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Are you sure?! Season 2 end of episode 8

I know I'm kind of jumping the gun here, moving from first episode to the last, but like I mentioned in my previous posts, I'm going to be moving through the show with no specific order. It's more about the moments than the episodes.

So, here I am, end of the season, and with everything we saw in the 8 episodes, the super loud moments, the private moments I feel like we weren't supposed to see, the soft touches, those truly romantic moments (not because the editors said so but because they truly were) the love and care that were impossible to miss, these last moments kind of hit hard. For me, at least.

With all the words said, everything else but what they really wanted to say. Dancing around the "we" and "with you", and yet so loud and clear.

And with all that, that soft lingering hand touch.

It was kind of hard to watch it. Hard for them to say what they wanted. Definitely holding back. Definitely words unsaid.

Touching hands when it's clearly unnecessary but at the same time really necessary.

Because they say words, but not all the words they want to say and the lingering hands, well, they say those words that can't be said out loud.

And even then you can see how they are holding back. Not knowing exactly where the line is being crossed. JK wanting to hold JM's hands with both of his, moving in but then not completing the hold.

And this.

What was even this?

Yeah, so what if it's not at the end of the episode and that's what this post is about? So What?

That was a wrap on season 2.

An emotional end to the post military pre-back to idol life trip. A trip they will remember for a long time to come. Clearly left it's mark on JK.

Him referring to it in the Jimmy Fallon appearance, answering the question of "what did you miss about JM". A question clearly meant for the military service. A question JK answered clearly with he didn't miss him then because they were together, but also adding to that what he misses now - JM's gochujang stew. He misses now. Not then.

I talked about that moment more in depth in this post:

Ok, just re-read what I wrote there about JK and what I believe he was saying in that moment on the Jimmy Fallon Late night show.

It's basically his hobby.

He told us so.

We knew that, right?

There are times he'll tease JK or rile him up, knowing which buttons to press, just to get that scolding from him.

Not only does he love to be scolded but he also loves it when he's scolded in front of us.

This whole interaction was hilarious. And all while zero need for it to be on Weverse for all of us to see.

And how can we forget one of our favourite lives ever? The NJ live back in 2019. We got so many gems from that one, including a demure JM being scolded, again, by his, dare I say, oppa hunk bf (cringe, lol).

He just loves to rile him up...

The look on JM's face here...

Point proven I guess, lol.

And as if we didn't know this already, or if someone thought this isn't relevant or something has changed, idk, in the past year, well nah. Same same peeps.

But you see, what I hadn't put together, or hadn't noticed (shame on me, it's been right in front of my face the whole time), is just how much JM also loves to be spanked when naughty...

Yes! I just wrote that sentence.

Because at this point, not only is it noticeable, it is flashing in a neon sign right in our faces.

Kind of like this one:

I mean, we saw his wide smile way back in 2016 (used to think that smile was kind of embarrassment, seeing that JK slapping his butt in the episode was just WOW).

That was SOOOOOO cringe. Hard to watch even. Lmao.

But that was kind of an opening shot really.

Not first time JK had his hands on JM's butt though.

I guess the difference being the bf privileges he'd obtained since that one.🤔

Since then we've had JK touch, rub, pat, squeeze, utilize it as his own personal boxing bag and slap JMs behind so many times over the years.

Including this latest gem in 4K?

Clearly the spanker and the spankee are having the time of their lives, lol.

So, like I said, JM loooooves to be scolded by JK!

But the whole JM riling JK up to get that butt slap, well that's a new one for me. Not new for him though, lol. He's been doing this for quite a bit.

Yeah, I think the realization hit me watching AYS1, you know, the bed scene...

I'm not one to say it, but yeah - he most definitely was asking for it.

🤣🤣

But in this last season of AYS they outdid themselves. They really did. Because they literally told us this is their kink. Literally!!

Once again you have JM riling JK up. KNOWING how this is going to end.

Also, can I just ask How the actual f*$& did they leave this scene in?????

They were literally telling how it rolled when they took their showers together, which we know they did, seeing that JK had already shared said information with us back in 2024.

And when they are showering that whole thing, whatever you want to call it, is going on.

Did the editors think that because they are filmed wearing clothes we will actually believe that they showered clothed in the military? Like in what universe would they do that?

So, I guess I'll spell this out then - JM and JK telling us how they are together in the shower.

N A K E D

Slapping butts.

Naked butts.

You are welcome.🤣🤣🤣

I have to admit, I am still shooketh they let this in. No way the editors didn't know what this was about. So this had to be intentional. One of those, if they see it they see it and if they don't want to see it and make up all kind of excuses then they won't. Kind of like the "siblings bite each other" or "mates suck on their bro's ears" situation I guess?

I'm writing these words and still can't believe this was allowed into the show. I guess them talking about showering in the military slapping butts is still considered PG as long as when they are talking about it they are at least partially dressed and having a good laugh about it, right?

And not the only time we got a spanking in AYS2.

Because if you weren't absolutely sure that the story they told us above was a reoccurring matter, then they made sure to do that here:

JM is loving it.

As the editors made sure to mention:

He knew what was coming. And he enjoyed every single second of it. Especially Including the spanking.

And just in case we didn't get it yet:

Ok then JM.

Did I mention he loves it?

So yeah, we've known this for years now.

JM loves to be scolded by JK.

And apparently he loves to be spanked by him too.

Hi y'all.

I really didn't want to make this post.

Really didn't.

But I've been getting asks from some of you guys and although I am not going to answer your asks separately and am definitely not going to go into the nitty gritty of it, I do feel like this needs addressing.

JM and JK and all that is between them is A-OK.

I've been around here for years and Idk if it's newcomers that are getting all stressed out and all or just insecure Jikookers that go through this endless cycle time and time again, but this here, it needs to stop!!

Let me make it clear as day:

JK posting soulful songs does not mean he's depressed and broken up or arguing or fighting with JM.

JK loves love songs. He loves sad songs. He's covered some of them in the past as well. There are times when they are meaningful to him and times when he just likes them and wants to share them with us.

His cover for Falling for example. This one had zero to do with their relationship status and all to do with him personally loving the song (and very possibly also to do with JM loving it too).

On the other hand his cover of Hate everything clearly had to do with a situation he was in at the time (JM hospitalized, him not allowed to be there for him, the whole damn situation back at the start of 2022 - not them broken up but due to the restrictions at the time and him not being able to be there for JM with JM when he needed it).

I gotta say something else too.

Let's say JK is in a mood. That he's recommending these sad songs because he's sad. Not every damn thing is about the two as a couple. People need to remember that these two are 2 human beings, 2 individuals that have a life, a career, have wants and needs and good days and bad days and things that are pulling and pushing at them (even more so these two superstars with all the pressure on them, the comeback, the tour, what's next for BTS, the company, the fans and so forth). So him being a little soulful for a minute and a half doesn't have to do AT ALL with where he is in that relationship with JM.

I also have to say that not every what seems to be a breakup song falls on the person who listens to it, who takes something from it to himself in the same way. It can resonate with you and relate to you in other aspects of your life. Friendships coming to an end (ahm, remember how Face off was thought to be a breakup song but was about a friendship ending????), other meaningful relationships that might be ending or that future is unclear, a loss of a feeling towards something else, not necessarily a person (your passion for your work - remember how Muse is about JM's work as an artist through the language of love - this would be applying it in the opposite direction).

Bottom line - my personal opinion is that JK's IG posts are not a reflection of him being sad and definitely have nothing to do with his relationship with JM which is as strong as ever.

They are as inseparable as ever, when only we are allowed to see.

As for Paris.

Dear god, seriously?

We have them being as loud as hell during the European leg of this tour.

We have the lives and JK doubling down on saving JM, and Hobi's very intimate IG photo and JK's arm around JM walking him to the car only to go to his own, and butt slaps and pure happiness and heart pointing to each other.

But all of that is not enough when for 2 nights in Paris they are more subdued.

And don't come and say that there is more to that, that we didn't see them together in Paris, because throughout their tour, how many times did we see them out and about together?

Just the two of them?

Anyone?

Or with Jin or Hobi or Tae?

Anyone?

The only time we got to see them out together would be with all the other members going out for dinner together.

And btw, not seeing them out together kind of doesn't mean they haven't managed to go out together for a midnight walk perhaps? I mean, we wouldn't have knows that JK and Tae were out for a walk in Munich if Tae hadn't posted it himself. So to me, Tae's post kind of gave me hope that maybe at some stops they managed to do this. Not in Paris though (with the loads of fans and paparazzi lurking outside their hotel day and night).

But let's get back to Paris.

Gay Paree, said with a French accent (because that's the only way to go).

Silver day happened in Paris. The Bastille day fireworks happened in Paris. We know for a fact that JK filmed those fireworks and he wasn't with Tae and Hobi when he was doing that (I am going to go out on a limb and be brave enough to bet that time was spent with JM). His posts that followed was loud and clear.

We had their visit to the Tour de Eiffel. Where we also got to see that they were just fine. I'm not adding the pics here because of their source, but they were clearly inseparable there as well (JM hanging on to JK's jacket being one of those clues).

Then we had his post on 17 July. Day of concert 1 in Paris.

And yeah, they were subdued during the concert. But so were the others (this is coming from fans that attended the concert), because we had some high up dignitaries attending the concert (President of France high enough?). And although they were keeping away from each other, mostly, and at times very loudly, when the lights were off, when they thought they weren't seen, the masks were off and flirting was back to 100%.

Could there have been other influences to make them go quieter during the Paris leg?

For sure.

We had the Fifa performance coming up.

We had the buildup of several very loud moments prior to Paris that could have had some higher ups panties in a knot and could have had them asked to tone things down, at least openly. Who knows.

But this is the two of them when we aren't supposed to be watching:

Subdued doesn't mean sad. It just means holding back.

We also got them playful during Dynamite, you know, when they are allowed to be because it's part of the show. And yet, they know how to go the extra mile to make it even more playful.

I recommend you go read the post above again, with the red and black and everything that it symbolized as well.

If they weren't ok, if they were having problems, we wouldn't be getting any of that.

And the 18th, JK crying. Not about them as a couple. God, I find myself having to repeat this time and time again. Not everything is about them as a couple. Just like in real life, not everything that makes us sad or happy is about our relationship with our partners. Things happen around us, to us, that have nothing to do with our loved ones and they can influence our behavior, our mood, our feelings.

Both JK and JM stated in their ments that they are happy. This wasn't a lie. And at the same time JK told us he's sad the European leg is coming to an end, that the busy schedule prevents them from staying on, doing more. Could have been that, could have been the culmination of the really rough schedule (past and future), the pressure just building up until it all overflowed. Whatever it was, it had nothing to do with the status of his relationship with JM.

As for JM, he saw JK cry, at the start he wanted to go to him, as a natural instinct to calm him, sooth him. But I do think that he knows JK so well that he held back because JK needed to sooth himself at that point. JM going to him, approaching him, that would not sooth JK, that would have him breakdown even more, just like we saw back in 2019 in their last Seoul concert. Because JM is JK's safe place and the one person he can just fall to pieces around. And JM knew that and knew that JK wouldn't want that. Not the time and place. So he kept away, as far away as possible. On stage.

We need to remember that what we get to see are snippets of their lives. This comeback even less than before. But if you take a step back and look at the dynamics in general over the European leg and then in the USA for the Fifa event, you can see the consistence in their behavior around each other, with each other and the same old familiar dynamic.

This, btw, happened only a few days earlier.

You wanna tell me that only a few days later this was taken back?

We are talking about a relationship that has been going on since 2015 (go read my timeline). Through the hard times as a band, through the pandemic, through the solo era, through their military service, coming out even stronger on the other side. And suddenly it's all gone to shit? They are in an 11 year long relationship. Stable and calm and domestic. You need to stop looking for drama that isn't there.

Some tough love coming up next.

Know that I say this because I love y'all and care for your wellfare.

Just talked to a friend and she mentioned how we get so much from Jikook. Even though they are a private couple. Even though they are as of yet a gay closeted couple. And when we do it's, in her words: "happy happy joy joy". But then all it takes is one 2 millisecond edited clip or a IG sad song recommendation for people, again in her words: "to jump off a cliff". And she is so right. This is truly unhealthy how people perceive this relationship and how every little thing impacts them (the fans, not Jikook). I truly believe that if you are rattled so very deeply by these kind of things then you need to take a step back and rethink what this is doing to you. If you love those two and still want to continue and consume this content maybe removing yourself from SM for a bit, giving yourself some distance from it all. Going to a Macro view rather than Micro. If you look at everything that's happened over the past few weeks from afar, see the whole picture, you can see that all is well. But when you watch an edited 2 millisecond clip with zooming in on JK's facial expression (during a performance on stage) and start trying to dissect that without context and read into that and create a whole narrative out of that clip, well then maybe you need to distance yourself, because that isn't healthy.

It's very easy to fall down that rabbit hole. Let things like that consume you. But you need to not let it happen. Because at the end of the day JM and JK are 2 individuals that we do not know personally, that are living their lives mostly privately away from us and that shouldn't impact our lives in an unhealthy way.

I love those two.

I love who they are as human beings.

I love their love.

But there has to be a balance. A life - Jikook balance (just like our work-life balance).

I know that seeing them, their happiness, can be a supplier of dopamine for us (talking about chemically induced happiness...) and that could be great. But it can also be a two sided sword, because for some it becomes a fix. And when that fix isn't supplied, well we know where that leads to. You can't rely on these two beautiful human beings, who are strangers to you, for that daily fix of happiness. You have to find a way to be happy in your own life and then also enjoy what they have to give us.

You cannot base your happiness on 2 people that really don't have anything to do with you and that are fighting their own battles to live their lives as happily and freely as they can.

I've seen people who have ended up hating the two or one of them, ex Jikookers, who had gone down this road. Their love for Jikook turning into hate for at least one of the two. Blaming that person for the breakdown of Jikook as they perceived it. Creating and spreading lies and false narratives about that person. They have become so full of hate that they can't see how what they are doing is harming the other person in that equation. They are so filled with hate that they can't see how that second person loves the first more than anything in the world and by spreading this hate and hateful narrative they are harming the idol they say they love so dearly. They go down the TKKer path, creating false narratives around the obvious closeness of the two, tails of fanservice and other kinds of bullshit to explain away clear couple behavior that is still obvious and evident.

It's a slippery slope, one you don't want to go down.

So, at the end of this, all I want to say is that all is well in Jikook-land. They are good. They are together. They are happy with each other.

Can there be outside pressure? Sure.

Can they be struggling with that outside pressure, or with their busy schedules? 100%.

That has zero to do with them as a couple. They are ok. They are clearly still together and very much in love.

Just go watch them, listen to them. Do the Macro, not the Micro.

I get what you're saying. I think it's not about them interacting less and more about us getting much less content to see these interactions.

The content we are getting from the company is meh.

Other than Hot ones, the promotion content felt rigid, disconnected, there was a clear push of certain duos (I mean you had to be blind not to notice which pairings seemed to be constantly sat together and which duo seemed to be separated by as many other members as possible most of the time).

From the start of this comeback we've been seeing the emphasis being on certain members more than others. It shows in the content clips and it shows very clearly in the camera work for the concerts. You have to be blind not to notice this.

The company content feels sanitized, sterilized.

Much shorter behind videos. More so clips than videos. Gone are the days of 20 to 40 minute behinds. The moments of interaction we get are millisecond long mostly.

We are getting very little doses of Jikook in this official content, crumbs really (thank god for concert fan cams). Not holding my breath for memories this time. The feeling I'm getting is that there has been a shift in how they want to show them to us. Gone are the days of seeing them in their best and worst. I am trying to think how to put this into words. It feels cold and disconnected.

Idk if this is something the members wanted - this disconnect from us, the fans, in an attempt to create a barrier of sorts, now that they have grown and feel the need for more privacy, or if this is about Westernizing them and their content, to be more like what you would get from a Western artist - again, creating this distance from the fans. Either way, it's created a feeling of disconnect from the members, a coldness of sorts in the way their content is coming through.

Now to Yoongi and Jikook.

I don't think there is a disconnect between them. I think that they are the same as always. We are just not getting to see it because we are getting zero to no proper behind content. For example, we wouldn't know that JK goes running with YG if not for YG's vlog, right? We also have a few fan cam Yoonmin interactions from the concerts that show all is well with those two.

Add to that the fact that as a whole YG has been super quiet since the end of his service. Some is his choice, but I do feel like some of him not being highlighted in the content is a company decision due to the scooter "scandal" (Like ffs, it's done and dusted, he paid the "price", just let him be). Idk if it's just me, but it does feel like YG has been moved to the back in this comeback. Less involved. Less visible.

Same old with Tumblr. :(

So, hopefully this one will pop up for y'all, with a link to my latest post:

Love y'all...

I was especially impressed by your nuanced take on JK's "crush" story. Your take is very similar to my own. I consider myself an OT7 Jikook supporter. I'm actually Suga biased, even though I probably have the most in common with JK (gaming, anime, CK underwear collection). JK's crush story sounds a lot like things I used to say at that age before coming to terms with my own sexuality. Watching the boys reinvent and renegotiate their masculinity over the years also resonates with my own journey. Their moments of honesty and vulnerability are one of the reasons I love BTS so much, especially Jikook.

On to the actual question. I don't think you mention the "rainy day fight" in your timeline analysis. I was wondering when you think that may have occurred. I think there are enough details to roughly place the time period. This argument seems like a potentially important turning point in their relationship. If I were speculating, I might guess the rainy day fight is what preceded JK's softening attitude towards JM. So, perhaps sometime in 2014 or 2015 before they started engaging in more obvious courtship behavior. Definitely before 2016, by which time I believe the courtship period had ended and they became "official." All of this culminating in the GCFT honeymoon trip.

Thank you so much for cataloging all these wonderful memories, while keeping it classy and respectful to these two beautiful human beings.

Hello love. Thank you so much for your kind words. I got into this because of the pull those two had on my heart. There is something ever so special about the two of them. Beautiful human beings with a beautiful fairytale-like love story. If only people were willing to see it, to support it.

So thank you again for taking the time, reading my posts, my thoughts. I don't presume to know it all, these are my observations based on my subjective life experience, the way I see things in the context of who they are, where they come from, their surrounding and upbringings as far as we know about it. It's important for me to say this, because as per your question here, most of what I write is based on that. My perspectives of what I've seen, over the timeline (the timeline is VERY important - observing their behaviour, their dynamic over the years, see how it changes, recognizing at times a specific period of several days even where there is a clear change in the dynamic, being able to identify that that there was a moment where things changed between them - that there was a clear shift in behaviour). I'm not a young chick (kinda wish I was, lol), I have life experience, relationship experience, work experience and all those obviously influence the conclusions I come to.

As you mentioned, we also at times see ourselves in them. I, for example, saw myself in JK with his shyness, the way he had to have control over certain situations, especially in public or on camera, the need to have this protective mask. The need to be prepared to a fault and the panic when you are hit by a curveball. He's gotten better at this, although at times you still see that panic as it hits when he's dealt with a JM curveball (oh, JM loves to throw him those at times - one of his favourite pass-times, lol).

So yes, we clearly see things through our subjective eyes.

All I can say is that I feel blessed to have had a relatively good life (living through the good, surviving through the bad), a happy and healthy long term relationship, which allows me to see what said relationship would look like (do we even start talking about tkks and what that means about them?).

Ok, let's get down to business here.

You ask about The Rainy Day Fight.

My timeline. I'm so bad. I kind of stopped mid 2018 and haven't continued it. Maybe one day I'll have the time and much needed patience to follow up on it. So, my apologies there. But you are correct, I didn't talk about the rainy day fight in that. Mostly for 2 reasons. The first being that I didn't talk much about them before the shift in their dynamic. For me, when working on the timeline, it was about giving a short baseline and then, more importantly, where the change happened and where it took them. Second reason I didn't mention the rainy day fight being that other than Festa 2020 and Still with you, we really didn't know much about this fight.

First we heard about the fight was Festa 2020. We got a rough whereabouts of when it happened from JM (who, to be fair, didn't know what JK was talking about at the start) and we got that it was very impactful for JK, who carried it with him for all these years, enough to bring it up as something he felt he had to apologise for all these years later and enough for him to write a song about (we believe).

Here's me about that Festa story we got:

We waited for 3 years basically (since we first heard about the fight) for them to talk to us about it. And once they did, I had observations.

Funny how JK finally decided to open up and talk about this fight on the 5th of June 2023. A fight that they have been asked about time and time again for the 3 years that followed the Festa reveal . One of those Jikook "coincidences" I guess, that happening to be the day that Still with you was released for streaming for Festa 2020.

You know and I know, by now, that there are no coincidences with those two. Only patterns.

So, let's get down to it.

First to talk about it was JK in his live June 5 2023:

Followed by JM in his live on June 15th 2023:

I go into detail in both these posts. About what each one of them says and about what my thoughts are about it all.

You specifically ask me what my take is as far as the timing of the fight. And I do mention it in both my posts, but I will talk about it again.

JK and JM's accounts as to when it happens are different. According to JK it's pre-debus, when they were trainees, which would mean mid to late 2012 to mid 2013 , while according to JM it would be probably around 2014-15 (he's a little all over the place with his recollection of the timing).

As I mentioned in my posts, I'm betting on JK's account as far as the timing. I think that this fight was way more impactful to him than it was to JM. Not that it wasn't impactful to JM, but not in the same way it was to JK, who carried it with him for years to come. JM, back in the Festa dinner clearly remembered the fight, but you can also see, from the way it takes time for it to register with him, not to mention, again, him not quite remembering when it happened, that it was something that happened that left more of a sweet memory with him rather than any kind of bitter residue or something that was a defining moment for him.

I don't think this was a turning point as far as their romantic relationship. I really don't think this was about that. We don't know what JK said to JM, clearly neither of them wanted us to know that, as they both glossed over that part of the story. What we did get is that it was dramatic, that JM said he was washing his hands of JK and the impact that had on JK, who would have been 15 years old at the time (according to his timeline).

I gotta say that I'm also not sure JK knew JM that well at that point. Maybe not that side of JM. JM can be tough, he can be angry, sharp. And perhaps that was a side that JK didn't see of him until then. Which would have resonated with him even more believing that JM meant what he said. Because clearly in that moment of anger he said what he said, but also as clearly once JK showed vulnerability and needed him, that angry side was forgotten and he was back to hyung caring for a cute crying JK. So, that too makes me think this happened earlier rather than later. It's about their budding friendship rather than their budding romantic feelings.

I know that there are a lot of army and Jikookers that genuinely think that JK either didn't like JM to start with or wasn't close to him. I mean, there are still people that won't accept that the two are the closest duo in the group (because it ruins their ridiculous ot7 dream of everyone loves each other the same way). But I digress (you will come to see that happens a lot with me). I'm not going to go into it too much, but it is important for me to establish the baseline here. JK and JM were always close (from what we got from them close to and after the debut). All within the construct of JK's early years shy and bratty and sometimes perceived as cold shoulder behaviour. JM was a breath of fresh air, joining the others later on, closer to their debut, a connection to home (Busan). Someone that was cute and funny and warm and accepting and his older brother's age. Someone that clearly was enamoured by JK (at that point I think it was also about having someone that reminded him of home, Busan, his younger brother, someone that JM found fit so well into that big heart of his with his shyness and innocence). What many fans got back then, first years after the debut, was a bratty JK who tended to shy away from JM and JM's touch when on camera. A JK who time after time ranked JM last on the members looks. On the other hand they got to see a JM who is constantly fawning over JK, supposedly wanting his attention, while the younger isn't keen on giving him said attention. We have JM stating he wants to take him traveling, wants to go to the beach and hold his hand, wants to go on a date with him, asking for kisses, chasing after him, vying for his attention while JK is giving him a cold shoulder. All this on camera 2013 to early 2015. So what were people supposed to think? Right?

Well, actually, if you look closely, if you watch all the content out there, read interviews, you see a totally different picture. And most of the time it's coming from JK himself. And I'm talking about content from those years. Not new content. Fanmeets, interviews, company content from 2013-15. There is a reason why JM was the one who used to do the video logs with JK back in 2013. There is a reason why in American Hustle Life in that god awful episode they are "kidnapped" (that was so fucked up) when they are in that room sitting and waiting, thinking they have been kidnapped for real, it's JM that ends up sitting next to JK (this was edited out, but you have YG sitting next to him at first and then suddenly it's JM - the how and why is cut out in the editing but it's clear that JM is the one to calm JK in that situation). We have JK telling us in 2014 that he likes JM too much and that's why sometimes he acts the way he does. We have him telling us in 2014 that JM is the one easiest to talk to.

Btw, him saying he ignores JM in that same interview... yeah, not buying that for one second. Not in 2014. Yes, he was bratty. Yes, he was hot and cold (especially end of 2014 into 2015 when I believe he was struggling with pinpointing what it was he was feeling for JM exactly, struggling with having feelings of a nature he "shouldn't" be having). Again me digressing. My point is that JK wasn't ignoring JM. Definitely not off camera. He was seeking him out. He was sleeping with him. He was practicing with him. He was cuddling him while asleep. He was telling us that if he was a girl he would want to date JM.

My point after all of this is that this here, JK's reliance on JM, this was post the rainy day fight.

I think that JK's timeline is the accurate one. I think that this happened at a point when they were getting close, but not as close. A point when the bond with JM was building but JK didn't understand, just yet, how important JM was to him. Didn't know what it would mean to lose that warm blanket of JM's friendship, care and love.

We don't know what it was that JK said to JM, but we do know it was enough for JM to basically tell him to piss off. That he's washing his hands of JK. We don't know just how bad what JK said was, but again, I think that whatever it was, it was said earlier on in their bond and not 2014-15 because I do think JM was too enamoured by him by that point to have had such a severe reaction to whatever it was that was said at the time on the one hand, all to basically kind of forget about the fight later on. On the one hand we have JK holding onto this fight, clearly it being formative for him, feeling the need to bring in up years later, while JM remembers it, but it's clearly not something to dramatic for him. For JM to wipe his hands of JK in 2014-15, when they were clearly closer and JM was clearly invested in that relationship, whatever JK said would have to have been really hurtful on a level that you would think that JM would carry with him (even if forgiven, not forgotten). Also, if this was the turning point in their relationship, from friends to something more, I believe it would have been more impactful for JM as well. But it's not. It clearly meant more to JK. Something he carried with him. I think this is about JK realizing that he needs JM. That he wants him by his side, he wants him close as a close friend, as someone to look up to, someone to help guide him, someone to care for him, someone to look out for him, someone who can understand him. This isn't about romance. It's about the understanding that this is a person that you need by your side, and that what you did has pushed him away. That Eureka moment of realisation how important that one thing was to you after you had just lost it.

Another reason why I think this was pre debut and not about them moving from friends to more than friends is because it felt like Hobi wasn't aware of this fight. And we know that Hobi knows it all, lol. Hobi has seen these two grow from friends to lovers to life partners. Out of the lot of them Hobi is the one that has seen it ALL. Probably seen and heard too much. Things he would rather have not, lol.

One more thing to consider, something small and maybe inconsequential, is the fact that JK got lost, not knowing where he was. Chances are higher this would happen in the earlier days rather than later days (after living in Seoul for 3 to 4 years). Not that it couldn't, you know, it being at night, raining, him upset. But it would make more sense if it was earlier on (him younger and newer to the city).

Ok, so there you have it.

My opinion.

The rainy day fight happened pre debut and was a defining moment for JK more so than for JM as to just how important JM was to him as a hyung. We will probably never know what it was that JK said for JM's reaction to be as it was. It clearly stayed with JK all these years after. But whatever it was, it's also didn't have as big of an impact on JM.

One last thing before I go.

JM posted 4th June 2023 at JK o'clock (9:01 pm).

JK went live 4th June 2023 on the 3rd anniversary that Still for you dropped for streaming, telling us about the rainy day fight.

We also have this, if you are into the numbers:

AYS 2 - 3 Dec 2025

We got the timetable

AYS2 is coming

AYS2 Main Trailer

When they say romantic, well it is ROMANTIC

Jikook promoting AYS2

And now Jikook on GQ Japan

AYS2 weekend update

Well hello

AYS 2?! Season 2 - D day

AYS 2?! photobook preorder tomorrow

JK "crush" story AYS 2 - Episode 3

"JK woke me up" story clip

AYS2 - Episode 6

AYS2 - Some thoughts

AYS2 - Episode 1 (not really?)

AYS2 Episode 1 continuation

Let's talk some more about AYS2 episode 1

When he boarded his flight out of JFK, he posted the Korean text '홈 윗스 홈' (Hom-wit-se-hom). At first glance, a lot of auto-translation apps rigidly glitched it as 'Home X Home' or 'Home with Home,' but it’s actually a really clever, playful Korean syllable reversal of the English phrase '홈 스윗 홈' ('Home Sweet Home')! In Korean texting culture, intentionally flipping syllables like that is a cute, relaxed way to show massive, goofy relief that a grueling work cycle is finally over. Culturally, 'Home Sweet Home' is used to define that exact boundary where the heavy public mask drops, and your real, private life begins.

It connects so beautifully to your point about them keeping their safe spaces private. After a brutal week of crossing international time zones and separating for solo NYC business, the very second he benched into his seat to fly back to where Jimin is resting, he declared 'Home.' We know from their own words—like JK calling Jimin his 'resting place'—and their incredible dynamic on Are You Sure?! that 'home' for them isn't a physical house or a zip code; it's each other.

It’s the ultimate real-world proof of your mantra: not seeing them together doesn't mean they aren't together. He wrapped his corporate duties and immediately set his sights on his true safe harbor to start their well-earned two-week break. Thought you’d love this little linguistic piece of the puzzle! 💛🐰🐥

Love this!!

And you know, it kind of reminds me of this, now that I think of it.

Way back in September 2023.

That was kind of wild.

Ain't it wonderful to take a walk down memory lane once in a while.

Anyway, home is where your heart is.

And we know where JK's heart is at.

But I guess it's time to address it again. Because it looks like people have a very very short memory or an inability to apply critical thinking when it comes to what it actually is that JM and JK are to each other.

I've seen some words being thrown around again about the two. The regulars, yes, but I thought we were past this, at least for anyone that isn't a demented cult member. You know, the types that need to post AI created photos and get over 20K likes for made up creepy ass pics.

And I'm gonna veer away from my point for just one tiny little moment to call out Jikookers that create these kind of photos as well. This is creepy and unnecessary. a. We don't need made up moments when JM and JK supply us with so many as is; and b. It's actually deceitful and could also be disrespectful to the two. Whom we supposedly support. Support them and trust them with what they feel they can share with us. Don't make up shit that can possibly hurt them if it goes viral, if people believe it and share it. It makes us look bad (who really cares about that), but it firstly could make them look bad.

Back to the point of this post. Things that people love to say about JM and JK and what is between them. Anything other than the two being an actual couple.

A couple that have a travel show together filled with moments that can't be explained away as friendship or brotherly behaviour.

A couple that chose to go through a whole complex process to enlist in a programme that meant that they will be sent to one of the harder units because of this choice they made. The first idol duos to EVER do this. EVER.

I've been part of this fandom since 2020. And a supporter of Jikook and whatever they are to each other since more or less the same time. October 2020. And this shit, well, it's been around since forever. And me, I've written many a posts about this back way when, but I guess that I need to say it again in 2026.

People need some reminding.

On the one hand we have those that scream jikook are fanservice. Yes, even in 2026.

To them I say: where's my fucking fanservice bitch?

If these two, 2 members of the biggest band in the world, not kids, fully pledged adults, are bound by an arbitrary contract since 2015 more or less, forcing them to pretend to have a bond that isn't real, then I'm sorry, but they are in clear breach of said contract.

I object your honour!!

Give me my promised fanservice!!!

Funny how even in 2026, post military service, post AYS seasons 1 and 2, we are still getting either of them interacting more with other members than with each other.

And what better time to move on to the other claim. The other way to write their relationship off, name it something else as long as it's not calling them a couple. Cause eww... no gay allowed.

So, on the other hand, to those that clear as day see the two are most definitely the closest duo in the group (the first and only idols to enlist with the buddy system is one clue of many, their level of intimacy in AYS and the clear choice to spend that time together could be another) but are only friends, brothers, best mates, I ask: if so, if that's all they are, why are they the two that interact the least on stage? If all is innocent and dandy and no gayness detected EVERY SINGLE TIME they do interact (which most definitely isn't much), then why don't they do so more often?

Please explain that to me, cause the math, it ain't mathing.

What do we get?

We get those stolen moments in the dark.

When the lights are out. When the cameras aren't on them. When they think we might not be watching.

And even that has been cut down to a minimum.

Oh, maybe because when we do get them interacting we get this:

Yes, definitely brotherly love going on there.

Yes, they do slip up at times, lol. And they get loud. And then they go silent for the next 4 concerts.

So pray tell me, if this was fanservice and it was so important to the company to be pushing this duo (may I remind that this is the least popular duo in the fandom - because of what they look like of course - discussion for another day), then why aren't we getting it????

And/or if they are just close friends, why the minimum interactions and why the clearly frustrated group leader when they finally do interact?? Why is there never an issue when TKK interact or when JK is hanging off Jin? No looks or nudges or frustrated faces. But when JM and JK are at it there is always a worried or frustrated frown going on.

If there is nothing there, if there isn't a chance they could go "too far" or show "too much" then why the apprehension?

Seriously.

You know exactly why.

Oh, and before I leave you, let's repeat my mantra one more time (because shit, it looks like many Jikookers have forgotten it already):

NOT SEEING THEM TOGETHER DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT TOGETHER

This has been proven time and time again over the years.

Was JK at it again?

First we had JK coming out of the closet, literally, in his live.

Then we had the flight to Brussels.

Yeah yeah, I know that wasn't JK's doing. and yet, this was kind of huge and definitely got some people's knickers twisted in a knot.

Then we had JK's Silver day post. The day. The song.

And now we have another song posted. A twilight/sunset view from the Eiffel tower.

With the song Midnight love by Girl in red.

And then we have this:

Is this JK trying to tell us something?

And what about JM?

JM liked JK's post.

This isn't something JM tends to do. He rarely likes JK's posts. As a matter of fact, both of them mostly tend to not like each other's posts on SM. They will like or repost same posts but not each others. The last post of JK's that JM liked was rather randomly JK's motorcycle clip posted on 24 May.

And now this one.

Makes you wonder.

Was that indeed a statement?

I guess it could all be one huge coincidence after all.

JK picking a song by an artist synonymous with queer.

JK picking a song with a line that fits them so perfectly.

And the lyrics embedding with the silver and gold.

All a huge fat coincidence.

But let's be real here.

When it comes to those two, do we really think it is?

All while in the midst of it all we have Black N White's logo going from: For BTS Jungkook and Jimin to now Featuring Jimin and Jungkook?

From this:

To this:

And tagging them too?

This isn't a cosmetic change of a logo.

Do we get just how huge this is? Do we?

So far we've had solo photos of the two. But what will we get when the two are in the one frame?

I can't wait and see where that adventure takes us. Can't help but feel something big is a coming.

14 July 2026.

Just as a tiny reminder, Silver Day is a Korean romantic holiday where couples exchange silver jewelry to signify serious commitment. It is also traditionally considered an ideal time to introduce your partner to your parents for family approval (are we the family being introduced to the partner today?).

And JK has already wished happy Silver day.

This is a song by Park Ji Yoon - Dream of becoming a tree.

A song that came out in 2012!!

And just for reference, this is the same artist that sang the Coming of age ceremony song.

This one they were rehearsing to way back in 2016:

All being the same day as the recording of Own it!

Just saying.

You can read all about how I feel about that one in this post:

Anyway, JK chose to post the Bastille day fireworks that took place on 14 July to the sound of the FULL SONG by Park Ji yoon. A song that is 14 years old atp.

But because it's so old, and because not everyone knows it, well JK wanted to help us, so he literally embedded the lyrics into his clip.

Think about this. He took the time to search the lyrics and then embed them onto the clip that he filmed to time them with the song playing, of course.

Let that sink in.

That is not him just randomly, or even not so randomly, adding to a clip he filmed.

This is him filming the fireworks (on the eve of July 14th in Paris), then adding the song of his choice and editing on the lyrics as he did.

Oh, and he didn't just copy paste those lyrics. Nope.

He literally corrected spelling and spacing errors before adding the lyrics to his clip.

All this creation he posts on July 14th at 1:12 am Paris time.

The fireworks started at 11:00 pm and ended at 11:20 pm Paris time on the 13th.

He filmed , added the soundtrack and edited the lyrics in to post it by 1:12 am.

While in between all of this he also managed to post another 2 clips (the trio clip at 11:16 pm Paris time and the solo challenge at 12:23 am Paris time).

All while making sure this one is the last for the night, posted well into the 14th.

Celebrating the 14th.

That's dedication.

So, what is this song about, you ask?

As if we can't already guess.

Dream of becoming a tree

The dreams that head toward you and me will become light and flee,  It will rise up somewhere in that place The song you built for us will grow into a forest, construct a life of peace, and tell it all. Songs piled toward us, as forests they will grow and build a life of serenity to play for us (so that we can hear). The dream of every moment will protect you and me. What are you hoping for? Let's be together, let's be together forever (my love). Every dream of all this moment will protect you and me. What do you want?  Stay with me Stay with me forever (my dear) Every living meaning, even the lost smile will surely find another you and me. and lost smiles  will surely find another you and me (for us).  That deep cord of despair will bind you and me together. Rest here for a while. It is okay to cry out loud. Yes, endlessly . That rope of deep desperation will tie you and me up. Take a rest here for a moment.  Out loud, you may cry, endlessly.  Yes,  endlessly. 

This isn't only about love.

This is about permanence. About being there for each other ALWAYS.

Growing together.

Staying together.

Forever.

Through the highs and the lows.

Especially through the lows!!

Endlessly!!

And these lines:

The dream of every moment will protect you and me. What are you hoping for? Let's be together, let's be together forever (my love). Every dream of all this moment will protect you and me. What do you want?  Stay with me Stay with me forever (my dear)

Idk, they kind of take me back to these lines:

Baby, don't leave Just stay by my side, yeah To you, who see me bigger than what my little self is (to you) So that I can give as much as I’ve received (oh-oh) So that I can keep my word (oh-oh) Don't worry, just stay by my side, yeah (Yeah) We don’t know what the future holds (holds, yeah) And that’s scary and makes us afraid (oh-oh) But don’t forget that we’re always together (don't forget)

Letter, of course!!

But that could be just me.

Anyways, Silver day.

Today.

Can't help but wonder what sus new piece of jewellery they will show up with after today. Sus and constant.

previous silver days:

2019

Captioned: Jiminie hyung's broad smile.

Idk, looks like someone else there has a pretty broad smile himself.

(I literally scrolled down the feed to 2019 to find this one).

2020

We have JM posting this.

Meaning something? Idk.

It was posted on the day. We know they drink together and sure as hell did back in 2020, especially with the living arrangements back then.

2022

JM happened to show up with this necklace in the JITB party on 14 July 2022. A necklace he basically didn't take off for months to follow.

We also had the matching PolyC bracelets as well.

And this too, of course, lol.

2023

Of course Antoya for dinner.

And down to Connecticut for filming of AYS season 1.

2025

Happening to go live on July 14th.

JM happening to adorn this Chrome Hearts necklace.

Which JK found super interesting.

And which he continues to wear constantly. With added crosses and added combinations between him and JK, of course.

That latest one happening to represent Daddy bear, Mama bear and baby bear? 🤣🤣

So yeah, this definitely wasn't for us.

There were hints from Graff with the Golden era coming, JK happening to wear Graff jewellery during this comeback and a spoiler or two as well.

But now it's out.

First clip of a campaign to come.

If only I could afford even one of those rings...

And of course we will never have ANYTHING, not even being a jewellery ambassador, cover JM.

28 June 2026, and we got almost 4 hours of JK live.

No, I haven't managed to watch all three of the lives all through, but gosh jolly, I was there for at least one of the moments I'm gonna be talking about here, and it was super.

You know, I remember reading a Jikook prediction a while back saying that something big will happen in June (I'm not into these predictions, but I gotta tell you that I wouldn't mind for some of them to come true). Well, we're at the end of June and nothing earth shattering has happened just yet, but idk, to me today it felt that once again, if you paid attention to JK, this was definitely a loud one.

Idk how many beers he drank and if and how much he had to drink before the live, but we definitley got a JK who was a little loose. And it was a win for us.

I'm not sure where to start, but I guess I'll start from the once again confirmation that the white iphone is indeed the JK's photo and filming phone. uhm... I mean JK and JM's photo and filming phone.

Nothing huge. Just more confirmation. Again.

We also had JK doubling down on his "who will you save if a train came" answer in his short appearance in yesterday's NJ, Jin, Tae and JM live.

Of Course it would be JM.

Always!!

Just in case anyone had ANY doubts.

Loud?

Perhaps.

But hold on to your boots, because we got louder.

Remember this from yesterday?

Love that.

Funny thing though.

You know, how JK happens to be interested in whales too and happens to be watching whale videos too.

You have just gotta love those Jikook coincidences, right?

JK did mention JM a couple of times during the live.

Once while talking about improving his own dancing (he mentioned Hobi and JM).

But THE cherry on top of it all was this, of course:

/c.r. @JAKSAL_5813

Play in on repeat.

Just because.

Like seriously JK.

This is even better than having him sit for hours watching JM content.

Full frontal view, totally mesmerized by "sexy JM", HIS WORDS!!

We get a lip lick and lick bite and a couple of "oh JM"'s, and omg, the facial expressions at the end of it all.

And the "sexy Jimin", "sexy Jimin", "sexJi".

Ok then.

I'm wondering if he was referencing this, or it's just my mind going to this when I heard the sexJi...

How that man managed to continue his live and didn't storm out of there at that very moment - that takes some strong self control, lol.

Ok, so I'm gonna take this as an opportunity to talk about something.

This is, of course, my opinion, but that room JK's doing the live in, the room he's been doing his dance challenges in, it doesn't look lived in. They have been there for days now (since the 23rd) and the room is totally bare (table in front of that mirror basically empty)...

Closet empty.

And yes, I know NJ told us how JK was living out of his suitcases back in NY, and yet, wouldn't that mean that the room would be even less tidy than it is?

To me it feels like this is a backup room, you know, that uncluttered room (without JM's shit hanging around - can't have JM's undies showing up on the chair like we did back in the NJ 2019 live, now can we?), where he can do his dance challenges and lives in. Oh, and that room JM can kick his ass out to when he needs some sleep.

JM gotta get some beauty sleep sometimes.

I wonder if this here was JM whispering in JK's ear "I'm tired babe, will be needing my beauty sleep tonight"... LOL.

So yeah, like I said, my opinion.

Anyways, time for the creme de la creme of it all.

Because when JK wanna be loud, he can be as loud as f$^&

So, basically, JK literally came out of the closet.

I'm not lying guys.

HE LITERALLY DID!!

He moved the chair out of the way so we have a clear view, and the rest is just there for us to see.

Take it as you will.

I guess JM's statement was not loud enough.

JK felt he just had to outdo his bf.

You know when you see something - could be real life situations or even a show or movie you are watching - and there, right in front of your eyes, something happens that just makes you go "ooh, ok then..."? Those moments when pieces of the puzzle fall into place and give you that little piece of information that makes you understand where the story is at and where it's going? But it's a tiny, mostly insignificant moment in the scheme of things. Not too noticeable. And yet, if you or when you notice it, it's a "ooh, right" moment.

I'm not sure I'm conveying this properly. It's super clear in my mind, but writing it down is a little harder.

In any case, I do have a point here, and it has everything to do with the soundcheck for Busan's 2nd day concert.

This is the full clip of what went down. Nothing special really, the members walking out on stage. Each holding their mics. Then JM hands JK his mic as he fixes his pants or ties his shoe laces. JK talking to army rotating between his mic and JM's and then JM comes up and gets his mic back from JK.

At first, as the clips dropped on the day, we didn't get the full thing. It was JK with both mics. And then a clip of JK giving JM his mic, and only later there was the clip of JM giving JK the mic, and it was a little scattered and all over the place. Cute. Jikook. Not full picture.

And this is why I always say we should always strive to get the full picture. The context. The full interactions. Because they tell us everything. As they did with this moment.

This moment, to us, those that know that JM and JK are a couple, are in a long term romantic relationship, is just another super lovely coupley moment.

But to all those newly awaken fans, those who have started to see them as they are, those who have started their journey down this rabbit hole - this here, my friends, should be one of those A-ha moments I mentioned before. Yes, there are a thousand and one Jikook moments out there that are part of that "these two are a couple" puzzle. No doubt. But this kind of moment, for me in any case, is one of those under the radar subtle but louder than bombs moments that says everything!!

This is how the members were when they came out:

Then we have Hobi coming forward too, and JM clearly sees Hobi approaching:

And yet, he passes NJ (who is clearly a very close friend - confirmed by both).

Ignores Hobi, who is right there (he is filming, but still..), and Yoongi who he is now close to as well (also, super close with).

To do this:

JM has at least 3 other members he could have asked to hold his mic. He literally had NJ there beside him. And yet, he chose to slow down, walk behind and across NJ to JK's free hand, grab it and put his mic in his hand for safekeep.

No biggie.

But then again, isn't it?

It's just a mic, right?

Couldn't NJ hold it for him?

And see, if you look at the clip, JM thinks this through. He looks at his pants/shoes, he looks to the side and behind (clearly seeing NJ and Hobi) and makes his way to JK. Because there is NO OTHER OPTION.

JK is his person.

The one he will turn to for big and small.

Remember that conversation with NJ and Yoongi, both talking about how great JM is and how he is there for them and how close they are with him and how he talks to them and blah blah blah? Sorry, I'm a little touchy with that one. You know why? Because when they were asked who does JM turn to when he needs help, as in who is the person that JM relies on when he needs that emotional support, the one he leans on, their answer was evasive as shit - "you would have to ask him". As if they didn't know the answer already. As if the guys talking to them didn't (talking seconds earlier about JK). As if we didn't know the answer already (choosing to enlist together could be a hint or perhaps reading the lyrics to Letter could help too).

And here, this one moment we saw the other day, small tiny moment. And yet, even with this, holding his mic for a couple of seconds - such an insignificant thing -

The one person that JM seeks out is JK.

Seeking out your person to help you when you are in need of help, for the most minute thing is 100% couple behavior!! Even more so long term couple behavior!!

And again, this is one of so many of those moments we get to see of the two that show us just how much they mean to each other - beyond friendship, even the closest of a friendship.

It's moments like this here or when JK will cross a stage and 5 other members to stand next to JM or when they see something or feel something and the first person they will turn to or seek out to share it with is the other. These little moments of intimacy.

These are the moments you look out for.

They are automatic, they are raw, they are genuine.

Not a member grabbing another by the waist (the other one trying to face away) and creating a moment on stage.

Yes, I had to go there.

Bottom line, for the newbies - there are plenty of big loud Jikook moments out there, spread all through the past 11 years.

Many of them moments where they are the ones trying to tell us: "hey y'all, lookie here, we are a couple".

I mean JK sucking on JM's ear in front of 60K fans would definitely be him making a point. Or showcasing JM's workmanship on JK's neck - yes, I'm talking about the hickey he left him (JK literally caressing it while talking about it on camera) would be another.

The latest of those happening just one day earlier.

Those moments are them telling us something.

But it's the little ones like this one here that are the "ok then" ones - it's not them trying to hint to us or tell us or shout at us: "hey idiots, we're together - duh".

It's them just being. Giving us a glimpse of them being them. Even when they are part of BTS (unlike just the dynamic when it's just the two of them alone like in AYS).