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Hello! I'm OT7 ARMY first and foremost. I'm Yoonmin biased, Jungkook and Hobi are my main bias wreckers, but they all are honestly depending on the day. I am a Jikook supporter, meaning that I personally believe they are romantically involved with each other. They are the only pairing in BTS that I think are more than platonic in a monogamous relationship, no one else. I'm also a giant book and marvel nerd. You may see a few random posts related to those topics, this will mainly be a Jikook and BTS blog. Welcome! Hate/toxic comments or asks will simply be deleted and ignored. Please also check the Guidelines for Anons Post too 🥰
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So, where were we?
Oh yes, Tae left the live.
Just after this is when JK takes a pause and decides to open up about the gym incident.
“I am human too”
I have already kind of addressed this in my previous post.
JK's live 4.3.23 is not a tipping point, but yet it is.
I will be writing a post about that live, but before that I feel like this issue ne
But you see, watching the full live I realized that what we were given, in the clips and the translations, was not everything that JK said. Watching the live, it feels even more. More honest and more raw. Man was wearing his heart on his sleeve.
I did try to download this, add the subtitles, cause damn, it doesn’t download with the subtitles embedded. But turns out I’m kind of shit with the IT and tech stuff and it just didn’t work. And I really really wanted you to see the full thing. So, I’m trying to link this timed to the right spot, but if it doesn’t work, start watching at: 1:30:00 or around that timestamp. Be patient. Don’t fast forward from that timestamp and don’t stop until it’s over.
Kanmom’s orders.
Watch these YT links on Youtube. That button on the bottom left.
He talks about this for around 6 minutes. 6 whole minutes.
Seeing the full 6 minutes, a couple more things stood out to me. On top of what I wrote in my above linked post.
One of them was this:
And we knew he asked not to come seek him out when it’s not an official schedule, private times in other words.
He talks about other army, you know, the respectful ones, those that don’t stalk him at the gym (and more to come, that’s the point I’m going to reach. I promise I’m on my way there).
He keeps going back to how thankful he is. And we know he is. JK loves Army.
And here comes my punch line:
This part here, to which he once again adds also when he is working out. It was left out of the translations or the clips that were shared.
And why oh why is the first thing I think of the White day photo? You know, that photo of them spending time together in a restaurant on White day. A restaurant that they frequented but stopped visiting since that day. Do you think maybe that had something to do with it? You know, the breach of their privacy?
And the home reference too. We know what he’s talking about.
I don’t know why, but him referencing those two hits harder. I think understandably so. Even his home, the physical place where he’s supposed to feel safest is not safe. And I’m not going to say the word anymore, because this isn’t something new. What’s new here is that he has finally spoken up against it. And it took being drunk to do so.
The second point has to do with those 3 characteristics a person should have according to JK. Remember them?
Respect, understanding and consideration.
If only these ‘fans’, so called fans, obsessed human beings, would take the time and listen to the person they supposedly love but don’t really (what they are is obsessed with a character they created in their head, one that mostly has nothing to do with who JK actually is).
JK ends this with a bow. He bows to us.
Like goddamn heartbreaking.
“Army, why do you cheer for us?”
Writing these words down I’m tearing up.
This here. This is where I literally broke down.
His talk about privacy was painful to hear, but these words, that he repeated twice towards the end of his live, out of nowhere, a pensive look on his face, stopping to inhale and ask again. These words. They broke me.
(Start at 2:00:07 timestamp. We always talk about context. Not looking at something torn from it’s surroundings. What came before and after, that means a lot. So start watching from that point).
It’s not only the words, that as of themselves show such vulnerability. It’s the look on his face, the pauses, the facial expressions while thinking about it, before saying, while saying it.
After a few seconds he gathers himself up, he realizes this was a little too heavy, and he tries to move on.
My heart broke into 1000 pieces at that point. And you can say that I’m being melodramatic, and maybe I am, but at that moment, and even now writing this, a tear running down my cheek, I feel him. And what he meant can be interpreted 1001 ways, but one thing I do think is irrefutable – it came out of pain. Maybe 2 things. He wouldn’t have said it if he wasn’t drunk, which he really was by this point. And we all know wine loosens the tongue.
Can’t tell you that JK singing Lonely did my emotional state any good either.
JK falling asleep.
Bless his heart. He was drunk (toward the end it was REALLY showing), and tired and said he’s going to rest a little bit. But you know, just like JM told us, one minute he’s there with you and the next he’s out.
So, our Jungkookie, yes ours, fell asleep and started snoring, and around 15 minutes into that I guess the staff, who most likely tried to call him to wake him up and shut off the live, gave up on it and shut it down remotely, lol.
If you want to see those 15 minutes, or listen to them:
“jungkook falling asleep during his live and sleeping until weverse turns it off ~ full version [14min]”
All and all this wasn’t an easy watch. There were fun parts. There were cute and funny parts. But there was also a heavy atmosphere surrounding it.
Please don’t take this where it’s not supposed to be going. I have never and will never claim to know JK’s mental state. Nor have I ever used the word that starts with D, and I won’t now either. I am not a therapist or a psychiatrist and have zero diagnostic skills.
Saying that, I am a mature person with life experiences, that include going through my own hardships in life, and including living with, loving, taking care of a neuro divergent daughter diagnosed with the pesty D word.
There are clear signs that JK is going through something.
Look, if indeed we are correct and JK is neuro divergent, this alone - no work no set schedule or structure time, it’s not really doing him good. Not having this structure, the timetable to work with, the set schedule with those around him to nudge him on, it throws him off kilter.
Then you have his introvert nature, keeping him at home much of the time.
Add to that his catalyst, his anchor is working to his bones, literally (have you seen him in his live last night?) at the moment, and the three people that grounded him over the years: Jin, Hobi and JM, are now kind of not around, not available, either at all or not enough.
And as if that wasn’t enough, then we have Bam not being well. He told us himself that Bam not being there to greet him was hard on him. Not to mention the worry for his health too.
One positive sign I did notice was the weight gain. I said it before. He was too skinny. And I don’t think that JM’s comment during JK’s mukbang live was just being cute. He was genuinely happy JK was eating.
Look, like JK said, and this is something I’ve been stressing since day 1. These guys, they’re human. I mean they have been trying to tell us this too, but some fans still struggle with the concept. And realizing that they might not be in the best mind space is something they are not willing to come to terms with (the fans that is).
JK drinking alone (yes, that means something too), getting drunk alone (and don’t give me that “but he’s with army bull”) that means something too. Him also needing that liquid courage to come out and say what he did to Army, that means something. And JK sharing what he did about his privacy. JK asking us why we cheer them. That is a person that is going through something. I can’t seem to find a better word than struggling.
It’s like when you come to the end of a road in life and still don’t have a clear path moving forward, f.i. finish high school, without a clear career or purpose paved ahead. It can be overwhelming and takes getting used to. And during that time of adjustment, you are a little lost.
This unclear future has been a reality they have all been living in since 2020. But they were living it together. And JK had JM strapped to his hip the whole time. Now it’s them each doing it on their own. Even RM is struggling, he shared some of it with us. JK, he’s the youngest, the one that has needed these young men around him, and they are/will be disappearing on him one by one.
Oh, and how could I forget, them disappearing…the why. All I’m going to say is this: Military service. One more stress factor for many reasons (worries for himself, worries for his loved ones, worries for the separation, worries for what happens during and after).
On top of that, for some time now JM has been super busy and that hip band, the one that connected them, it’s ripped. It’s not easy to get used to that kind of new reality. Think about it for a second. Who is that person that was always there the second JK was in pain, physical and emotional? He’s not absent per say, but he’s also not 100% available either. That’s life, we all live it, well most of us, our significant others aren’t with us 24/7, we don’t work together (some of us do), we don’t spend all our spare time with each other. Doesn’t make us any less strong as a couple, maybe just maybe it makes us stronger.
But for JK this wasn’t his reality for 10 years. Since the moment JM joined, they were more or less inseparable. And those that still live in that K-drama narrative where JK used to hate JM need to wake up and watch the content. Cause boys were close. Sleeping together on the floor outside the bed room so they can get up earlier and go practice together close. JK talking to JM about wanting to give up singing and JM talking him out of it close. JK hugging JM in his sleep close. And this the early years, before we even dreamt they were anything but friends. Close friends. JM even then being JK’s emotional anchor.
I keep going back to AHL and the kidnapping. Hate the show, despise the episode, but one thing you learn from that episode, and that is that JM is JK’s person. How one second it’s Suga sitting next to JK, and the next it’s JM. Cut, edit, we don’t know what went down but all of a sudden it’s JM sitting next to petrified JK. And as they are taking off their socks you even see JM patting JK carefully (on his leg), just a soft touch to calm him down.
So yeah, this person means the world to JK. Since forever. And JK has been somewhat spoilt. Because of their work and their lives and he got to have JM with him almost 24/7. But not anymore, and more so lately, now that JM has all these projects on top of a first solo album coming out.
To end my over lengthy and maybe boring to some Ted talk, all I’m getting at is that we can see JK is a little off. Anyone with eyes but without their army fantasy biased filters can see it. Sit a non army, non fan, someone who doesn’t even know who JK is, to watch this live and they will tell you something’s off. And it’s ok to say it out loud people. Doesn’t mean you love him less. I’d even say it kind of means you love him more. Because you SEE him. Like he wants us to see him. As human. With feelings. And wants. And needs. And faults. And struggles.
And bottom line, JK, I hope and have to believe that he’ll be ok. At the end of the day, he is surrounded by those that love and support him. He has a bf who is crazy about him and that we’ve seen in the past is there for him, fully. He has family that love and support him. It’s just a hard adjust. And it takes getting used to.
After finishing up my post I came by this clip, which I would like to share with you all. Some what of a fitting ending to my post:
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JK's live 4.3.23 is not a tipping point, but yet it is.
I will be writing a post about that live, but before that I feel like this issue needs a very own post of it's own, as short as it may be.
I just don't want it to drown in the sea of words that will be the live post.
JK did need some liquid courage before he said what he did, he himself saying he wouldn't have talked about it if he wasn't drunk.
Because this is a first. JK is criticising fan behaviour, something he just doesn't do. He loves Army. He wrote a love letter to Army and cried while reading it. He wrote songs for Army (yes, those that are for Army army and not JM army). And that is also why this was so hard for him.
He was so open and honest and raw, his words hitting so hard, and yet, JK being JK, through it all, he kept it so respectful.
He didn't speak in anger, what you would expect of someone that has had his privacy breached blatantly time after time. He spoke out of pain, anguish. The need to stress to us that he is just like us, human just like us.
The way he stopped to think a second before starting to talk. The way he chose his words so carefully so respectfully, all while being under the influence of alcohol. I'm in awe time and time again how kind, respectful and intelligent this young man is.
Can't help but remember what JK told us just a few lives ago:
This is Jungkook.
This is the person people oh so many times underestimate, infantilize, demonize.
The three things a person should alwa
What a person should always have:
RESPECT
UNDERSTANDING
CONSIDERATION
If only those people he is addressing had but even one of those. Respect JK, respect his privacy, respect the privacy of those that surround him, respect themselves enough not to behave in this manor.
Not to mention the next two: understanding and consideration.
People acting the way they do, they don't love JK, they don't respect him, have no understanding or consideration for him either. All they care about is themselves, their selfish needs and their own obsessions. But maybe, just maybe, they will listen? Idk. One way to maybe create a dent in this behaviour is to stop consuming the media they supply. Stop sharing it. Stop liking it.
I'm sitting here thinking "how do I end this post?", what else is there to say other than listen to JK?
Truthfully, not too much.
Listen to JK, let him live, breath, enjoy his privacy.
So no. Don't go all "awe, so sad, it's not ok to invade his privacy" and then repost the pics and clips that were taken by invading said privacy.
Report report report these accounts. But do so without spreading the actual content. And most definitely do not follow them.
*Disclaimer: this post is written by an opinionated blogger that usually is not afraid to speak her own mind. I say it now and I also repeat it throughout the post – these are MY opinions, my thoughts. You can agree or disagree. Just don’t be an ass about it!!
Cr./ to all the creators of the media used in this post.
28 Feb 2023 started out as a lovely quiet peaceful uneventful day.
Until it was no longer peaceful and uneventful, cause Mr. Chaos himself, a.k.a Jeon Jungkook, decided it’s time to liven things up.
28.2.2023 at 13:31 SKT Jeon Jungkook started a live.
*Anecdote time:
Just for a second here, before I go into the live, I would like to talk about the coincidental numbers playing here. Yes, we have another coincidence.
From the date:
2+2+2+2=8
8+3=11
8/11
You can also go with:
2+2+2+2+3=11
And the extra 8, bringing you to the same place:
8/11
Oh, and the time: 13:31 – 2 thirteens, mirrored (well the numbers are).
So, yeah, again, one of those strange coincidences that kind of keep happening time and time again with those two.
Moving on to the live itself.
This time it was on the shorter side, just under 30 minutes, JK letting us know in advance that it probably would be, as he had to leave for work soon.
And yet, he decided to do the live cause he was bored (and even though he hasn’t washed up yet either, a piece of information he shares with us later on).
J-Hope and JM showed up at the start, in the comments, once again. JK with his “oh, J-Hope” reaction and his special “JM’s here” one including his unmissable JM smile.
JM's last comment was Hyung is going to a shoot (filming), as in JM is.
And a special prize goes to JK's very special JM smile.
Now, I know there was a whole wave of (add annoying voice effect here): “JK asked JM and Hobi how they are doing” and “JK told them to be well”, followed by, of course: “boo to you, you lose, that means JK hasn’t seen either of them for a long time” and “clearly JK hasn’t seen JM for a while now, heh heh heh, we win”. If only you could see my rolling eyes at this point.
So, as usual, idiots will be idiots, and of course they twist things up to suit whatever and whichever narrative they want at that moment in time (cause the narratives, they keep changing as well, like constantly).
I will start by saying that even if that WAS the actual translation or WAS what JK was saying, then: SO WHAT? In what world can we not ask our significant others how they are or tell them to be well during the day, even if we saw them off to work that very morning? I mean in the actual living long term relationship world and not in the “we don’t have an idea about what a real relationship is and live in fantasy” world that is.
But you know what? We didn’t even have to go there, to that real life relationship world. Because JK, he wasn’t talking to JM and Hobi at that point.
He was talking to bloody army. Pity these ‘army’ didn’t realise JK was asking them how they are and to keep well.
So this is how it went down:
JK sees Hobi and JM. He reacts the way he does (you know, JM smile and all) and then says “it’s nice to see the members”.
Then he moves on to that Japanese word they were commenting about.
And only after that he goes on to say:
“Yeah, everyone, be well. Are you doing well?” followed by: “I’m growing my hair. What do you think?”
These 4 short sentences were all connected. The “everyone” is meant for us, the viewers. I also have to ask, do these idiots think the question about his hair was also meant for Hobi and JM?
Later on, around the 6:54 min. mark he once again asks: “everyone, what are you doing?” was that for JM and hobi as well?? She asked sarcastically…
Before I go on, and because I need to calm down for a second, can someone tell me please….
Is this person real????
Is it actually legal?
Ok, moving on…
JK telling us he doesn’t want to wash up, too lazy, and asks who wants to help him. Lol, JK, you don’t ask your fans something like that. I bet that ring at the door was someone coming to help you out… (I don’t believe I’m laughing about that, it was probably a bloody sasaeng…).
But you know, that “I’m too lazy to wash up” did sound a little familiar.
So, let's remember for one second a certain other who stated just that, and a clear solution to it all.
Created by @jikook_here
JK explains Bam is in a new training centre, but also that he hasn’t been well. It seems this is an ongoing issue, well a few issues (stomach, spine, skin). Poor Bammy, and poor JK too, he does seem really worried (Bam post will come…at some point…I promised and I will deliver).
He talks a little about the new centre and explains that they have camping options on site, and that:
“We’ll gather around all cozy and nice, and drink some beer”.
I’m kind of wondering if this translation is accurate and if it is, then who the “we” is that he is referring to.
JK talks about going out for drinks with friends the night before the live. He also talks about having a full pork belly delivered and grilling it, so now the whole place smells of meat (me asking: do they not have proper ventilation in the kitchen in such a high end apartment?).
JK says he made himself a hearty meal, but couldn’t finish it off, as his stomach shrunk.
Ahm, yeah, frown.
Editorial:
I, as opposed to those that think JK is great, happy, doing well, don’t think that at all. I think he is going through something. Maybe, as a very good friend of mine called it yesterday, a quarter life crisis. But he’s not ok. And him calling himself lazy, which he does after saying he doesn’t want to wash up and will someone come help him, and before saying “I don’t want to do anything”,
doesn’t explain it all away.
It doesn’t explain this, for instance, assuming this translation is correct:
Yes, I think Bam’s health is weighing on him. But I think it’s more than that too. He told us in the previous lives that he hasn't been working, although he hasn't finished his album yet. There was also a sense of loneliness, talking about how quiet the place is without Bam (read between the lines too). It probably isn't easy for him this new reality, in which he's separated for long periods of time from the person he has been practically connected at the hip to for almost 24/7 almost 365 days a year for 10 years.
That’s my gut feeling. You can take it or leave it.
One good thing I did notice and am happy about is that he has put on some weight again. That last live at the gym, his jaw line, he was unhealthily thin. Evidently (by him), he’s eating again, so that’s good.
End of editorial.
At this point JK moves on, to the thing that he feels most at ease with, and that’s singing.
He sings “To find you” – a beautiful love song.
A song he says he’s heard recently. I’d say more than heard once.
He KNOWS the song.
And this isn’t the first time he’s singing this song either. I’d go so far as to say JK knew the lyrics off by heart, well at the very least some of them. He clearly likes the song. 😊
He starts singing and stopped by the door bell ringing (well, probably not door bell, more like downstairs entrance).- that’s when he doesn’t recognize whoever it was and doesn’t let them in. He looks at the camera and then comes back to us saying he doesn’t let in someone he doesn’t recognize. He giggles after saying he should sing a bit quieter, but then he looks back at the monitor (the door monitor), he does that again mid song. It felt like he wasn’t at ease then, which does makes me think: sasaeng?
Side note: love the way he just climbs and jumps over the sofa. Not first or last time we'll see him do that in this live, lol.
JK goes back to sing the song.
1st time:
JK sings the song twice, cause the first version felt to him like it wasn’t heavy enough, the backtrack.
Mid 2nd performance he goes, well jumps over the sofa, to fetch another mic, and then continues to serenade us with the 2 mics.
2nd time:
Then he does a Jang Beom June song. A couple of times, first his version, then imitating him, well trying to in any case, lol.
After those performances JK asks for song recommendations.
And then comes the second bell, and JK talking to whoever that was (from the company probably, because he straight away tells/warns them he’s doing a live).
JK then comes back to explain about a garbage disposal unit that isn’t working (not him causing the damage – but why would that matter if the apartment was his?) and they are coming to take it away.
JK ended the live. And us mere mortals were sure that’s the end for today. We got to enjoy our boy. And when I say boy I mean young man (it’s just enjoy our boy rhymes…shoot me…well actually please don’t, but that’s what you get from someone that has year 4 level poetry).
JK came to be with us at a normal time of the day, when we are actually still awake (and when I say we I mean me of course), even though he was supposed to be getting ready for work. I mean, he kept saying on repeat that he was bored and that’s why he started the live, but dude, you have to get washed up, dressed and off to work in no time, so you do a live? Not that I’m complaining…
But low and behold, Mr. Jeon Jungkook decided that the 28th of Feb 2023 (you remember 8/11, wink wink) is going to be a super dramatic day, and approx. a couple of hours later, Mr. Jeon committed the mortal sin of obliterating his IG account. Wiping it out. Deleting it. Even deleting the app from his phone (his words).
JK came to us a little after that heinous and deliberate act to tell us:
Whoever thinks JK doing this, including letting us know he deleted the app, is not a statement, well idk what to say to that.
Why he did it, only he knows.
Do we take what he said at face value? We can. But then, if we think that they tell us everything without embellishment at times or without omitting at times, then that would make us super naïve.
My thoughts?
This is something JK said during the live (again, assuming Weverse translation is correct):
And yes, it was said in the same context of him getting ready, washed up, being lazy. But it means more than just being annoyed at having to get ready.
His words: “annoyed with everything…”
So my thoughts are that just like JK didn’t tell us all the story with the J and M tattoo, the placing, the connection, the meaning, he didn’t tell us the full reason for him deleting his 52 million follower JK branded IG account.
That just like we didn’t take what he told us during the Vminkook live in LA about how he would go to JM’s room 3 times a day because JM’s room was the closest to his, at face value, I don’t think we should with this either.
And these wouldn’t be the first or last times we’ve been told partial stories/ partial truths, parts of the stories being omitted or maybe even changed to suit our ears (cough hickey cough).
So, I believe this is bigger than just JK being bored with the app. Also the him being stressed by IG theory is not one I go for, as this was something we were told back in May 2022 when he deleted all his personal posts and turned the IG account into pure business/professional. Again, back then, in my opinion, not divulging the actual reason for doing so, but it doesn’t take too much to understand what led to it, including the timing of it all.
Just like JM (since around mid 2022) this account was used mostly for promotional purposes only (with a couple of exceptions for JM). When they had something to promote they posted on IG, otherwise they didn’t. And he could have continued doing that. No pressure what so ever. But he decided out of the blue, or not so out of the blue really, to end the game (pun intended - end game, you know…).
Does it have to do with the invasive video of his posted on IG just a few days earlier? Does it have to do with the dating rumors circulating? Does it have to do with his friends/colleagues/and friends of friends being harassed on IG by TKKs and possibly other fans? Does this have to do with companies following him to get traction and free publicity (cough CK cough)? Is this some kind of defiant act against the company, a rebellion of sorts? There could be 1001 reasons why JK did what he did, we will probably never really know why. But in one sweep of the finger JK deleted a buying force of over 52 million.
And yes, JK’s brand hasn’t been ruined, it’s not about his brand, it’s about how the company will use that selling power, how they are supposed to reach the audience. That was one of the biggest reasons the company set up those accounts for the members. Not out of the good of their hearts. Not because they wanted to give them a way to stay in touch with the fandom. MONEY folks. It’s always about money. And big money at that.
The IG accounts were there for promotion, for staying in touch with the fandom on a personal level (sells more) now that they were doing their solo acts, but also a lot of money exchanged hands when they opened those accounts (and I'll leave it at that).
There are those that say “well BH have their own IG account for promotions”, and indeed that’s true. But be real people. It lands different when the company is posting and when the idol himself is. It’s more personal. It’s the idol himself reaching out to the fans saying “look, this is what I’m up to now, please support me”. That by itself generates more sales. But also, the idol posting a pic of himself in a Dior outfit – everyone running to buy Dior. With no IG account where will said pic be posted? Weverse? Twitter? Not every IG follower is an actual fan of BTS. Many don’t even know what Weverse is. IG at this point has a wider reach than Weverse does.
What I’m saying here is that this action has financial consequences. And JK knew that. Stress or no stress, this is something he knew the company would not be happy with. Because this isn't a decision that affects him alone. It's a decision that affects the company as well. And he did it anyway.
Good for him.
Whatever the reason behind it.
Be it retaliation for his breach of privacy.
Be it a defiant act against the company.
Be it both and more.
Good for him.
I just hope, as impulsive as he is, that he got some form of legal advice prior to doing so, because this could definitely be in breach of contract, something that could have real consequences for him. This is not going live when told he shouldn’t or without staff present. This is big. This involves a lot of money. This might very well be him breaching a clause of his contract, requiring him to take part in whatever promotional activities the company deems necessary. And we don’t know what that contract looks like, but I do know that some contracts have set penalties for parties breaching this clause or another.
All I’m saying here is that it’s not as simple as pressing a delete button. There are complex issues here.
This is an action that can have consequences for JK if this is a step too far as far as they are concerned.
I guess we will wait and see how things work out.
Will JK keep in touch with us via Weverse?
Will we get more lives from him? And if so, how often?
Will these lives be from ‘home’, given what he told us in the past about permission from the company?
One thing I’m also curious about is where to now? Does him deleting IG mean he has no brand deals in the horizon and/or no solo releases planned any time soon? I'm not going to ask the next question that comes to mind. I think there are quite a few that have thought it already. And I don't think the answers are as cut and dry as some might think. All I'll say is, god I hope not.
I will end this post with my wishes:
I wish for JK to find his way if he is feeling a little lost, be happy, be content.
I wish for all the obstacles that stand in their way as a couple to just fuck off, including effing military service.
And if ms doesn't just disappear, I wish for it to pass as fast as possible and for us to be on the other side of it all. Them and us.
And if I'm already wishing for ms to be over, let's wish to be on the other side of the rainbow and meet them all healthy and happy for Festa 2025 and a comeback.
There are a few other wishes I'll keep to myself, you know, like win the lottery, for one...
I would wish for world peace, and end to racism, bigotry, hate, homophobia, transphobia, and all that crap, but let's be real here, I might be delusional, but not that delusional.
That's it, I'm calling it, it's a damn conspiracy! I am always at work when JK or Jimin go live recently, and I mean always 🙄🙄
Once again we witnessed Jimin popping into the chat on the live and the sheer joy that it evokes in JK
THE TONE OF HIS VOICE!!
Jungkook appears to be shamelessly using his lives to invite his man out on a date and to also reiterate that they enjoy spending time together and do so often when they aren't busy, you know like finishing and getting ready to promote an album.
Oh and the boxing trainer is no stranger to Jimin from where I'm sitting, which brings me to conclude that Jikook have trained together on several occasions 😁
Oh and I wonder what the trainer said here, in a quiet voice, to JK 🤔
The way their demeanour changes when they talk about/interact with each other is just too much, I am just about holding it together with this Jikook karma. I am this 🤏 close to just....
And if we get a Jikook live and I am at work again then I will instead be more...
I can't be writing the equivalent to 10 page essays after every live here, not when we're getting them now almost on a daily basis. For heaven's sake, I'm still working on my JM's live post.
So, this time I'm relying on my friends here, and sharing the great work they've done.
Jungkook live (2/11) titled 힘드러어엉 (tireeeed *with aegyo)
Jungkookie came live today to show us he is starting his boxing lessons again!! He also mentioned he cut his bangs because they were getting too long so we got to see his new cute hairstyle 🥹❤️
Then we got the cutest Jikook screen/comments interactions and Jimin was once again offered to join Jungkook for his live 🥹
At the beginning, Jimin left these comments:
"Jeikei"
"Teacher ~~" (seonsaegnim + implied tone with the characters)
"I miss youu" (written in aegyo, this was addressed to the teacher/trainer because Jimin wrote high formal 보고싶습니다 in a cute way, so it is obvious he knows him well enough to act cutely towards him but with respect ofc 😄)
To which Jungkook responded excitedly with a huge smile:
"Oh Jimin! Jimin hyung came!
Teacher (seonsaegnim)! Jimin hyung came on here! (referring to Weverse comments)
Hyung, Jiminie hyung you should start boxing too!
(the trainer starts speaking to Jimin in between, inviting him over)
Hyung, you were told to come!~ hyung you should do boxing!
I am starting now again too, having rested..."
Jimin responded to that with:
kkkkkkkkk yes kkkkkk don't wait for me kkk
Jungkook then passed on this message to the trainer that they shouldn't wait for Jimin this time 😄 Then finally adding when talking to the trainer:
"Jimin hyung will probably come together with me when there is a chance."
As Jungkook was training hard Jimin left this comment which made my heart melt again 😭
"Right that's good, grow up like this so you (can) protect hyung" (referring to himself)
Closeness, cute and loving nature are pouring out of both Jimin and Kook these days and I love we can see a few glimpses of it 🥹💗
Then towards the end, Jungkookie made this cute ending ment which made me laugh so hard:
"You worked hard" 👍 (referring to the audience)
"Ah no it was me that worked hard"
Loved this short live so much! Jungkook is the most adorable soul 💜
This is becoming a habit, Jikook doing their thing while I'm asleep.
I think this kind of sums it up.
Just wanted to clarify once again, as I'm sure there will be those hanging to that "miss you" of JM's.
IT WAS CLEARLY MEANT FOR TOMMY!!!
The chronology:
To which the whole convo with Tommy (Tommy to JM and Tommy with JK about JM joining when he can - that is JK telling Tommy "JM hyung will probably come with me when there's a chance"...convo continues without us being able to hear the rest) goes on.
JK has been telling us stuff peeps.
He's been drawing clear lines for us all to see.
Once again we have a happy faced JK when he sees JM's comments.
We kind of recognize that smile already.
JK and Tommy confirming that JM did/does train together with JK at Tommy's. He told us half as much in the LV live, well more so rejoiced while telling us so. And here we have confirmation to that.
Stories can be made up by fans till the sun comes out, but the only confirmation we got from JK himself was in LV and here, right now, in front of our faces.
Just like the Jikookery that has been going on this past week. Right in front of our faces.
And we are LOVING it.
I have many questions in mind following this live and the convo that followed between JM and Hobi (a couple hours later). I guess I'll keep them to myself at the moment.
Anyway, not complaining, even though I am (this has to stop happening while I'm asleep, lol).
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JK-Tae and JK-JM - The two lives and the differences between them
I will start by saying this is not a competition.
Nah-ah.
Also, let’s keep this clear from the get go:
JK and Tae are close friends. 10 years’ worth of growing up together, living together, working together, playing together friends.
But here are the magic words: growing up.
And when you grow up you change, your likes and dislikes they change, your interests they change. You can suddenly find yourself not sharing those same common grounds you did as kids, teenagers or even young adults. And that, at times changes friendships or even ends them, the latter not being the case with JK and Tae.
But in life there are different kinds of friendships, different levels of friendships.
JK, JM and Tae.
All three of these young men are close friends for years now.
I repeat - all three of them.
And add Hobi into the mix, all four definitely spend time together, by choice, not work related (Hobi told us that in the Las Vegas live). Probably less now (all four) because of JM being super busy, while the younger two (JK and Tae) are obviously taking much needed time to wind down at the moment.
These guys are all in touch, all the members, that is, including Jin (who sends them messages once in a while too). They talk constantly on their group chat. We knew that before from comments members made in the past and we know it now too from Tae, RM and JK's interactions in the lives.
What I’ll be trying to convey in my post is the different reactions JK has to either of the two joining, the way he interacts with each of them, and his behaviour while doing so. Watching the three lives (including the IG live) the differences are quite obvious, as obvious as the difference between how you would interact with a good friend as opposed to interacting with your partner, someone you are intimate with, someone you are in a long term relationship with.
It's all about the:
RIB
Reaction - Interaction - Behaviour.
Reaction
First reaction with JM -
First reaction when JK sees JM has commented on his live is excitement. He's all smiley, giddy.
JK's first reaction with Tae:
Hold on for a minute I’m talking about something important here.
And then, when he's done answering the fan, he follows with:
Tae's here? Why are you here?
Ahm... ok then...
Interaction - Behaviour
Next let's look at the interaction and behaviour, cause I do think the two kind of intertwine, don't they?
With JM:
“Jiminie hyung is here, right? No? Right? He's here?”
JK was super excited when JM showed up in his comments and he wanted him to stay. Well, that is, what he really wanted was for JM to come join him at his place, lol.
And again
And when it was clear that JM couldn’t come over and had to go back to work JK turned on his assertive caretaker button telling him to stay healthy.
With Tae:
The low key bickering...JK did or did not tell Tae he was going to sleep before doing the live...
And then, the back and forth about doing the joint live:
JK asks Tae laughingly if he can handle the consequences of doing the live (as they were not supposed to be doing lives on IG), to which Tae answers he’ll take the responsibility.
I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that Tae was the one wanting to do the live on IG, JK not so much wanting it, but agreeing to it kind of reluctantly... JK wasn’t forced into it, and I really don’t think he was bugged by Tae. It’s not something he really wanted to do either though, and it felt like he really wanted Tae to give up on the idea, lol.
Then we have the live, more JK and Tae interaction, both on screen.
It wasn't jelling. Yes, the connection wasn't great, but even when it got better...ahm...
In the live: We have talk about the option to do the joint live – quite a bit of talk about that and the possibility of adding the option to Weverse; We have talk about Bam – Tae saying how big he's become, JK saying he's just as big; We have talk about the comments, a lot about them being flags; We have talk about the conversation JK had in his live with a fan about getting tattoos and the 7 tattoo – what Tae told his parents about it; We have them keep going back to a common joke (the rice joke?);
Side note: the way Tae talked about Bam it’s obvious he hasn’t seen him in quite a while. Fact. Why that is, we don’t know. Could be them not meeting up at JK’s, could be Bam being away at family/training school. But it’s clear it’s been a long time since he’s seen him.
At some point JK brings Bam over (this is a second time Bam is in the live), uses him as a buffer, or maybe a conversation starter/ice breaker. JK was going to town with Bam.
Tae was trying to get Bam to go to his place/house/crate, it didn't work, Bam ignoring him (, and JK just continuing to mess around with Bam.
With no convo Tae turns to playing with filters, and then I guess just gave up cause JK wasn't in the game. At the end Tae saying he’s sleepy, for JK to go back to his Weverse live and off we go, end of IG live, JK saying goodbye waiting for Tae to disconnect. He does say goodbye but that’s it. No other niceties.
In the 13 minutes we had a lot of searching for comments, drinking, getting up doing stuff, playing with Bam – doing the distractions, cause again, the conversation wasn’t flowing.
Now, I will give a little credit to the bad connection, but nah, even if you take that into consideration, I think you need to be deaf and blind to continue to think there is anything more than mateship between those two men.
JM wasn't even physically there in JK’s live (not in person and not on screen) and the sparks were flying crazy, can you even imagine if we had them both on live like that?
A few things extra I noticed in the IG live:
First is Tae’s reaction after asking if JK doesn’t have anything to do the next day and JK saying “well, Bam has a medical checkup”. It was so sus. It was his usual “aha, yep, I’m obviously not buying that or know something otherwise you’re not saying out loud” kind of face…
Now the translation could be a little inaccurate, but Tae’s non verbal reaction is hard to miss.
JK changes the subject, but this reaction, the snicker and giggle that follow, I attribute to JK's previous answer...
And damn, I'd say those facial expressions, the eyebrow wiggles, multiple times, that's Tae knowing something we don't and probably shouldn't either...
He was clearly amused, and I myself am dying of curiosity to know why…
Being the live was on a Friday night, maybe a certain band member name starting with Ji and ending with min was supposed to have the Saturday off…
If you look real hard you can also detect somewhat of a smirk on JK’s face too.
Ehmm... we also have what seemed perhaps to be JK's brother taking Bam to the Vet? Or at least spending time with him, maybe without JK?
It could have absolutely nothing to do with Jimin, but one thing I can tell you is that there was absolutely nothing innocent behind that eyebrow wiggle of Tae’s, nor the smirk, nor the giggle.
Second was when JK during the IG live mentioned there is option to have up to 4 people doing the live at once:
Yep. Talking out of experience I guess Tae. You know it.
Third, JK keeps asking Tae “aren’t you going to sleep?” or “when are you going to sleep?”
Hinting much?
🤕
Me clarifying myself once again:
I am certainly not saying JK and Tae are not good friends, close friends.
But like I said, in life there are different kinds of friendships, levels of friendships, levels of intimacy that grow beyond friendship.
These two they have history, they have several common interests, but perhaps they limited now days. There is nothing wrong with that, people grow up they move in different directions. The two still love to game together, we know that, and probably/maybe spend time doing other activities. They are mates. But there are no sparks, no intimacy there. These are not two men in a long term love relationship. Spin it any way you want, they just aren't.
To sum it up:
There are clear differences between the two interactions.
Also, I can't find a way to convey in words the difference in JK's voice, the intonation of his speech. You have to watch them both to understand how different he was in each of those instances.
with JM:
JM’s here? Where is he? Stop everything, I need to see if JM left a comment. Then, JM, please come and eat some chicken with me - come over - I'm waiting for you very impatiently...are you still there? please still be there... come join me...
Also with JM:
Ear to ear smile, and going into full caretaker mode, dropping the honorific to tell JM to look after himself (knowing just how much JM pushes himself when working).
JM's name being mentioned by JK 12 times within 7 minutes.
With Tae:
Wait a minute I can't pay attention to you yet, I have something more important to do; Then – nonchalantly asking: why are you here? (ouch); Ok, I’ll do the live you wanted, just as long as nothing big happens;
Also with Tae:
I’m going to get alcohol; Here’s Bam; Let’s talk about the live options on IG and how we should make them for Weverse too; When are you going to bed? Aren't you going to bed already?
This is the person people oh so many times underestimate, infantilize, demonize.
The three things a person should always have are:
RESPECT
UNDERSTANDING
CONSIDERATION
It's kind of funny we had to wait for the translation to see this.
It's even funnier how since the translation has been out I've only seen this talked about in one post by @jmdbjk
People sure have their panties in a knot over Jimin and Jungkook and Tae and shipping and JK's live, and Bam, and a J tattooed on a finger a
And thank you for that @jmdbjk
I haven't seen it brought up by ot7 accounts, nor on JKK accounts either.
Maybe I'm not out there enough, but seriously, is no one talking about this?
Three words that aren't hard to follow.
It's really not hard to be respectful, understanding and considerate.
I wish huge parts of this fandom would practice them, even try to.
It would make the fandom a better place to be in, not to mention the world around us.
I've made a conscious decision not to get into how disrespectful, unaccepting (whatever the opposite of understanding is) and inconsiderate people in this fandom are, not only towards each other but even more so towards the members themselves. You kind of know where I would be going with that anyways, don't you?
What I will say is that I love JK.
I love the young adult he's grown up to be.
I love how intelligent he is.
I love how fame and money didn't corrupt him.
I love who he is as a person.
I love how dainty he is, how unashamed he is, how brave he is.
I feel like a proud mom seeing her kid all grown up into a beautiful beautiful human being untainted by the industry or society or all those surrounding him that all want a piece of him.
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