Calling out intertransmisogyny!!

I feel disgusted. I even listened to his side and validated that he was simultaneously a victim and abuser because no one else recognized or cared about the victim aspect. And this is the thanks I get as an intersex transfem who gave faer an ear to listen.

He said he was working on a doc to prove his innocence and that it was the other way around or something. The doc never happened. He ran instead and changed faer name, identity, stopped being transfemmasc, stopped being a lesbian. Abandoned everything he claimed to have stood for. This is not something someone who's innocent does. This is someone who's guilty and running away.

and further: now that it's been renamed as PMOS have begun calling it "fat female disorder" and using the rename to further undermine PMOS as an intersex variation along with downplaying the systemic intersexism & transmisogyny pwPMOS face.

This is intertransmisogyny

(Edit bc I was too tired earlier) Mod reply:

We have people on here trying to fucking play doctor. There are repeated issues of large community members accepting detailed drawings of people's genitals, whether it's on here, you're posting it or you're receiving them in a discord server.

This community let a pluralphobic transmed act as a community leader for months. For years. This was someone who frequently misused ASAB, was butchmisic towards transmasc butches, is a reddit user, especially on r/transgendercirclejerk, and claimed on more than one occasion that "trans radfems are either not trans or radfems."

This person went to reddit and said, and I quote, directly: "uj/ perisex tumblrites with 1 million mogai flags larping as intersex and bastardizing real intersex activism because they want very badly to call trans women "males"." This was said, albeit, about another member of the community who is most definitely worth criticizing but fakeclaiming is absolutely fucking unacceptable. This statement harms more than the intended target and hurts more intersex people like me who have complicated queer identities BECAUSE OF OUR INTERSEXUALITY.

THIS IS WHO WE HAD AT THE FACE OF OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS WHO YOU GAVE A PLATFORM. It didn't take until from what I could find, from literally February of THIS YEAR for you all to call it out.

(For clarity, I am not a radfem. I do not support radfems. I however do not fucking support degendering/misgendering trans people. When you tell a radfem they aren't really trans, you are literally doing that.)

So many of you don't care enough about the bastardization and colonization taking place in our community at the hands of intersexists. You don't care enough that decades of evidence and history discussing our oppression have been erased, buried, deleted to a point it doesn't exist anymore, or it's extremely buried and difficult to find. You don't care that intersexists have rewritten history in their favor. You don't care that they've essentially done the equivalent of bookburnings to our history and literature.

You don't listen to victims and survivors of IMV (Intersex Medical Violence), IGM or forced HRT. You put the feelings of perisex people who have erased our history and bastardized our oppression to hell in back above us. The meaning and history of ASAB may not be a big deal to you if you haven't suffered like we have, but it's a big deal to a lot of us who have.

You should care more. You should care about us more. You should make this space better. You should make this space safer. It's not just intersexist perisex people running us off the site. I didn't leave because of perisex people.

Yet despite all that, the primary focus of these things is animus towards unhoused people.

That cis women or TME trans people get hit by the splash damage of it doesn’t mean that the intention isn’t to hurt trans women.

Cis men are not TMA. Cis men, like all cis people, are TME.

Being TMA is about one’s societally imposed gender and their relationship to it. TME is anything outside of being TMA.

Being TMA is when society expects and forces you into the male gender role, when that is not who you truly are.

An AFAB intersex person who undergoes an unwanted male puberty? Their parents, doctors, and the medical system is set up to “correct” them back to their AGAB, making them TME. This person may have a better understanding of what TMA people go through, and can face transmisogyny on an interpersonal level, but they crucially does not the experience of systemic transmisogyny.

An AMAB intersex person who doesn’t realize it until they start growing breasts at 13, and wants to keep them? Their parents and doctors would be very lately to pressure that person into top surgery to remove them, even though it’s not what they want. This person would be TMA because they are being forced into the “male” box of society in spite of their wishes.

A cis drag performer can present as female on the stage, but when they are done, they take off the makeup and wig, and present to the world as a cisgender man. Yes he’ll likely face interpersonal transmisogyny, but he does not face the full brunt of systemic and societal transmisogyny.

drag came from ballroom culture trans communities used to be incredibly race segregated and drag queens and drag kings were the terms genderqueer bipoc used for themselves it is not only inaccurate to say that drag performers can take off their makeup and wig and face no systemic societal transmisogyny as there are countless laws passed specifically targeting drag performers and "well if drag just didnt exist it wouldnt be a problem" is a wild thing to say about an entire art form and one no one would dare to suggest about similar art forms like comedy or theatre but it also deeply ahistoric and spits directly in the face of the black and hispanic drag queens who we directly have to thank for the stonewall riots like sylvia rivera miss major and marsha p johnson

and you said that shit during fucking pride month

you can say "oh those were trans drag performers" but they werent allowed that term they were explicitly told that community wasnt for them AND there actually functionally is no difference in the argument that "they could take off the wig and makeup at the end of the day" whether they are trans or cis because they are not judged by society by their internal sense of identity but by their actions and expression a trans drag artist can still take off their makeup and wig at the end of the day and it makes them no less trans

these women werent targeted because of who they are internally the cops couldnt give a shit about that they were targeted because of what they wore like very literally because of the three articles of clothing law and marsha "pay it no mind" johnson very explicitly didnt tell people whether or not she was trans sylvia and miss major both later in life identified that way but marsha never got that chance because she was killed and her murder was covered up by the cops thats why we remember her every fucking year

"drag performers can take the makeup and wig off at the end of the day" tell me how this functionally as an argument is in any way different from "tims arent oppressed if they stopped pretending to be women no one would bother them" i dont actually care about what internal qualifier you spin on that a thing you cannot know or ascertain based on another persons actions the argument full stop is "well if they just stayed in the closet they wouldnt have any issues"

a social framework for understanding oppression should fit itself around how that oppression is experienced and not instead insist that any experiences that exist outside of the framework are irrelevant or straight up lies

and at the end of the day when we discuss trans people and those affected by transmisogyny that should include ALL trans people

Yet despite all that, the primary focus of these things is animus towards unhoused people.

That cis women or TME trans people get hit by the splash damage of it doesn’t mean that the intention isn’t to hurt trans women.

Cis men are not TMA. Cis men, like all cis people, are TME.

Being TMA is about one’s societally imposed gender and their relationship to it. TME is anything outside of being TMA.

Being TMA is when society expects and forces you into the male gender role, when that is not who you truly are.

An AFAB intersex person who undergoes an unwanted male puberty? Their parents, doctors, and the medical system is set up to “correct” them back to their AGAB, making them TME. This person may have a better understanding of what TMA people go through, and can face transmisogyny on an interpersonal level, but they crucially does not the experience of systemic transmisogyny.

An AMAB intersex person who doesn’t realize it until they start growing breasts at 13, and wants to keep them? Their parents and doctors would be very lately to pressure that person into top surgery to remove them, even though it’s not what they want. This person would be TMA because they are being forced into the “male” box of society in spite of their wishes.

A cis drag performer can present as female on the stage, but when they are done, they take off the makeup and wig, and present to the world as a cisgender man. Yes he’ll likely face interpersonal transmisogyny, but he does not face the full brunt of systemic and societal transmisogyny.

drag came from ballroom culture trans communities used to be incredibly race segregated and drag queens and drag kings were the terms genderqueer bipoc used for themselves it is not only inaccurate to say that drag performers can take off their makeup and wig and face no systemic societal transmisogyny as there are countless laws passed specifically targeting drag performers and "well if drag just didnt exist it wouldnt be a problem" is a wild thing to say about an entire art form and one no one would dare to suggest about similar art forms like comedy or theatre but it also deeply ahistoric and spits directly in the face of the black and hispanic drag queens who we directly have to thank for the stonewall riots like sylvia rivera miss major and marsha p johnson

and you said that shit during fucking pride month

you can say "oh those were trans drag performers" but they werent allowed that term they were explicitly told that community wasnt for them AND there actually functionally is no difference in the argument that "they could take off the wig and makeup at the end of the day" whether they are trans or cis because they are not judged by society by their internal sense of identity but by their actions and expression a trans drag artist can still take off their makeup and wig at the end of the day and it makes them no less trans

these women werent targeted because of who they are internally the cops couldnt give a shit about that they were targeted because of what they wore like very literally because of the three articles of clothing law and marsha "pay it no mind" johnson very explicitly didnt tell people whether or not she was trans sylvia and miss major both later in life identified that way but marsha never got that chance because she was killed and her murder was covered up by the cops thats why we remember her every fucking year

"drag performers can take the makeup and wig off at the end of the day" tell me how this functionally as an argument is in any way different from "tims arent oppressed if they stopped pretending to be women no one would bother them" i dont actually care about what internal qualifier you spin on that a thing you cannot know or ascertain based on another persons actions the argument full stop is "well if they just stayed in the closet they wouldnt have any issues"