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the thing is that i actually like bigotry in media as long as it's interesting. you can pry supernatural's misogyny from my cold dead hands
like the misogyny in supernatural is honestly rather bog-standard male prioritization and female exclusion. it's a female cast of madonnas or whores and nothing in between and for all intents and purposes women are props which only exist for titillation or to care for sam and dean.
what makes the misogyny interesting ultimately is the circumstances of the show, and i doubt mr kripke could ever have conceptualized this himself which only makes it more interesting to me. sam and dean exist in a hypermasculine world, isolated from society and, as a necessary extension, women as a demographic. they have no mother and no consistent feminine presence in their lives. john's hunting buddies, at least who sam and dean are shown to have interacted with growing up, are entirely male (john DOES know female hunters, but these are always "secret" relations that sam and dean don't know aboutâunless i'm forgetting one. the general principle still stands though). they're kept locked in cars and then in motel rooms; i would reckon they had almost no contact with women for a majority of their young childhood, what with how protective and isolating john is toward them.
and isolation and lack of contact disallows the opportunity for people to naturally come to empathize with others, especially those outside of their demographic. without conscious effort to seek humanity in others, there exists a disconnect so long as contact remains minimal. and sam and dean absolutely have minimal contact with not only women but society at large. you can see, implicitly, the way they fall back on the instinct to objectify the people they interact with; unless they see themselves in the victims they help, they expend very little emotional investment in them and are more prone to seeing other people as distinctly outside of them. they are not part of this world, and that world's affairs are of little or even no concern to them.
and this dehumanization is amplified with women: dean, specifically, treats women as prizes to be won and rewards for doing his job. it's something that keeps him hunting, and he is a character that indulges in hedonism and aesthetic pleasure for want of a community. he can continue hunting because he has extrinsic motivators pulling him forwardâsex with women is one of those, and it is not necessarily more prized than other rewards he may get for his efforts.
sam too falls into this habit, albeit in a much different way from dean. sam is awkward around women in ways he is not with men (to the extent that he sees interviewing Hot Girls as "dean's job"); he is also concerned with their respectability where that should be none of his business, frankly (that one line where dean says sam tried to convince a hooker to go to nursing school???). at the same time, women are a reward for him, but in a much more sexless way (which coincides with his concern for female respectability) to contrast dean's promiscuity. at the same time, he still receives women as rewards for his efforts; if he wants the sex, he takes it and he enjoys it. he is the one who has the elaborate wet dream about bela, not dean, even when he shows contempt and disdain toward her whenever they meet. his objectification of women is much more understated but still present; it's a necessary component of kripke's world, after all, and sam cannot escape the misogyny baked into his writing.
but what i mean by all this is that we see the show from sam and dean's perspective. we don't get an objective look at the world as it is. and even though i am so, so sure this was never intended to be subtext, what we receive from the rampant misogyny of supernatural is a strong support for their biased narration. women in supernatural are objects because sam and dean see them as objects, and we see the show through their eyes. we see the masculine fantasy of the hunter because they are the ideal sam and dean are striving for, and we see the madonnas and the whores because that is who women are to them. it elevates the experience from other shows with the same brand of misogyny and allows for a depth of interpretation that other shows can't (or rather, shouldn't) get away with. we already know the narration of supernatural is unreliable; the misogyny is just another layer of that. it strengthens the argument and adds to the atmosphere of the show instead of detracting from it and making it annoying to watch. oh yes another hot girl is flirting with deanâbut of course she is, because this is dean's world and in dean's world the women who aren't sexually available aren't worth paying attention to. so we see the hot girls and we don't see anyone else. oh my another hot girls needs sam to save her from herselfâof course she does, because this is sam's world and sam is concerned with people insofar as they reflect his internal struggles back at him, and if he can save this girl then he can save himself too (and of course she's hot, because she must remain sexually available for him if he decides he wants sex).
basically kripke created a deeply misogynistic show where women are cardboard cutouts with no interiority, and for once this approach works because sam and dean have such unique life experiences that this has become the world that they live in. they don't see the interiority of other people unless they see themselves, and they're unconcerned with agency and autonomy, like, period. there's no malice in the misogyny but it is present, and it makes sense for who they are and where they've come from. and that is why i think it's interesting and why i prefer Hot Bimbo #487 over any humanized alternative. once you start making sam and dean recognize the interiority of people outside themselves, you start reversing their gothic isolation and bring them closer to society, with which they are fundamentally incompatible.
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i find it pretty limited when people see wuthering heights as just a love story, but i also tbh find it pretty limited when people say it's about a toxic relationship, like a lolita-esque tale where you're supposed to see beyond the pretty words and understand heathcliff and catherine's relationship as harmful and bad. i think wuthering heights is about lots of ways love and abuse can co-exist and isn't interested in drawing any clear lines about that. it's a book that doesn't give clear answers, and that's what makes it so compelling to me. the most poignant example for me is this :
(...) I heard Hareton sternly cheek his cousin, on her offering a revelation of her father-in-law's conduct to his father. He said he wouldn't suffer a word to be uttered in his [Heathcliff's] disparagement: if he were the devil, it didn't signify; he would stand by him; and he'd rather she would abuse himself, as she used to, than begin on Mr. Heathcliff. Catherine was waxing cross at this; but he found means to make her hold her tongue, by asking how she would like HIM to speak ill of her father? Then she comprehended that Earnshaw took the master's reputation home to himself; and was attached by ties stronger than reason could break - chains, forged by habit, which it would be cruel to attempt to loosen."
hareton is undeniably abused by heathcliff, but catherine decides to respect that it's not how he sees it and let him have his own understanding of this relationship. is she right? it's what she thinks is right. the reader can decide what to make of it
and i find it frustrating to think that love of heathcliff is what kills catherine, like she dies from their #toxic love. she dies much more from trying to be a respectable wife to edgar, going against her nature and cutting her off from half her soul. sometimes it also feels like a reading of catherine's character that robs of her agency and makes her heathcliff's victim, and i really don't see her that way. i doubt catherine would have been happy living with edgar forever and never seeing heathcliff again
Hard agree - this is Gothic fiction and given over to all the things that frighten society.
Gothic writers use the environment and relationship with immediate surrounds as a manufestation of a character's inner world and choices. Which is to say, yeah, the book is about as subtle as a hammer that Cathy died from being stifled in her new life. She's happy when she's running wild on the moors. After she's married, the walls of her new estate and the confines of an orderly, society marriage hem her in and she fades away.

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i think there is a difference between a knowingly flawed character and a thematically uncomfortable character and knowing the difference is half the battle
knowingly flawed character: this character has traits that the author deliberately put in to show they have nuance and aren't perfect as a person. this will put them at odds with some readers and endear them to others, depending on them as people, and that's good!
thematically uncomfortable character: oh boy the author has some Beliefs
Young Cathy and Heathcliff find a half staved unconscious Jane Eyre on the moors and poked her with a stick to see if she's dead. She isn't roused by their proding and they don't care enough to try and help her so it isn't mentioned in either book.
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wtf is dean going to do in this psychic kids hunger games situation
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â The Creature in Vol. II, Chapter II
â Victor Frankenstein in Vol. III, Chapter VII
of Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley (1818)
notice how the creature likens itself to lucifer on grounds of their shared abandonment by their creators, while victor does so on account of their shared hubris against god. one shattering the idea of divine paternal righteousness and allowing himself to accept the reality of his suffering being undeserved and thus offering them both a way out of the cycle (which victor of course refuses); the other keeping those very same ideas firmly intact, convinced of having earned fateful punishment and so rendering forgiveness (for the self and the other) impossibleâboth coming together in the same image from opposite ends
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the fact that victor is especially fascinated by an experiment which bridges the gap between life and death to create a kind of quantum state somewhere in-between + he considers this a "natural phenomenon"...i know this phrasing probably mainly refers to the proof of the existence of air and the reliance of most living beings on the presence of this invisible, seemingly indetectable substance to survive (which offers so many avenues of exploration in itself), but i can't help but interpret it also as victor viewing an existence in this superposition as natural in the sense of it being something he relates to.
the obvious analogy is of course to equate the creature with the bird and put victor in the place of his fellow scientist, but i think there's also a case to be made that on some level, victor sees himself as the bird, too. is himself intimately familiar with being suspended in the tension between dissolution and reclamation of the self & at the mercy of the whims of forces outside of his control. death and loss have been intricately weaved into the tapestry of his life from very early on, sickness and incest permeating his family tree and co-existing there with seemingly unconditional love and supportâone does not, in fact, oppose the other. on the contrary. his adoring family leaves no room for even the mere consideration of a life outside of their designs, and the workings of his mind (which could very well, from a modern perspective, be considered affected by something we might today call bipolar disorder) have accustomed him to making a home at the junction of paralysing despair and compulsive frenzy. the air might be released back into the jar, it might not.
which supports a reading of victor's construction of the creature as not only an attempt at asserting some sort of agency in his own narrative (which he fails at utterly), but alsoâand arguably even more importantlyâan endeavour to manifest something that might understand him. which, of course, he undeniably succeeds at, to his own tremendous horror. and what is intergenerational trauma but an endless concatenation of bringing forth something into the world that understands?
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angelus also loves buffy, that's my hot take. he loves her in the way he can, with obsession and extremes and he hates it because he is not supposed to feel that way. its not really angel he hates but her, he ses buffy as the reason he felt human, while angel loves her for that same reason. angelus loves buffy to the point of obsession, that he has to end the world because a world where he is in love is just not a possibility.
in I only have eyes for you I LOVE those seconds after the ghosts stop possessing them, and angel just. stands there. either overwhelmed by what he'd felt for her again or uncomprehending that it's over or whatever. and it isn't until buffy tentatively asks angel? that he snarls and runs away. cause he isn't angel. he's not. wrong name. and he can't be there another moment. he has to rub himself raw to try and escape loving her again, and it doesn't even work. he got a taste of it again, that all-consuming, blinding love, for buffy, and it won't let him go. she makes the lines blurrier than they should be because there shouldn't be any blur at all. he's not angel, and angel is not him. but he can't get her out of his head. not with a soul and somehow even less without one. and it is entirely unacceptable to be owned even a little like that. to have her own some piece of him again when he's supposed to be free