forever in disbelief about the constant misinterpretation of the line "it will be easier if he remains heterosexual". because, well, yeah?? everything would be easier for queer people if they were heterosexual?? because society will tear you to shreds for your sexuality and that is a fact, sadly. but also remember what riko did to jean in front of kevin? remember where and who kevin grew up with? he knows first hand the violence that might come from being queer and he doesn't want that for neil. neil who's gonna be in the spotlight all his life- which kevin has been living in for years. you call kevin homophobic, the same kevin who's obsessed with jeremy knox, who went to andrew minyard for protection, who spends his whole time with nicky hemmick. who only warned jean because he knew what riko would do to him. because he had figured out jean liked men and his first instinct was to try to protect him. piss off and leave my queen alone
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"honestly I think every part of the main 5 would struggle with their dicks in some way or another"
Ok but you can't leave this thought unfinished please share with the class
Yeah! I do want to say off the top that every person's is different and a bodies response to trauma varies :)! This got longgggg but like this is literally part of my day job so!
#TW: discussions of SA & its impact! Take care!
PTSD / anxiety can make maintaining/having an erection difficult with all five (Jean, Jeremy, Neil, Andrew, and Kevin) experiencing some form of sexual violence / incest abuse / self harming via sex / grooming / etc in their lifetime.
Plus, the Nest itself was a place of constant and deeply normalized, and I would even say ritualized, sexual violence. Their right to choose and to consent were restricted by Riko's demands, and many would use sexual violence on other Ravens as a form of control / power in the cult. Just being around that even, if you were not a direct victim to it, would impact / traumatize you.
Andrew canonically struggles to see himself as sexual / getting off and enjoying sex. It is noted by Neil that Andrew often left the room after getting Neil off. The one time we see Andrew get himself off on the page, it is pretty explicit that Andrew does not want Neil to look down / see him masturbating. I don't think he enjoys seeing himself as sexual or having sexual desires. He would much rather have sex and have the comfort of "not-a-rapist" (OCD) than focus on his own pleasure or wants.
That said, I also think characters like Andrew and Jean can experience erections when they REALLY don't want one. OCD and intrusive thoughts and compulsions with a layer of unwanted arousal can be hell on the mind and body.
In particular, I think Andrew suffers from Incest OCD featuring intrusive thoughts about his family & him assaulting them. Brothers and families to him were often sexually violent titles & roles, and his body will not unlearn that the moment it is stable and safe. I genuinely believe that first year with Nicky and Aaron were absolutely brutal on him as he waited for the bubble to pop as it always did. Even when they obviously didn't, the thoughts didn't go away. :(
For Jean, I think he can find himself getting hard while in a flashback over his trauma or having "wet dreams" that involve memories of his own trauma. Something that I think would take him a long time to open up about / not feel shame, guilt, and/or disgust about seeing it as his body "wanting it" when that couldn't be further from the truth.
Again, I cannot stress enough that these responses =/= want, interest, or morality of these characters but a biological response. +intrusive thoughts are called that for a reason and do not reflect the person as wanting to have these thoughts or ideas in their head.
In a different way, I can see Neil just not getting hard as his arousal and his relationship to arousal changes day to day. Even the times he does get hard he can sometimes go soft and end things without an orgasm totally satisfied. The intimacy of making out / touching /company / watching a game / etc leaving him more fulfilled than the "end" itself.
Jeremy I can see all sides. I can see him struggling with having an erection during hook ups (Albeit I also think this plays into him rarely seeking sex out of the want for it vs it being a form of self harm / escapism) to getting erect even when he doesn't want it.
Not even touching the trauma of the Banquet and how that impacted his relationship to both himself and sex. He (+his family) view his brother's suicide as his responsibility for being both an addict and a sexually active gay man.
I also would not be surprised if Jeremy has experienced sexual violence at the hands of some of these hook ups (At least canonically a form of intimate partner violence with the bruising on his throat after the banquet) that he dismissed as "part of it" or downplays when others grew worried.
It is very alarming that even IN his internal monologue, we as readers didn't know someone choked him hard enough to bruise until a third party mentioned it. This shows how common these types of injuries by his partner's hands maybe.
As for Kevin, I ascribe to the idea that Riko's abuse of Kevin was sexual with him at least pressuring Kevin sexually (if the EC regarding their first time remains true) to have sex with someone he had no interest in while he (Riko) watched.
This shows a layer of control over Kevin sexually that tracks with what we know of Riko & sexual violence. It was his favorite way to enact power over others and there was no one more under his control than Kevin Day mind, body, and soul. And that's not touching the implications that exist of Kevin's bed having hand cuffs on it and Riko's abuse often being psychosexual in nature even if it did not directly involve "sex" itself.
I think the rare times Kevin would try to get off at Palmetto he would get the invasive thought of "Riko is watching me" and get soft or, more upsetting for him, get harder.
Sometimes while having VERY WANTED sex with his partners he would have to stop because he would feel Riko's eyes on them, watching them, and the idea of Riko seeing something he wants so desperately protect fills him would kill any arousal or interest he felt in having sex at all.
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Me: *thinking about Andrew peacefully enjoying a book after being on drugs for years. Reading glasses on, in comfy pjs(one of neils hoodies), hoodie string in mouth, lounging lazily in bed*
My brain: AND WHAT IF NEIL WAS IN HIS LAP, FACE IN ANDREWS NECK WHILE LIGHTLY HUMPING HIS THIGH MAKING DESPERATE LITTLE NOISES🫲🏼😃🫱🏼
this shit from the comments is unironically so fucking sad to me. this is where we’re at now? “aren’t books supposed to have morals?” genuinely let’s all just pack it in and go home, we tried the whole “experiencing life and art at a greater complexity level than an eight year old can handle” thing and it didn’t work out, somebody break the news to oscar wilde, we’re done here. “books are meant to teach you something.” christ.
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After Kevin and Jean have both gone pro, Kevin turns up to one of Jean's games without telling anyone and watches him play. He had intended on keeping it a secret but once the media catches on that the Kevin Day is there, every time Jean makes an insane play of some sort, the camera immediately pans to Kevin's face to get his reaction to it.
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