지민이와정국이✨️

Hi, thanks for your message.

I'll start off with a disclaimer that I am not actively in the fandom and only check in occasionally. That has helped draw a certain distance between all the events that take place and myself, changing my perception quite a bit. It has also helped get rid of any personal bias and the need to obsessively study every detail.

So with that being said, I have personally not come across any discussions about this and there is not much to discuss in all honesty. Most of the pictures seemed to have been taken at Hybe or are work related as he is styled or wearing makeup. Therefore, I assume the context for them will be revealed in a released material later on and there is no point really in theorizing about any potential appearances of anyone.

https://x.com/peaches_bts/status/2003781240932159795?s=46&t=

Thank you so much

Hi anon,

Please refer to this answer I posted to a similar message:

I see that you prefer context being provided so here it is just in case! The two play a game where they have to figure out what the meaning of some phrases are when they're put into shorthand and reduced to just their first syllables, the funny thing Jikook had been doing nonstop. For 안남미, the director gives the hint "둘의 얘기예요. 둘의, 팬분들이 봤을 때 두 분의 얘기" which was translated to us as, "It's about the two of you. The fans' idea of you two." Jungkook then answers "안그래도 남사스러운데 미치겠네."

Thank you so much, and I'm so sorry this ask got so long!!!

Hi there,

Thanks for your kind message and thanks for being patient as I am working on multiple answers at the same time🙏

This moment in particular is very quick but offers an interesting peak into Jungkook's perception of how he thinks the fans percieve him with Jimin. It is also a very tounge-in-cheek comment that is meaningful for a lot of K-army.

Disclaimer: In my translations I tend to stay closer to Korean phrasing to bring the reader closer to how Korean sentences are structured, therefore my translations may vary from others and may not feel as natural in English. Assumed pronouns not included in the original Korean sentence are in brackets.

During the word game, 안남미 (an-nam-mi) comes up and as you wrote, the hint from the PD is: "(It's about) you two. The two of you, as seen by the fans/from the fans' perspective. " (my ver. of translation)

Jungkook answers from their fans' perspective:

안 그래도 | Already as (it is) / Even as (it is)

남사스러운데 | (Although it's) embarrassing/cringe-inducing

미치겠네 | (I'm) going crazy/ (It's) driving (me) crazy

When put together, the expression could be translated as:

Though (it's) embarrassing/cringe-inducing already as (it is) , (I'm) going crazy.

Or more loose translation with more English nuance and added interpretation:

I'm going crazy already cringing over these two.

(alt.: I'm going crazy from the second-hand embarrassment already because of these two.)

Now to explain the use of 남사스럽다 and why Korean fans relate to this comment. Even though the translation variations of this word include embarrassing, shameful, cringe-inducing, etc., it should be understood here in this particular context as second-hand embarrassment and in a lighthearted manner.

It is to be noted that K-fans often feel "embarrassed" when their faves get too affectionate, act too close or overly comfortable on camera. (i. e. they are projecting second-hand embarrassment onto them.) Therefore, Jungkook here is very cleverly showing that he is aware of how affectionate he acts with Jimin and he is also aware of how fans are cringing/getting embarrassed over their cute moments. He is basically conveying: "I know we are embarrassing, deal with it 🤪"

(This is all obviously to be understood in a light, joking tone. It could be imagined as someone watching AYS and covering their eyes and squeeling from the cuteness and closeness shown between Jimin and Jungkook. It is not meant to invoke any internal negative feelings connected to personal shame.)

The tone is further supported by the use of 미치겠네 as an expression of exasperation that K-fans also often use.

The reactions I saw from Koreans were: "He knows us well" or "He knows, so funnyyy" "Wow amazing, he knows us"

TLDR: Jungkook very cheekily expressed how he imagines fans react to their closeness on camera and demonstrated that he is very well self-aware (and also kinda unapologetic about it).

Please share your thoughts and opinions~

Anonymous option is for now enabled as well until I get tired of the trolls 🙃

PSA: If you are sending a translation request, I URGE YOU TO INCLUDE THE CONTEXT AND THE SOURCE ! The more additional research I have to do, the less likely it is I will answer your question.

Examples:

✅ Hi, can you translate xxxx that happened in xx episode around xxx timestamp? Thanks!

❌ Hi, can you talk about "xxxxxx"? Thanks!

They had fun travelling and they also had fun filming these promo materials. In this video released yesterday, it seems like they had to cut out multiple moments when the two were goofing around 😂

Multiple stages of Jimin:

Towards the end Jimin playfully scolds Jungkook for making him laugh too much (short breakdown below):

(Jimin gives a nice "promo like" answer and Jungkook is kind of impressed)

JK: 괜찮은데? | (It) was (actually pretty) okay? (informal tone) JM: 괜찮아요? 감사합니다 🤝 | Was it okay? Thank you. 🤝

JK JM: 😄😆 JM: 그만 웃기세요~ | Stop making me laugh~ JK: 왜요? | Why? (back to casual polite) JM: 눈이 자꾸 접혀서 번지잖아요. 눈이... | You know that* (my) eyes keep folding so (the makeup) smudges. The eyes... JK: 진짜 괜찮다고요 😄 | (I) said (it) was okay for real 😄

*Jimin uses 잖아요 as a verb form through which he is reminding Jungkook about an information he already knows, i.e. his struggle to keep his eyes open while laughing 😆

Jungkook gets defensive because he thinks Jimin is laughing at him for making a joke but Jungkook was actually trying to praise him for giving a good answer 😄

In this particular interview, Jimin responds with a soft defensive tone disagreeing with the PD about fighting Jungkook out of nowhere after the PD suggested they could stack the cards up high 😅 Why? He seemingly misheard 싸우다 (fight, argue) instead of 쌓다 (build/pile up, stack). I will break it down shortly below:

Discl.: In my translations I tend to stay closer to Korean phrasing to bring the reader closer to how Korean sentences are structured, therefore my translations may vary from others and may not feel as natural in English. Assumed pronouns not included in the original Korean sentence are in brackets.

JM: 쌓겠습니다~ | (I) will stack (them now)~

JM: 요정도 각도?! | About this angle ?!

PD: (높게) 쌓으실 수 있겠는데요? (heard 싸우실 수 있겠는데요?) | (It) looks like (you) would be able to stack (them) quite high? (heard as It looks like you could fight?)*

JM: 아니요, 우리 이런 걸로... 저희 이런 걸로 싸우지 않습니다. | No, we <over stuff like this>... We don't fight over things like these. (formal tone, JM emphasizes we)

JK: (?)

JK: 아니, '높게 쌓을 수 있을 것 같은데요' 라고 했는데, 뭘 싸워 ㅋㅋ | No, (they) said (it) seems like (we) could stack (them) high, what fight 😂 (informal tone)

JM: ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

JK: 뭔 소리야~ | What (you) talking about~ (informal tone)

JM: ㅋㅋ 질문 조심 대답해보겠습니다. | (I) will try answer (your) questions carefully 😅 (formal tone)

*the difference here is basically only in the eu and u pronunciation, as the ㅎ is not pronounced in the word 쌓다.

A few things I wanted to highlight here: As I remarked today while writing about another moment, during these interviews Jimin seems to lead the conversation and conduct it in a very polite way and in the high formal speech. That is nothing out of the ordinary, when talking to staff like a producer or the audience in an extended context. This seems to change though when Jungkook replies directly to him and often uses casual speech. Then they bicker/have a short exchange and go back to being formal. It's a very funny dynamic 😄

Another thing I always wanted to mention is the captions in Korean you see appear on the screen. They do not only transcribe what's being said but they appear to often add another layer to the jokes or the situation playing out on the screen. They are usually very well done and witty in AYS episodes. Unfortunately, they sometimes get omitted in translations and don't seem to appear in YT subs at all (due to YT limitations).

Found these pretty funny:

[What is this hyung on about🔥]

[ Error occurence from the start]

😅 [Please give me your questions quickly...!]

I am considering opening my inbox since I'll finally get some free time during the holidays. Would you guys be interested in submitting your questions, topic ideas or thoughts?

Hi, everyone! Before I start writing about specific translations from AYS2 I just thought I'd share some recent observations:

From Vogue Japan (my post on BlueSky), this clip was quite widespread:

JK says: 저는 여행갔을때 -이게맞아 여행갔을때는- 지민이형 얼굴만 계속 찍은거 같아요. 웃기게.

Most accurately translated: When I went on a holiday - when going on the 'Are You Sure' holiday - (it) feels like (I) only took pictures of Jimin hyung's face. In a funny way.

Note: I have seen probably 20 different translations which have all omitted the fact that Jungkook added 웃기게 (trans. funnily / in a funny way) at the end. It is grammatically not correct to be its own sentence and it is pretty clear from his intonation, it was meant to be an addition to the previous sentence.

What he is, therefore, saying is that he felt like he kept taking funny pictures of Jimin's face on this trip.

My immediate reaction:

The upload on Vogue's main channel also captures the right meaning (although right after this they completely butcher the translation of the next sentences... )

Overall, it changes the meaning only a little bit but it does not promote the overly romanticized narrative that everyone was so quick to share. However, the pursuit of truth and correct information is not really in style these days so I guess it doesn't really matter, does it? 🫠

The issue here is not even the fact that what people believe isn't true. We have seen Jungkook take plenty of nice pictures of Jimin and vice versa. My issue is with the Jikook community latching onto anything that could be inherently interpreted or understood as romantic and spreading that everywhere regardless of its accuracy or the context.

That being said, I have to reiterate I am not a shipper. I only ever want to take what the guys say as the truth and I am not here to speculate on matters that don't pertain to us, the audience. Please do not use my posts as shipping material. I am not interested to be partaking in a community that does not seem to value Jimin and Jungkook's bond without making it creepy and uncomfortable. For me Jimin and Jungkook are individuals first and foremost. Individuals that have been blessed to find solace in their strong connection. And I am very excited to be following them on their journey, currently through AYS 🩷

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Lastly, with the great rise of AI and everything good that it has brought us 🙃 I have noticed people claiming to be able to translate Korean out of nowhere, with no indication they have ever even studied it... Please be careful about what accounts you engage with. And another tip: if it makes no noise on K-army side it most likely means you are falling for a mistranslation (example above).

I will be coming back with a post on this conversation, which I've been looking forward to ever since the teaser!

'"Is this right?! (AYS)" has always been right. ' (alt. has always turned out right)