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I didn't mean John being depressed was the problem, he has a lot of good reasons to be and even if he didn't that wouldn't make him being depressed wrong. It just seemed like the other kids kind of let him isolate himself a lot, though rewatching the credits it wasn't as severe as I thought it was.

The thing about the Credits is that they’re obviously a lead-in to something. I don’t think that something was the Epilogues - or, rather, the form the Epilogues ultimately took is likely not what Hussie had in mind when he made the credits: tone issues, mostly. I like the Epilogues a good deal and much that happens in them is not all that dissimilar from the level of violence and horror in OG Homestuck. But the tone is different. The Epilogues do not seamlessly transition from the Credits - some of that might have to do with colour palette. Going from panels to pure text is a genuine shift.Regardless John is being set-up to have some kind of frustration with his life. Even in the Credits it’s clear that not everything on Earth-C is a paradise. Yes, his friends did let him isolate himself - but at the same time this group finally has the opportunity to be less incestuously bound-up in one-another’s lives all the time. The care of John is first and foremost in the hands of John, not anyone else.But the epilogues take that set-up in the credits and go hard-in on it - maybe a little too hard.

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What do you think about the theory going around that Rose Quartz was able to possess Yellow Diamond and use her to shatter Pink Diamond? I'm not really sure if Rose even had that ability or if it was that powerful, but I feel like it'd help explain both why YD is acting so shifty and wants the Earth obliterated and why Rose didn't seem to have ever denied doing it.

I’ll be honest, I don’t think it’s likely.

The entire point of Zircon’s revelation in The Trial was to show us that Rose could not have killed PD. Yes, her possessing Yellow would probably have allowed her to do it, but having that loophole defeats the entire point of the twist

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Remember what made Amethyst finally run off? "WHEN DID YOU EVEN HAVE A CAT?"

i h8 this theory tho its weird

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It seems to me that Terezi's in dire need of a caligunous relationship that brings out the best in her, instead of the worst.

*caliginous

And yeah, we’ve covered this if you’ve kept up with my Romspeccing. (Vriska Vriska Vriska Vriska Vriska)

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Rambling Midnight-1AM Homestuck Update Thoughts - 5/7/2013 Cherub Worldbuilding

Okay, so, there was a lot of stuff we could pull out of this update, a lot of god damn stuff, and I haven't sorted through half of it yet. Instead, I was dizzily using a sparring partner to theorize about this stuff and try, just try, to keep my head on straight about what was going on? I mean, it might have seemed straightforward, but so many things probably need clarification and adjustment....

Aughbluhfrghfvf. I love Homestuck.

Anyway... under the cut I talk about these cherubs' worldbuilding, some other stuff, stuff about Light and black holes and reality reproduction evidence and Knight to D6 and what the hell a third scratch is gonna do now and even roxy/cherub kisses and potential goddamn realities maybe resetting but probably not and then some stuff that the creator of Project: Ballad talked to me on twitter earlier about (you guys should look at my twitter on the sidebar stuff's finally going to be happening there) with a nice quote from the comic implying that Davesprite is somehow the one who moves Earth??? through completely unknown means but, yeah, that would at least serve some of the earlier cherub reference purposes in his arc, and the whole dang, uh, where's the link to it... here, that theme. Disclaimer, don't take ANYTHING SERIOUSLY about these random musings, I'm not assigning serious probability to these even if I use words like 'is' and stuff, moreso than ever in these chats I'm just assuming branches to try to walk down them and see what happens if it's true, to help determine likelihood later when I'm more coherent and revisit this pile of BS

(EDIT: Updating (for like a day or 2) repository of links on thoughts: Lord English "earns his wings" metaphorically by jacking Jake's body for the endgame after the breach opens, which is from a meta standpoint why he might be 'missing' angel wings right now - ...(edited-in links to come maybe, as asks are answered))

Augh god I just realized there's going to be another Homestuck update tomorrow night before I've even finished sorting the other half of this out... @___@

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Rose's drunken exposition sounds a little too much like your rantings when you're exhausted. This is worrisome.

Yeah, I noticed. Was I foreshadowing it inadvertently???

[10/24/12 9:25:26 PM] blastyoboots: god I feel like I should be doing something to handle this update but can't

[10/24/12 9:25:45 PM] TheFinalWraith: All out of 'can's?

[10/24/12 9:26:02 PM] blastyoboots: guess so

[...]

[10/24/12 9:45:34 PM] TheFinalWraith: I do think it's kind of neat how the idea of going on a date with Kanaya

[10/24/12 9:45:47 PM] TheFinalWraith: Appeared to pretty much tear down all of Rose's walls.

[10/24/12 9:47:07 PM] TheFinalWraith: I guess it's...

[10/24/12 9:47:10 PM] TheFinalWraith: Cute?

[10/24/12 10:16:23 PM] blastyoboots: it's fucking adorable

Anyway, it turns out she was just nervous. Super fucking nervous, and maybe rather ignorant about the strength of her drinks.

[10/24/12 9:10:28 PM] TheFinalWraith: Someone had a good analogy for this update

[10/24/12 9:10:37 PM] blastyoboots: give me

[10/24/12 9:10:42 PM] blastyoboots: i need ways to interpret it

[10/24/12 9:10:51 PM] TheFinalWraith: "Rose ran face-first into her own ship and didn't even dent the hull."

Keep in mind: the confirmed idea that Rose is a lesbian, here, makes the relationship arguably impossible to avoid as an ending scenario. There will be conflict and at least one major, dramatic obstacle, sure, but it's pretty clear to see that they'll both be either dead or together in the end.

But the nature of that conflict is set to be interesting? Especially since Rose is apparently, unexpectedly, as nervous and likely to let things fall apart as Kanaya seemed to be before.

[10/24/12 9:15:51 PM] TheFinalWraith: Also kind of weird that they're only going on their first date on year 2

[10/24/12 9:16:02 PM] TheFinalWraith: How insecure can you even be?

[10/24/12 9:16:38 PM] blastyoboots: the answer is apparently Rose

(It'll be nice and healthy to see Kanaya being the assertive one for a change, at least. And again, there's that reproduction mention I made that could still be brought up in a different context.)

Okay wow, I was going to make this post more speccy but I ended up just throwing around ultimatum-like assertions?!?? What the hell, me. I'm actually in "cnat-ytpe mrosde" due to burnout from caffeine imbibed earlier in the day, right now, but I was hhoping to hold it back enough for a constructive post with extreme effort. Guess I can't quite get my brain to work even if I can force my fingers to. 'night guys

EDIT: Oh, and thodust, I wanted to say that I actually shouldn't have disagreed with you so hard, and I'll give you a proper reply later in the week when I have more lucid time to write. :)

EDIT2: And I forgot to mention that I somewhat expect Rose to break out bawling next panels?

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Anonymous asked you:

upd8 thoughts???

Well, I don't see anything really new or serious. I already covered Tavros's attitude in this post, how it may reflect role inversion, and Vriska seems about how I'd normally expect.

Though, since many of you guys seem to somehow be viewing disaster in this update, I guess I should clarify my thoughts on the matter...

thefinalwraith asked you:

Vriska appears to have finally lost her vital spark. Which is... a bummer. Maybe Doc Scratch considers empowering Jack Noir to be 'good enough'? Or fuck it, the whole thing was a prank.

thefinalwraith asked you:

So is Vriska inverting things now as well, or is this just what being dead does to you?

I have a question, tfw: What comic have you been reading?!

Vriska seems nearly the same as ever. Perhaps disillusioned with serious, flustered relationship pursuits by being, well, two years dead, and busy getting things done while probably leading Tavros on to speed things up.

If she'd lost her vital spark completely:

VRISKA: Dammit, Tavros. You can't 8e slacking off like that. VRISKA: I told you, we aren't fucking around anymore. This is serious 8usiness.

She wouldn't be so busy, would she?

Vriska isn't out of the game. She has a plan, and is using Tavros to help search for something. Something important. I have no doubt that she's on a path to fulfill Doc Scratch's prophecy of Vriska-wrought unfathomable destruction.

Furthermore...

contraplebicism asked you:

hey I'm not sure but I think the John-rose-vriska-kanaya shipping n-drangle's wavelength just collapsed. john loses, he gets nothing. good day, sir. or so it would seem. vriska said it "didn't work out" with the beta john, in any case.

That's not quite the whole story when you think about it.

Here's the quote again, as a reminder, though I'm speaking beyond the quote and not to it:

VRISKA: It was fine. For a while. VRISKA: It didn't really work out. JOHN: oh. VRISKA: We crossed paths every now and then after that. VRISKA: Things stayed pretty friendly 8etween us. VRISKA: Until he died.

She broke up with an age-locked John who basically would not have been able to grow up. Furthermore, she wouldn't have been able to grow up much, either! Whereas - unlike beta John - our John has matured enough to realize Con Air was corny. That's a big difference!

(And, though it's splitting hairs, we aren't presently aware which party wanted most to break up in their prior relationship, nor why.)

Anyway, none of that is too convincing or relevant. However, there's a huge reason I can guarantee you that Vriska isn't out of the romance game.

I'll say it twice, the second time in large text, so you'll remember it.

Vriska's current relationship with Tavros is horrible, unhealthy, and will necessarily shatter.

Again!

Vriska's current relationship with Tavros is horrible, unhealthy, and will necessarily shatter.

It's inevitable!

The current state of things is clearly bringing out the worst in Tavros. (See the role inversion link at the top of this post, for instance.) Homestuck is not going to leave him in an eternity of this; that's a hell he really didn't earn!

So if the present situation is unsustainable, which ways can it go from here? Let's itemize some possibilities for where Vriska will eventually end up.

Tavros undergoes severe, sudden character development, does a 180º, puts paid to the relationship... and decides to pair up with Vriska again anyway. (UNLIKELY! Recovery on Tavros's part will almost certainly lead to a permanent break.)

Vriska and/or Tavros end up double-dead. (Why so much screentime, then? Just to cause unfathomable destruction and then kill them off??)

The relationship ending or being separated somehow, Vriska comes back into the picture somehow and pursues John and/or Jake. (BINGO!)

What Vriska and Tavros have right now is going to shatter brilliantly. Either offscreen, or possibly onscreen to some plot or character development effect. (Unfathomable destruction, for example?) And almost certainly thereafter, the romantic loose ends will seek healthier resolutions, with the plot of the story all too happy to oblige.

As to the "John-rose-vriska-kanaya shipping n-drangle"? That wavelength collapsed a little while ago, with a near - not absolute, but almost certain - confirmation of Rose/Kanaya recently. John's side of things have become more complicated to make up for this, with the introduction of Roxy Lalonde to take Rose's place in the competition with Vriska.

Hope that clears things up! No, I'm not quite sure where it's going to go after that, from here. :)

#Homestuck #thefinalwraith #contraplebicism #Tavros #Vriska #John Egbert #Jake English #Romspec #Act 6

Still answering the asks you guys sent in during the feels-a-thon! The PLAN is to read more homestuck tonight - but - we've some super nasty sounding rumblings overhead and wind. Texas weather is HARDLY predictable though, so I don't know what I can promise.

I get extra paranoid about storms where I live right now because we've had lightning strike our driveway, and the neighbor's house... twice. It's a little unnerving!

contraplebicism asked:

And it seems to me you lived your life/ Like a candle in the wind/ Never knowing who to cling to/ When the rain set in/ And I would have liked to have known you/ But I was just a kid/ Your candle burned out long before/ Your legend ever did. - John Cougar Mellencamp.

I -

I dont have a gif of people waving lighters in the air? How is that possible. Gif folder, you have failed me. I'll make some later.

Time to head to youtube and play candle in the wind while I answer some questions. BAWS A LITTLE.

thefinalwraith asked:

Vriska has no one to blame for her death but herself? I wouldn't necessarily say that. Who was it who went in to the encounter dressed in playclothes and accusing Vriska of multiple homicides (including someone who was both alive, and a murderer in his own right) thus effectively torpedoing what little credibility she had? Not to mention how her own assumptions affected the encounter.

Of course, that's not to say Terezi wasn't also a victim in this. Remember how you were talking about what a jackass Doc Scratch is, with the whole 'injecting an already volatile animal' thing? Does that situation seem analogous to something you just witnessed? Like say someone who made sure Terezi was good and angry, and thinking about the past (both in regards to Ancestors and FLARP) and then literally told her where to find Vriska?

You really don't send in the easy messages!

Terezi was most certainly not perfect in her actions leading up to the fight. And I don't think she was treating it like it was play, even though she went up there in her flarping outfit. If I think about it, I would assume Terezi put it on to make herself feel stronger about the choice she was making. Possibly to make herself feel more like what she was doing was right. Or maybe to distance herself from what she was about to do, by using the cover of her FLARP character (and ancestor, whether or not she knew that.)

Terezi could have done things differently. She was kind of gunning for Vriska, but she wasn't treating it entirely flippantly. Once again it is the trolls' interactions with the kids that shows their uncertainties in things.

but I still think Vriska had most of the responsibility between the two of them for how things turned out. I'm not angry at either one, and I'm so sad for both of them. Vriska manipulated the dice. Vriska was too proud - or too scared to let Terezi know that she regretted things. She told her about Gamzee, but she blew off Tavros' death and her own feelings about it. Vriska showed nothing at all to Terezi to indicate that she might not be the same. She goaded her a little, and spoke much the same as her normal brash self.

And yes, I do see similarities with Gamzee, but I still just don't know what to think about him, or what is going on with him. I don't understand his motivation for anything at all. I would think he would want to take the girls out himself, not have Terezi do his dirty work - unless he thought Vriska could take him - and I think she could have. Or unless he knew about the god tier just/heroic death, and wanted Terezi to be the Just Ending for Vriska. I can't see how he would have.

And even with him hyping her up, Terezi isn't blameless. She was gunning for Vriska before Gamzee hyped her up about it.

I guess jury is still out on how I feel about Gamzee. I'm waiting for his story, I guess.

Anonymous asked:

i am so so so sorry for you. i knew you was coming up to the vriska death part and was like 'oh noo it's her favorite character she's going to be so upset ad hussie makes it so sad oh god why cant i hold her! :'( ' i really want to just make you some hot chocolate with marshmallows and sit with you and we'll click through the pages together. oh noel! OH NOEL IM SO SORRY!

I STILL THINK THAT I HAVE THE BEST FOLLOWERS. Even the ones who were chomping at the bit with eagerness to see me get to that part. YOU GUYS ARE JUST SO SWEET THOUGH, I regret not a single part of this whole liveblogging experience. I wish we could all go out to lunch and just hang out because that would be so much fun. And also I could legit collect on all these hug vouchers I'm racking up. Thank you, anon!

aceodarkhearts asked:

I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE LAUGHING THIS HARD AT YOUR ACTUAL TEARS.

it's okay, no one will ever know about your grammar secret, aceodarkhearts. You only had 7 o in your no, so I am also going to mentally add an o to the other ask, too.

Also I don't blame anyone for laughing at me while I had a quiet and prolonged weep. With caps.

homestuckspeculation asked:

I think Vriska's big confessional to John is probably her most controversial chatlog. Fans of Vriska, some probably newly converted, can point to it and say "see, she wants to be a good person, she just doesn't know how". Those who can't accept that she's a murderer & a bully can point out "but she hasn't actually learned or done anything yet; she went and got her friends killed anyway". And then she gets stabbed in the back before she has a chance to either way... damnit, I've teared up again.

COME HERE HOMESTUCKSPECULATION LET ME HOLD YOU AND WE CAN BAWW A LITTLE TOGETHER. (also do you have a name you prefer or are you good with your url? Sorry I just dont want you guys to think that I don't notice who you are/care who messages me because I reply to peoplewith their urls I do notice I promise)

Vriskas confession WAS a little awkward, but I assume confessions often are. I'm still not the person anyone would go to when it comes to shipping. What made me sad in it, though...

AG: And I won't have to worry a8out 8eing the 8est anymore, or proving what a ruthless killer I can 8e. AG: May8e I can try out whatever is supposed to 8e normal for a human. AG: Don't worry, it could 8e a human d8, whatever that entails. AG: No weird alien stuff, I promise! And no killing or murders, or even talking a8out killing or murders and such. Just whatever you like to talk a8out and think is cool. AG: I could even 8e persu8ed to watch more of your a8surd human films. AG: Do you like any others which feature that rugged human with the long hair and wounded arm? AG: You know the one. The sweaty guy with the mutil8ed animal and the speech impediment. AG: Those would 8e tolera8le to watch, I 8et.

Part of what makes me SO sad during this is how badly she is trying to be "normal" - even a human normal, and constantly trying to reassure John and offer the things he's interested in. >just whatever you like to talk a8out and think is cool

and the fact that we know she loves nic cage and wants to watch the a8surd human film but

vriska

Vriska, normal is a horrible word and I hate it I think it is the worst word and I am so sad that anyone would ever think that they're not okay the way they are and that they have to be "normal" VRISKA SWEETIE I AM SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR LIFE and that you think John didn't really enjoy being your friend even with the weird alien stuff VRISKA YOU WERE A GOOD THING, AND YOU WERE LOVABLE, AND I AM SO SAD THAT YOU LOST ALL OF YOUR CONFIDENCE SO MUCH IN THE END

oops

i have a lot of vriska feels SORRY REPLYING TO THE CONTEXT OF THE ASK AGAIN yeah I can see that being a controversial part of her life for a lot of people. Every part of her life was, though, haha. I think she DOESN'T know how to be a good person. She thought that if she did something grand enough, she could make up for the things she did - that's pretty telling right there, confession or no.

The confession itself does read as a little awkward to me and I don't have feelings about it one way or the other, but I am the neutral shipper. It's me. I guess if I were going to ship them, it would be <>?? So I do think she wanted to be better, but I dont think this log in itself is the only, or best evidence to that. Her conversations with John generally did show a side of her that we didn't see anywhere else.

And the people who hate vriska... well. SHRUGS. I've always accepted that as a valid opinion that I will respect, even if I don't have it! I love Vriska a ton, and I don't think I've ever failed to own up to the fact that she's done terrible, terrible things.

Anonymous asked:

And one day, Hussie showed the world once and for all that our arbitrarily binary concepts of morality have no relevance to Vriska's life... or her death.

Vriska defies all things.

combobulatedprognosticator asked:

Vriska handing off her dice really, REALLY got to me. Not only because the symbolism of handing off her only heirloom from her ancestor, but because, well, gaming nerds are kinda super superstitious about their dice. There are some people, Vriska--competitive-types especially, for whom YOU DON'T TOUCH THEIR DICE, because your bad luck will rub off on them or whatever. So the passing of the dice, the passing of Responsibility to John...wow. And he took it seriously, because he improved his hammer

I didn't know that about gamers! I can easily see Vriska being like that. I thought I noticed dice in the hammer when I commented on the sigil, but ended up not commenting on it because it s...

it seemed silly wow I just had a thought about the function of those dice. Does that mean John rolls for luck every time he swings his hammer? John, Vriska is helping you while you fight, still.

Anonymous asked: 2012-07-03 17:31

you're only 200 panels from cascade.

And I am frightened.

inexchangeforyoursoul asked:

Btw just in case you get really close tonight... before a certain flash called [S] Cascade, pop some corn and shit. And rewatch it as many times and needed. Then look at the next flash. Proceed with a day off to devour information. Then [S] Treestuck: Enter once again. Okay? :33c

Seriously I am so nervous about the infamous Cascade. I dont even know what to expect from it. I just

have no idea.

Hopefully you guys enjoy whatever it is I feel about it, though!

Anonymous asked:

I'm surprised you didn't seem to have much of a reaction to the clock. A lot of people believe that Slick's breaking the clock on "just" actually caused Vriska's death to be permanent. It depends on whether you think her death was objectively just in the first place. Because all she did was stand there..

Maybe it would have stopped in the middle. Maybe it would have stopped on Just on it's own. I don't think I choose to believe that Slick stopping the clock had an effect on Vriska's death. I was thinking about the clock as a visual confirmation, not something controlling her.

but if Hussie pulls an All Dogs Go To Heaven and restarting that clock means that Vriska might come back, then I am all for it.

Anonymous asked:

Hello there treestuck, I am the anon who said "Oh boy, if you think you're getting feels *now*… *evil laughter*" And thus you responded: "You guys KEEP IMPLYING that my feels are going to get worse but how is that possible? how. Seriously. How." I will now respond: That is how. That Vriska log. You should trust us in the future. By the way, while I did do the evil laugh there I too was a sobbing wreck reading through that pesterlog, so don't feel alone.

Hahaha, LET ME HUG YOU TOO, ANON. HUGS FOR EVERYONE. Those logs were so sad! I didn't doubt that there would be more feels in my future, I just dont know how they could be worse. I still dont. HOW CAN IT EVER BE WORSE THAN IT IS WHEREVER I CURRENTLY AM?

I still think that everything bad that happens is just one big pile of awful, and one awful event isn't necessarily worse or less than another. They don't negate each other, they all just pile on together. Feels piles.

Anonymous asked:

We warned you. We told you about feels, bro. :( That hussie would step /all over them./

And now for a gif recreation of what Hussie did to my feels:

I don't have anyone stomping on things gifs, but I think the lightbulb/mousetrap one is still a pretty good visual.

Anonymous asked:

B-b-but we were all gonna get together and do the Schadenfreude Polka, don't goooo. ;_;

I'm a terrible dancer, anon! I can't even walk through my house without injuring myself, dancing is a very questionable act and it is much for the better that I stopped before we got to the Polka!

Anonymous asked:

The internet is basically standing in a circle around a girl reading Homestuck while she's in tears, with people taking a good look at her as part of their daily entertainment. She's the one crying, but we are the real tragedy.

It's okay anon. I don't blame anyone for laughing at me while I was crying at a fictional character death. It certainly doesn't make anyone a tragedy!

Anonymous asked:

While Vriska's death was sad, I can never take it seriously since the panel with DEAD over her corpse has Nic Cage's mug looking Vriska-ward in the background. Just wanted to mention this in case you were too caught up in the emotional roller coaster to notice.

Not even I was too far gone to notice it. I stopped for a second, facepalmed, and then kept reading. It just wouldn't be a Homestuck death without an awkward, undignified moment. (Equius' smile, Tavros' eyes, etc.)

Anonymous asked:

ahahahahahahahahaahahaha

I'm assuming what's going on here is a recreation of this video, only the joke is me and my feels. (It's okay.)

mmarycontrary asked: 2012-07-03 21:29

Ohh, you poor sweet baby Tree. I just want to wrap you up in all the hugs. I'd give you tea and cookies and a hug if I were there.

The feels train just needs to have a Hugs and Emotional Comfort Car. Maybe all of the cars need a Hugs and Emotional Comfort station. Ones with snacks and drinks and warm blankets for people to huddle in while I read homestuck and weep.

tollymain asked:

"Homestuck is like taking a dull dental too and scraping away at the enamel on my teeth in a vague and somewhat mindless attempt to make creepy mouth sculptures out of them."

...I like going to the dentist. My dentist is hilarious. And I would probably find creepy tooth sculptures interesting, like those sculptures made from the tips of pencils. Only weirder.

but that is a very unpleasant sounding process and yeah, Homestuck is pretty much a lot like that. Only excellent at the same time.

Anonymous asked:

Oh god I wasn't expecting you to legit start crying. Now I feel kind of bad for laughing at your reactions earlier in the day. Here lemme give you an anon-hug.

It's okay Anon, I don't blame you!

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