Appendix A: An Imagined and Incomplete Conversation about āConsciousnessā and āAI,ā Across Time
Every so often, I think about the fact of one of the best things my advisor and committee members let me write and include in my actual doctoral dissertation, and I smile a bit, and since I keep wanting to share it out into the world, I figured I should put it somewhere more accessible.
So with all of that said, we now rejoin An Imagined and Incomplete Conversation about āConsciousnessā and āAI,ā Across Time, already (still, seemingly unendingly) in progress:
RenƩ Descartes (1637): The physical and the mental have nothing to do with each other. Mind/soul is the only real part of a person.
Norbert Wiener (1948): I donāt know about that āonly real partā business, but the mind is absolutely the seat of the command and control architecture of information and the ability to reflexively reverse entropy based on context, and input/output feedback loops.
Alan Turing (1952): Huh. I wonder if what computing machines do can reasonably be considered thinking?
Wiener: I dunno about āthinking,ā but if you mean āpockets of decreasing entropy in a framework in which the larger mass of entropy tends to increase,ā then oh for sure, dude.
John Von Neumann (1958): Wow things sure are changing fast in science and technology; we should maybe slow down and think about this before that change hits a point beyond our ability to meaningfully direct and shape itā a singularity, if you will.
Clynes & Klines (1960): You know, itās funny you should mention how fast things are changing because one day weāre gonna be able to have automatic tech in our bodies that lets us pump ourselves full of chemicals to deal with the rigors of space; btw, have we told you about this new thing weāre working on called āantidepressants?ā
Gordon Moore (1965): Right now an integrated circuit has 64 transistors, and they keep getting smaller, so if things keep going the way theyāre going, in ten years theyāll have 65 THOUSAND. :-O
Donna Haraway (1991): Weāre all already cyborgs bound up in assemblages of the social, biological, and techonological, in relational reinforcing systems with each other. Also do you like dogs?
Ray Kurzweil (1999): Holy Shit, did you hear that?! Because of the pace of technological change, weāre going to have a singularity where digital electronics will be indistinguishable from the very fabric of reality! Theyāll be part of our bodies! Our minds will be digitally uploaded immortal cyborg AI Gods!
Tech Bros: Wow, so true, dude; that makes a lot of sense when you think about it; I mean maybe not āGodsā so much as āartificial super intelligences,ā but yeah.
90ās TechnoPagans: I mean⦠Yeah? Itās all just a recapitulation of The Art in multiple technoscientific forms across time. I mean (*takes another hit of salvia*) if you think about the timeless nature of multidimensional spiritual architectures, weāre alreadyā
DARPA: Wait, did that guy just say something about āUploadingā and āCyborg/AI Gods?ā We got anybody working on that?? Well GET TO IT!
Disabled People, Trans Folx, BIPOC Populations, Women: Wait, so our prosthetics, medications, and relational reciprocal entanglements with technosocial systems of this world in order to survive makes us cyborgs?! :-O
[Simultaneously:]
Kurzweil/90ās TechnoPagans/Tech Bros/DARPA: Not like that. Wiener/Clynes & Kline: Yes, exactly.
Haraway: I mean itās really interesting to consider, right?
Tech Bros: Actually, if you think about the bidirectional nature of time, and the likelihood of simulationism, itās almost certain that thereās already an Artificial Super Intelligence, and it HATES YOU; you should probably try to build it/never think about it, just in case.
90ās TechnoPagans: ā¦Thatās what we JUST SAID.
Philosophers of Religion (To Each Other): ā¦Did they just Pascalās Wager Anselmās Ontological Argument, but computers?
Timnit Gebru and other āAIā Ethicists: Hey, yāall? Thereās a LOT of really messed up stuff in these models you started building.
Disabled People, Trans Folx, BIPOC Populations, Women: Right?
Anthony Levandowski: Iām gonna make an AI god right now! And a CHURCH!
The General Public: Wait, do you people actually believe this?
Microsoft/Google/IBM/Facebook: ā¦Which answer will make you give us more money?
Timnit Gebru and other āAIā Ethicists: ā¦Weāre pretty sure there might be some problems with the design architectures, tooā¦
Some STS Theorists: Honestly this is all a little eugenics-yā like, both the technoscientific and the religious bits; have you all sought out any marginalized people who work on any of this stuff? Like, at all??
Disabled People, Trans Folx, BIPOC Populations, Women: Hahahahah! ā¦Oh youāre serious?
Anthony Levandowski: Wait, no, nevermind about the church.
Some āAIā Engineers: I think the things weāre working on might be conscious, or even have souls.
āAIā Ethicists/Some STS Theorists: Anybody? These prejudices???
Wiener/Tech Bros/DARPA/Microsoft/Google/IBM/Facebook: āSouls?ā Pfffft. Look at these whackjobs, over here. āSouls.ā Weāre talking about the technological singularity, mind uploading into an eternal digital universal superstructure, and the inevitability of timeless artificial super intelligences; who said anything about āSouls?ā
RenĆ© Descartes/90ās TechnoPagans/Philosophers of Religion/Some STS Theorists/Some āAIā Engineers: ā¦
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Read Appendix A: An Imagined and Incomplete Conversation about āConsciousnessā and āAI,ā Across Time at A Future Worth Thinking About
and read more of this kind of thing at: Williams, Damien Patrick. Belief, Values, Bias, and Agency: Development of and Entanglement with "Artificial Intelligence." PhD diss., Virginia Tech, 2022. https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/handle/10919/111528.













