Protocol is actually just us Magnus Archives fans rapidly descending into s2-Jon-levels of paranoia. Granted, just like s2 Jon, we have reason to be paranoid, but it's still hilarious to see us all collectively scaling the walls of our enclosure while frothing at the mouth over our theories.
Jonny and Alex are playing us like a cheap harmonica and I'm so here for it
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watching hollow crown richard ii. ben wishaw does act like a wet cat. not in the sense that he's bad, he just delivers the vibe of a wet cat. yes I'm ten years late to this, this is normal for me.
So youβve seen that clip of David Tennant with long hair tenderly kissing another man from that one production of Richard II, and youβve found yourself wonderingβwait, was that real?
This is one of Shakespeareβs historical plays, after all; Richard II was a real guy. Did that actually happen? Was he actually queer?
It certainly seems to be a pattern in the theatre. Productions loves to lean in to Richardβs queerness, whether that be with hair extensions and gold nail polish, or by casting a nonbinary Richard while setting the play in the midst of the AIDS epidemic. Theyβll literally make the character slip his cousins tongue to get the point across. So, is there any actual historical basis to it, or did some director just go balls to the walls with artistic interpretation and everyone else took notes?
In other words:
Is it just a queercoded tragedy, or did a queer code this tragedy??
Those of you who have some historical background are probably expecting me to shove Robert de Vere in your face and come out (no pun intended) with a resounding YESβand donβt worry, weβll get to himβbut first, I need to establish some things.
(This is gonna be a long one. Hereβs your cut.)
Firstly: No, Richardβs perceived queerness does not originate from the theatre. It doesnβt even originate from Shakespeare. His legacy has been almost inextricably linked with queerness forβ¦ approximatelyβ¦ hold on, let me check my watchβ¦ oh yes, 625 years. In the cultural zeitgeist, Richard has always been queer, so this is a matter that goes way beyond the whims and artistic interpretations of a modern, progressive society.
Secondly: letβs talk about what it even meant to be βqueerβ in the Middle Ages (14th century England, specifically).
Hereβs the thing. The concept of sexuality as part of someoneβs inherent identity is kind of new. The idea of an individual being βgayβ or βstraightβ didnβt really exist; it was more so a matter of whether or not you engaged in βunnaturalβ behaviours. I also think itβs important to mention that the concept of homosexuality was considered in a purely sexual context in the public consciousness, rather than a romantic one. Today, weβve come to see queerness as an expression of love; back then, and for a long while afterward, it was considered more of a sex crime than anything.
And speaking of sex, youβre probably unsurprised to hear that the 14th century fostered a predominantly sex-negative society; one which extended far beyond condemnations of homosexuality. With the large influence of the church on every day life, the societally acceptable morals and values extensively promoted chastity and virginity. But, to quote the bard, βthe world must be peopled,β and so sex was only acceptable for the purpose of procreation, and within strict boundaries. It could only occur between a husband and wife, in the marriage bed, in missionary.Β
Well, okayβitβs important to mention that, just because those were the rules, it didnβt necessarily mean people followed them. Social norms can only do so much to stop people from bumping uglies, so regular everyday medieval folks werenβt all puritanical by any means, regardless of what their society preached. But I digress.Β
Iβve genuinely seen people argue that, because the concept of βsexualityβ didnβt quite exist back then, identifying historical figures with βqueernessβ is meaningless. I, for one, find that fucking ridiculous.
I mean, sure, forego the modern labels and terminology. But there very much is a way to talk about queerness from the Middle Ages within its historical context⦠because queerness is not a modern invention!
It doesnβt matter that the word for it didnβt exist yet, or that society at large thought it inconceivable or unnatural. At the end of the day, there have always been people that, no matter how much they may have wished it wasnβt so, felt attraction towards others of the same gender; people that fell in love with others of the same gender, people that had sex with others of the same gender. In addition, there have always been people who felt restricted by gender roles imposed on them, and felt that in order to express their true selves, they would have to bend those lines and boundaries.Β
I mean, just look at the Ancient Greeks. Enough said.
Queerness has always existed. And hereβs the thing: people back then knew it too!
For context, letβs consider the legacy of a much more explicitly βqueerβ king from around this same time: Edward II, Richardβs great grandfather (also a play, but by Marlowe). Edward, like Richard, was heavily criticized for keeping his male βfavouritesβ too close. He was deposed in 1327 and replaced by his son, Edward III, Richardβs grandfather and predecessor.Β
One of the reasons his queerness is more prominently discussed than Richardβs is because of the popularity of a little something calledβ¦ the hot poker myth. Iβm sure a couple of you have already heard of this, but if notβ¦ uh, hereβs a trigger warning for homophobic sexual violence. After his deposition, it was widely believed that, while his βfavouriteβ and probable lover was castrated, Edward himself was murdered by having a burning metal poker shoved up his ass. Yβknowβ¦ βpunishment fitting the crime.β
Now, this is probably not true. Probably. But thatβs not the point. The fact that the hot poker myth exists at all is the interesting factor. It doesnβt matter whether Edward liked taking it up the ass or not, what matters is that people THOUGHT he did, and also thought that he should be punished for it. Myths like this donβt exist to actually cover up the truth, they exist as social regulationβto promote whatever lesson society at the time felt the public needed to learn. In this case the lesson was: Gay bad. Donβt do that.
All this to say, you canβt say that because queerness wasnβt considered as part of a personβs identity in Medieval times, that it didnβt exist, that it wasnβt present, and that people didnβt know about it. Sure, it was seen much differently than it is today, but it existed nonetheless, and people were actually very preoccupied with the whole ordeal.
Now I know Iβve already talked a whole bunch, and we havenβt even gotten to the guy this post is about yet. But bear with me, thereβs a third and final thing I have to address: when it comes to identifying historical queerness, what counts as βevidence?β
Because hereβs the thing. A lot of official writings Iβve read on Richard are quick to shut down the notion of him being queer, with their reasoning being along the lines of: βthereβs no explicit evidence that he had sex with men, so he canβt be queer, end of discussion.β In my personal opinion, this leans a little towards a heteronormative bias; like theyβve gone in with the explicit goal of shooting down the rumour, instead of giving it its fair share of consideration.
So, for our purposes, what counts as evidence, then? What is considered queer enough to be undeniably queer? What is the definition of queer, anyway? Is it something objective and concrete, or a concept defined by social norms? A mix of both? Are we judging from the historical societal standard, or ours? Presumably, the end of the spectrum is βhave sex with men,β but though there may be allegations, we canβt actually poke our heads into his bedroom 600 years ago to have a peak for ourselves.
But then thereβs all the other things, the little, more gender-adjacent thingsβlike how so many texts on the man are so intent on emphasizing how unmanly he was, how feminine he was, and correlating that with how it made him a weak ruler. What about that? Where did all that come from, and is that pattern (and the obvious bias inherent in their narratives) not enough to make queerness significant to the conversation?
I canβt answer every single one of those questions, obviously; some of them get a little too into the philosophical nitty-gritty of what queerness is and on what scale you can measure human existenceβ¦ and Iβm not God. Or a philosopher. But this is is the mindset with which I want to go into this discussion:
When talking about queerness in history, we need to leave room for uncertainty, speculationβand the simple acknowledgment of possibility. Queer people have always existed, but they havenβt always had the words to say so, or the safety to make it known. And yet, despite that, their stories still trickle down through the cracks of time, begging to be heard. Even if we never know for 100% certain, we owe it to them to entertain the possibility.Β
Alright, with all that out of the way, letβs finally talk Richard II.
Now I know what youβre actually waiting for me to answer here: goddamn it, just tell us whether he was gay or not! List all the reasons he was definitely fucking Robert de Vere!
Well, everything I already established was to prepare you for the reality of the situation. I canβt give you a definite answer! Not only was the middle ages what experts call a long ass time ago, but also, if he was queer, he definitely wasnβt going around flaunting it, was he? Certainly not with that hot poker myth going around.
But! Thereβs no shortage of accusations, allusions, and possibility. So letβs acknowledge them! (In other words, youβve been very good following my train of thought until now, so you can have some βgay shitβ as a treat)
If youβre unaware of who Robert de Vere is and why I keep mentioning him, he was one of Richardβs closest favourites before the rebellion of the Lords Appellant in 1388 (about ten years before the events of the play). They were very, very close throughout Richardβs youth and early adulthood, and he was granted titles often reserved for princes, such as the Duke of Ireland, which really pissed off the older nobles. In fact, their closeness was believed to be one of the inciting reasons for the rebellion in the first place. When the Lords Appellant came to challenge Richardβs reign, Robert fled the country, and was sentenced to death in his absence, but would die in what was essentially exile in 1392.Β
(If youβve only seen the Shakespeare play and have no idea what the Lords Appellant situation isβ¦ donβt worry about it, just know it was a rebellion much earlier on in Richardβs reign. Surprise surprise! They tried to get rid of that guy more than once. I can make a separate post about it later if anyone wants.)
Chronicler Thomas Walsingham (most of the information we have about events that occurred in history is due to the work of chroniclers like him) accused Richard and Robertβs relationship of being queer, using words such as βobscene familiarityβ and βpolitical sodomyβ to describe them. He also recounted how, when Robertβs body was returned to England for burial, Richard asked for the coffin to be opened so he could gaze upon his face and hold his hand one last time.
And historians will call themβ¦
Well, whatever historians called them, the artists of yore did not agree! Rumours of their relationship werenβt exactly stamped out or ignored in the coming years. We, in our modern society, are not the first people to seriously consider the possibility that they were fucking. There was another historical play from 1595 by the name βThomas of Woodstockβ (sometimes even attributed to Shakespeare, though itβs probably not his) that features Robertβs wife as a character, saying the lines:
βMy husband Ireland, that unloving lord
God pardon his amiss, he now is dead;
King Richard was the cause he left my bed.β
Which is really funny to me, I donβt know why.
Now, there is one big issue with all of this supposed βevidence,β and itβs Thomas Walsingham himself. See, the guy isnβt exactly... an unbiased messenger. In fact, most chroniclers arenβt, which is what makes things tricky. Walsingham really didnβt like Richardβor Robert, for that matterβso itβs not unlikely that he would kind of just make shit up out of anger and distaste. We kind of have to take everything he says with a grain of salt.
Let me clarify something, though. Throughout this entire post, you may have noticed that Iβve been using the word βqueerβ to refer to Richard, instead of more specific terms like gay or bisexual. This is intentional.
For one, Richard had a wife. Not only that, he really fucking loved his wife. He met and married Anne of Bohemia when they were both around 15 years old, and even though it was an arranged marriage, they were very much in love and rarely spent time apart. The marriage lasted for 12 years until Anne died very suddenly in 1394, likely of plague, leaving Richard absolutely inconsolable and utterly hysterical. He ordered the building she died in to be destroyed, and also threw hands with the Earl of Arundel for having shown up late to her funeral. Itβs likely he never truly recovered from her loss. He planned to be buried next to her when he died, a wish which actually wasn't respected until the reign of Henry V, who had him reburied where he wished. The two lie together in Westminster Abbey to this day.
So, obviously, I am being purposefully vague with my usage of βqueer.β Richard evidently was not exclusively homosexual, but his relationship with Anne doesnβt fully discount the queerness of his legacy either. At the end of the day, I am not just debating whether or not Richard liked dick. I am talking about queernessβmeaning not only sexual or gender identity that deviates from the cishet βnorm,β but also just strangeness, oddness, otherness, particularly in sexual and gender presentation.
It doesnβt matter that I think Richard was probably fucking Robert, and it doesnβt matter that others think he wasnβtβwhat matters is that, to society at the time, Richard was seen as queer. And thatβs enough to make queerness relevant to the conversation!
People described him as being very fair (almost excessively so itβs kinda weird) and having a βfeminine faceβ (whatever tf that means).
Many people described him as boyish and childish, compared to the βstrong masculine manly menβ like Henry and his uncles.
He was often vaguely accused of letting βperversionβ run through court. I didnβt find specific elaborations but it feels relevant.
He was extravagant in spending and ceremony.
More than anything, though, he tried very vehemently to put an end to the hundred years war by compromising with France. Think of how unmanly this is; that instead of doing the super noble masculine thing and fighting, he would rather [gasp] compromise.
In place of war, he prioritized the arts in his court. He commissioned many extravagant pieces of art. You can attribute to this time the internal architecture of Westminster Hall, or the poet Geoffrey Chaucer.
To (most) of us, today, you can see how attributing such traits to someone liking dick is honestly kind of fucked up and problematic. But back then, it was deviant enough to be queer, andβwith what you have to assume was the aftertaste of Edward II still lingering in everyoneβs mouthsβpeople just werenβt very tolerant of queer.
Truth be told, Richard really wasnβt that bad of a king, at least compared to other kings. He was honestly just kind ofβ¦ meh. His biggest efforts was spent in trying to end the Hundred Years War, which was rendered meaningless when it kind of charged right back up again after he was gone. In fact, he didnβt even have full power for most of his reign, initially due to his young age but then because of the Lords Appellant. He really only got his power back for the last two years of his reign, when he proceeded to go on a bit of a revenge spree, and was promptly deposed.
But what can be seen as just plain mediocrity actually turned out to be Henry Bolingbrokeβs biggest weapon, used to paint Richard as weak and girly and queer. He used all the previous things I mentioned to build a narrative, to fear-mongerβto prop himself up as the big, proud masculine hero in comparison to his twinky mctwink-face cousin. Itβs not a far stretch to say Richardβs insistence on ending the war had also struck a nerve with other nobles who benefitted from it, and so they joined Henry to further perpetuate this narrative. A narrative that literally stuck for-fucking-ever.
You can even see traces of this narrative-building in the Shakespeare play, when Bolingbroke reads out the charges against Bushy and Green, making it sound like heβs accusing them of sleeping with Richard.
βYou have in manner with your sinful hours
Made a divorce betwixt [Richardβs] queen and him,
Broke the possession of a royal bed,
And stained the beauty of a fair queenβs cheeks
With tears drawn from her eyes by your foul wrongs.β (3.1.11-15)
(There arenβt any real accusations of the real Bushy and Green having a relationship with Richard, but you can see the point that was being made.)
All this to say, Richard has been boiled down to two things throughout history: queer, and a villain. And if you recall with Edward II, itβs not uncommon for people to equate queerness with perceived villainy and punishment as a form of social regulation.
Iβd argue that Shakespeareβs play, if anything, was kind of an exception in this regard, given that Richard is not an outright villain but more of an anti-hero than anything. Thatβs probably why itβs remained such fertile ground for playing with and exploring Richardβs queerness without outright villainizing him (or toeing that line, at least).
So, whatβs our conclusion?
In my own humble opinionβgranted, I am not a scholar, but a gay shit with an internet connection, so keep that in mindβI donβt think βwere they, werenβt theyβ should be our main concern. Itβs worth having a discussion about queerness in the context of Richard II simply because, like Edward II, people perceived him as queer, and used it as an excuse to hate him. Itβs been inextricably linked to his legacy for more than half a millennia and only in the last few years has it been in even a remotely positive light.
Essentially, queerness became the scapegoat on which peopleβs political and social vitriol was placedβ¦ and thatβs not exactly something weβve left in the past, is it? In this context, the topic of conversation becomes less about Richard himself, and more about the way queerness as a subject is treated in the social and political consciousness. The more aware we are of our past and how itβs shaped our present, we become more equipped to guide our future in the right direction.
β¦or something. Thatβs what I took away from it. Iβm sure there are people smarter than me with contradicting thoughts.
When it comes to Richard specifically, the fact that he has been associated with queerness, judged for said queerness (whether or not he actually was), and defamed on the basis of said queerness, is enough to say: yes, his queer depictions have basis in actual history. While we canβt definitively say whether he was schtupping Robert de Vere, itβs possible enough that no one can blame you for having that opinion.
Congratulations, folks:
β¨ a queer did code this tragedy β¨
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I know this was a long one, so if you made it to this point, thank you! I know I teased this post LITERALLY TWO MONTHS AGO and a couple people have been looking forward to it, so sorry it took so long! My long posts are usually analyses of fiction which are a lot easier because I donβt have to worry as much about FACTS and RESEARCH. So this took a hot minute. Either way I hope it lived up to expectations, and if you have any additions or corrections, feel free to add! Once again, I am not an expert, but an asshole with an internet connection. I jolted out of bed at 5 am and wrote the first draft of this post in my notes app like a man possessed, and now Iβm making that your problem.
Anyway, I will answer any questions and concerns to the best of my ability but if you want someone who actually knows what theyβre talking about, give @shredsandpatches a visit.
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Edit: Small spelling mistakes
Edit 2: Included the segment further discussing Anne. I was so focused on the queer shit that I completely skimmed over her, which was really stupid in hindsight, given how relevant she is to the discussion on Richard's sexuality. Also, I removed the segment about Isabella of Valois. After some discussion I decided that situation's a bit too complicated to just tack on at the bottom of an otherwise irrelevant post, so if I want to start discussion about her, I'll make a separate post dedicated to her. Thanks to @skeleton-richard for pointing both things out!
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I have realized that a critical aspect of Bond's characterization (for me, in my own head, in my own fics) is the fact that he doesn't understand how anyone could NOT be down bad for Q.
You DON'T find Q the most fascinating and desirable person imaginable? Sad. Sorry to hear about your bad taste. Get well soon, or whatever. (<- James Bond, probably)
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