel-good story feels weak to Me as a disabled person.
My name is junie b jones and the B stands for back on my bullshit.
but im not tryna derail at all from op because @bastardofharrenhal is spitting straight fire AGAIN. but I would like to hop this train and add to the discussion because disability as a whole when it comes to analysis of this series is severely lacking and the ableism within this community is astronomical. (mine included bc i deadass forgor to mention tyrion in my discussion of physical disability in the series yikes dawg)
Sansa Starkās loss of Lady, and with that, her ability to warg, operates as a thinly veiled metaphor for the experience of the onset of an invisible disability in a world that puts your physical capabilities at the top of the list of your valuation as a human. A sudden, violent, and isolating disconnection from an integral sense of embodiment, autonomy and belonging that people who possess it naturally take for granted because it's never been challenged.
There's something to be said about how the only visibly-identified-as-disabled starkling is Bran and the violent and visual (we literally watch it happen repeatedly in aching detail) onset of his loss of mobility and autonomy is essentially what awakened his conscious ability to warg (that, and Jojen + Meera as guidance who are also part of the visible disability narrative but this is about sansa ok)
I've talked alot about how Sansa is the only starkling who was physically severed from her culture and her identity and -- for the most part -- barred in the narrative from ever getting in touch with it again. Being disabled is part of her culture, part of her identity, and she can't even look that fact in the face. To me, sansa reads on page as suuuuuuuuch a neurodivergent queer disabled theatre kid that it's so difficult to see her as anything else. The justice complex? The obsession with doing things right? The insistence on clarification? Fixations on routines and predictability? The almost sterile repetition of courtesies and social reciprocity? Baby girl is neurospicy, removed from any support system, abused and beaten and sexually assaulted, othered in a foreign land with different customs and cultures, and she has no say in it.
When someone becomes disabled, specifically through an invisible condition like chronic pain conditions, sensory loss, or a neurological difference, they often experience a fracture in their sense of embodiment. The body (or mind) ceases to respond in the way it once did. The world continues to move around them as if nothing has changed, while inside everything has.
Sansaās separation from Lady reflects this feeling of isolation. Her siblings still feel their wolves with those instinctive connections and heightened senses, while Sansa moves through life missing something she cannot name but gravely still feels.
This is a sort of mental texture of invisible disability: a constant estrangement from what everyone else around you seems to experience effortlessly. Itās not inherently visible, so others rarely acknowledge it even when we force them to look directly at it, but it shapes our every interaction with the world.
i mean think of the social aftermath of Ladyās death. Sheās marked by absence of so much, even among her own family. Others view her as lesser, softer, more naive, when really!!! sheās simply trying to survive without the naturally occurring anchor everyone else still has. It's overwhelmingly alienating, and that's without adding the contributing factors of her physical loss of family and the abuse she endures at the hands of the lannisters.
how sansa exists in this world after the loss of Lady shows how invisible disabilities are often perceived socially as a failure of will, or a personal flaw, or a burden on others who can just get over it or always willing to offer a "Well, have you tried [xyz]?" treatments, rather than an integral or existential loss of a necessary portion of the human existence. If you can't be exceptional in your disability, then you're useless in the eyes of a society that focuses inherently on what your body can offer in profit, not what you can contribute to community. ("Even Helen Keller could fly a plane! Why do you need preferred seating?" - actual quote from someone i used to work for when I reminded them that I am deaf)
Sansa is expected to perform normalcy in a world that has violently stripped away all of her core supports.
Thereās also a vicious irony here: Ladyās death is imposed upon her as punishment-- just like Yeva said above! It wasn't fate. What killed Lady was a corruption of power, and cersei's sick obsession with her lack of a penis and therefore power in an overwhelmingly male-centric society (Freud has entered the chat but I have already banned him and his sock puppets don't worry about it) Itās a patriarchal act of enforced docility. That too sheds some light on the experience of disability in a society where your autonomy is often curtailed by systems or people who claim to āknow best.ā (In this sense, an argument can be made that sansa could also act as an analog for the intersex experience, I would love to see that write-up and I am grossly inexperienced and uneducated on the intersex-lens, so if anyone does that tag me!!!)
What makes Sansaās arc within the narrative so remarkable 2 me as a disabled person is that she learns to live through her loss, not by regaining what was taken-- Not by any means!!! She doesn't replace her loss of a limb so to speak, but transforms herself around it. She becomes delicately attuned to the subtleties of human behavior through her abuse, reading tone, power dynamics, and social complications with preternatural precision. Where her siblings rely on instinct, she cultivates social intelligence as survival.
This adaptation 2 me reflects how many people with invisible disabilities can develop heightened sensitivities [sic], awareness, and creative adaptation strategies to cope and navigate a world not built for them-- and most the time vehemently against them. (For example, being deaf has made me more visually aware of my surroundings. I cannot rely on my lack of a sense for survival, so I have adapted to the best of my ability through experience and practice to rely in the same way on another, easier-to-access-for-me sense!) Her warging is not gone in the literal sense (but I agree with Yeva that if we ever see her warg into another animal sansa's arc would feel cheapened to some degree) itās transmuted. She learns to āwargā into her environment instead of an animal.
To live politically, socially, and emotionally with a sharpened inner sight.
If branās story is about transcendence through connection, Sansaās is about transcendence through disconnection. Now, i use the term transcendence loosely here because we shouldn't be putting pressure on disabled people to be exceptional. You can be disabled and just...a dude. a guy, if you will.
And that's exactly what sansa is doing. She's just being a little guy. a little dude. living with the trauma of her abuse, her disability, the violence of it all on top of being removed from her culture and forced into a different idenity that metaphorically hacked off her limbs so she could fit in that perfect little box that was premade for her generations prior to her birth simply by the nature of her birth status by gender, by lineage, and by ableist expectations.
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like I mentioned in the OG post, when it comes down to it, Sansa's loss of Lady is functionally the same as the severance of a nerve. it is invisible to the eye, but both lead to a feeling of numbness in an area you can no longer control. the limb is there, mind you, you aren't visibly disfigured, but its more of a meat puppet than a tool you can use. and its still as traumatic as losing your actual limb! people simply value it differently because they cannot see the pain and discomfort you are going through.
that is partly why Sansa's reaction to Lady's death feels very natural and obvious to me, and why the broader fandom viewing it as an overreaction isn't surprising, but disappointing. in a single cruel swoop, Sansa lost use of the metaphorical limb that was Lady. visually Sansa is fine, all her arms and legs are intact and she herself wasn't hurt, but a crucial part of her Was taken away, one she could not use at the moment, mind you, but was still connected to her like your thumb is connected to your hand. it wasn't just a child losing a beloved pet, which is cruel by itself, but a child losing a Function, which they do not know of, but can Feel.
the fact is, that her lashing out after Lady's death is the Least she could've done. she blamed Cersei and she blamed Joffrey, but because they were to be her new family once she married, she had to force herself to redirect said anger somewhere, and Arya was Right There, and it wasn't Arya that was maimed, it was Sansa. Lady (and Sansa) did nothing wrong (neither did Arya mind you), but were punished anyhow in a needless display of power from Cersei after her demands for further retribution are dismissed by Robert. there's a reason Ned likens Sansa's pleading to Lyanna's in the moment, when she was at the literal death's door, and Sansa was about to lose a part of herself even if Ned didn't know it.
in Lady's execution, Sansa was crippled and forced into the role of the Little Bird even further, the perfect, demure, weak little lady who could not defend herself, not like Robb with Greywind or Jon with Ghost. it was not an act unlike to the European fairytales of chopping off a princess's feet to keep her in a tower.
Ultimately, Sansa isn't a one to one portrayal of disability, but she experiences the exact same things that a person With invisible disabilities would in her position. Much like Tyrion's chronic pains, we wouldn't know of it unless we read her chapters Because she has learned to adapt and mask, much like actual people.
personally? i enjoy being a fan of characters who have done Wrong. i like when a character is not a perfect victim, has hurt people, has transgressed, has done bad things. sometimes its nice to feel the sting yknow? and to recognize that a character is not a flawless perfect victim, but is deserving of understanding and compassion anyway. a lot of people in fandom refuse to let go of moral absolutism and its... rough.
great now name a female character you feel this way about in the next 30 seconds or another hostage dies
I just wanted to comment on the appearance thing but Brienne and Tyrion were characters I strongly related to when reading in a way I haven't been much able to in most fiction. Not that it's a bad thing for a character to be unrelatable (many of everyone's favourites are nothing like them) but I hadn't ever seen Pretty Privilege⢠put down on paper before.
As an unconventional/masc, hetero woman in a "rough" man's profession, Brienne moreso hits a spot inside me I didn't realise was hurting. I especially felt the pain of being a romantic and knowing that you're just not a common man's "type". Even when someone makes a comment on my appearance positively these days, I tiredly wait for a punchline or true insult or the reveal it was a dare. I don't get flattered, I get frightened. Even her being compared to a bear struck a personal chord of "oh, me too".
And that's why the genderswapped Beauty and the Beast means a lot to me. Reckoning with the fact you'll never get "your prince" isn't a fate I'd wish on any little girl. You're right that Brienne *is* a miracle character and there's at least one woman who is so glad she was written.
right I do think that so much of the female experience is missed by just telling stories about beautiful women. how many ppl are generational beauties, and even counting them, who tf feels beautiful all the time, all of their lives. beautiful ppl overrepresented in media to insane extents. and I will note that even GRRM is guilty of this because Brienne is not just his only ugly female POV, but the only one who isnāt actively described as pretty.
but I really donāt think Iām going too far to say that Brienne as a depiction of female ugliness is kind of revolutionary. I canāt think of another character that even compares. my relationship w femininity has been a bit more like Aryaās I think, but I donāt think oneās experiences even have to match Brienneās for that representation of ugliness to mean something. Iām p sure all women, to varying degrees, have felt ugly at some point in their lives, and seeing Brienne as such positive representation of a woman who meets no beauty standard and yet is such a powerful character and indeed a romantic heroine is like. it truly hits. the video I mentioned in that Brienne post points out how loathe we all are to actually acknowledge and talk about and not just accept but celebrate ugliness, and Brienne has been and continues to be an incredible vessel for making that conversation happen, and in a productive way and with empathy.
anyway. I love what she means to you!! and it still blows my mind that she was such a rare character back when she was first written, and still continues to be in this next wave of feminism. wtf

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I know Edmure is considered the family joke by Cat, but I do truly think he'll be the Tully to survive the war BECAUSE of how he shares his castle with his peasants and because of the concern he has for his people.
ultimately the characters foreshadowed to survive the long night are those who are adaptable and willing to explore new ways forward in the wake of disaster instead of clinging to traditions. Asha Greyjoy realises that the Old Way won't work and argues for a new way forward. Arianne Martell shows a flexibility and a willingness to adapt that her father Doran does not, and is not consumed with the course of revenge and the throne. And Edmure Tully shows a compassion towards the common people that has been sorely been lacking in the Riverlands in the wake of war, where smallfolk were murdered, raped, pillaged, etc. by many sides of the war.
@mummersknight no way youāre hiding this gem in the tags ?? arya underfoot could be any one of those children ?? how am I supposed to be normal about this ??
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if dany does survive the end of the series, the only ending i would want for her, the ending i think would make her truly happy, as unrealistic as it may be, is dany becoming a sailor like she dreamed of when she was a little girl, living free and exploring the world and the sea with her dragons and her found family, building (metaphorically or not) the house with the red door and the lemon tree wherever she wishes, in essos or even the ship itself. and i know this will never happen, but i like to imagine this alternate universe where dany is free to have the life she desires without the burden of her name & her duty as a queen and a liberator, a universe where sheās free to live as the young girl she is
lol i did always think that the madness layer w dany is only really functional to me in a john brown way
i am very curious about how this will be handled
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reading adwd for the first time and the lost lord is one of the most upsetting asoiaf chapters iāve read so far. jonconās story is essentially not his story, right. itās the story of the son of the man he loved, and also, ultimately, a story about hiding. joncon disguises himself, and faegon, lemore and tyrionāall for a greater purpose of getting young griff onto the iron throne. but we also see how he hides things that serve no purpose at allāsave keeping him from being utterly alone. jonconās story as a gay man is hinted subtly (as most queer identities in asoiaf are) but the lost lord does not shy away from how much he loved the men heās lost (rhaegar and myles) and how much he feels responsible for both their deaths (despite it not really being his fault at all). itās hard for him to deal with the impotence those tragedies project into him, so he takes control back by blaming himself. he canāt control who he loves, either. that ought to be his fault, too. and now heās sick with a thing, an evil thatāll take control of his limbs and his lungs and his heart. utter madness as the fate for someone so adamant on affirming their control. thatās brutal. thatās insane.
greyscale as a disease usually reminds me much more of leprosy in terms of symptoms but in the specific context of jon conningtonās story, the hiv allegory feels very intentional. how cruel to see griff blame himself for his loversā deaths. how monstrous to have him see the skull of a friend hanging from the walls when he knows he doesnāt have much time left. he counts the months and years. he grabs the pieces the men he loved left behind when they fell apart. two years. time enough to cross the sea as myles toyne dreamt. maybe five. time enough to put rhaegarās son upon the iron throne. some stone men live for ten. yeah, of course jon connington wears gloves. itās the greyscale, obviously. but also that heās gay and angry and grieving. because heās trying to bury every single one of these things down. itās because of rhaegar and myles and loss and loneliness, too. being surrounded by community and not really belonging to it.

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Theon with an octopus plushie
love how literally the only compliment anyone ever gives Theon is that he's brave. everyone thinks he's varying degree of pathetic loser but! he is no craven. ANd yet cowardice is one of Theon's defining personal traits, the thing driving his actions for most of ACOK. then you get to ADWD and Theon gets hit with
right before he does literally the bravest thing anyone has ever done in the series, don't @ me