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"The following household sermons are preserved among the lesser instructional texts, their authorship uncertain and their purpose disputed. Though commonly attributed to a Saxhleel servant or to allegorical excess on the part of local record-keepers, the Temple advises that they be read strictly as guidance on patience, proper order, and the dangers of haste in all labors.
References to instruments, loaves, mistresses, or banquets are understood to be figurative, and no doctrinal significance should be attached to questions of length, readiness, or satisfaction. The recurrence of certain terms in older copies is acknowledged but requires no investigation.
Readers are cautioned against imaginative interpretations, particularly those that suggest recursion, self-reference, or the presence of greater figures in diminished form." - Unknown Scholar
Household Sermon One
The Maid named Lifts-Her-Tail entered the chambers that were chambers by local agreement. She bore cloths and oils, and the memory of orders received elsewhere.
And the Master of the House was called Crantius Colto, though the name clung imperfectly. He was an insistence given shape, and his warmth did not originate with him.
He regarded the Maid as one judges implements before use. “You are well-shaped for this work,” he said. “Strong, Anuran legs. A tail for balance. Few endure such tasks without complaint.”
The Maid inclined her head. “This form was chosen for labor,” she replied. “It bears weight without hurry.”
Crantius smiled, mistaking endurance for availability. “Then you will serve well.”
“Service,” said the Maid, “is a matter of order.”
Crantius turned then and presented the instrument, laying it where attention was meant to gather. It was long, and its length had been mistaken for purpose. It bore the marks of frequent handling and no sign of completion. “Attend to that,” he said. “It has waited.”
The Maid measured it carefully, not by surface but by demand. She did not touch it. “This labor,” she said, “is not brief.”
Crantius laughed softly. “There is plenty of time.”
The Maid inclined her head. “A labor unceasing,” she said, “is no labor at all.”
Crantius frowned. “You were made for such tasks.”
The Maid dipped her cloth into oil and wrung it slowly. “Not all tasks produce after,” she said.
“Some only leave shapes behind.”
She gestured toward the instrument’s length. “Some lengths,” she said,”do not produce completion. They only exhaust what approaches them. If I do not finish, the work has not begun.”
Crantius spoke again of patience, though he meant delay. “You may take all night, if need be.”
The Maid answered evenly: “Night is not a unit of completion.”
She began instead where the instrument had rested un-bitten and whole, cleaning the trace of it rather than the thing itself.
This displeased Crantius, whose understanding was central. “You are meant for the instrument,” he said.
“I am meant for the work,” said the Maid. “This form was chosen accordingly.”
Crantius raised the instrument slightly to remind it of itself.
The Maid did not look up. “That which is lifted without patience,” she said, “returns heavier.”
Crantius paused. The instrument did not answer him as it once had.
The Maid continued.
She did not deny the instrument.
She did not deny Muatra.
Nor did she praise it.
Nor did she succumb to it.
Nor did she vanish before it.
And in this persistence, procedural and unadorned, she perceived herself without subtraction.
Thus she knew CHIM, not as conquest, but as remaining.
And the Maid, having completed what could be completed, withdrew without being dismissed, her tail marking the balance of her going.
The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Household Sermon Two
The Maid named Lifts-Her-Tail entered the chambers again.
Crantius met her at the table, bearing a loaf excessive in its promise; wide, unfinished, and occupying more space than was polite. He set it down with expectation.
the Maid regarded it, measuring without touching. “My goodness,” she said. “That is quite a loaf.”
Crantius smiled. “It will be,” he said. “With sufficient handling
The Maid measured it without touching, sensing its coolness and the work it would ask. “It will not fit the Aperture as it is,” she said.
Crantius laughed softly. “Then it must be worked. Use your hands.”
The Maid washed her hands first, which took time. “Hands begin the work,” she said. “They do not compel it.”
She pressed the dough once, testing resistance. “This loaf is large,” she continued. “It asks for hours.”
Crantius answered as he always did: “There is plenty of time.”
The Maid inclined her head. “Time without change,” she said, “is only waiting.”
Crantius gestured toward the oven. “Then use the heat.”
The Maid leaned closer, feeling the breath of it, attentive to warmth as to weather. “It is not yet hot enough.”
Crantius frowned. “It will be.”
The Maid nodded. “Eventuality is not readiness.”
She covered the loaf and stepped back. “Work must pass through its openings in order,” she said. “If one is forced, the rest fail.”
Crantius shifted. “It could take hours.”
The Maid answered evenly: “A task that consumes all hours produces no completion.”
She glanced toward the door. “The mistress will not approve of haste,” she said. “This loaf was meant to satisfy the Bride of the Pomegranate Banquet.”
Crantius waved this away. “I will attend to the mistress later.”
The Maid’s tail stilled. “She is patient,” she said. “But not endlessly.”
The dough rested. The oven warmed according to its nature. The Maid cleaned the table while waiting, mindful of intervals older than clocks.
Crantius watched.
And waited.
His words thinned. “Will this satisfy?” he asked.
The Maid did not turn. “Satisfaction is not the measure,” she said.
“Edibility is.”
When the loaf was set aside to finish becoming itself, the Maid gathered her things.
“Will you stay?” Crantius asked.
“I will return if the work requires it.” she replied. “Most work does.”
She withdrew, leaving warmth and waiting behind her.
This was recorded as progress.
The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
I bet you, drakes to septims, that Orkey was actually named Horkey and that his emblem was not the serpent, but the Horker, and the serpent came later.
Plus, a triage of tusks? Interesting. There is someone who is associated with threes...
Now, how did I come to this conclusion, and better still, why?
Well for one, its etymology with Orcs.
See, the word "orcs" is derived from Orcus, the Roman God of the Underworld and of Oaths (Ah, an association with our favorite god, Malacath). But it goes farther, because Orcus was one of those gods adopted from Greek Mythology mashed into Roman Mythology.
His original name is Horkus, the God of the Oath, and the god that comes after you when you break one (not Styx, important distinction).
It obviously wouldn't take much to get from Horkus to Horker. Add that dash of "To hork is to devour greedily" and boom, a new animal.
Why draw the godly distinction? Well it has tusks, three of them, and there is a trinity god who ended up with tusks.
But that brings the question of what's up with Orkey being associated with Snakes?
Well, consider who else was associated with Snakes in Skyrim.
Boethiah.
And while they're clearly distinict gods, we know when their associations crossed becaaaaause--
"So one day Boethiah, Prince of Plots, precocious youth, tricked Trinimac to go into his mouth. Boethiah talked like Trinimac for awhile then, and gathered enough people to listen to him. Boethiah showed them the lies of the et'Ada, the Aedra, and told them Trinimac was the biggest liar of all, saying all this with Trinimac's voice!" - The Changed Ones
Honestly this actually has pretty big lore implications, because it shows that it wasn't just the Chimer that Boethiah spake to. The whole damn continent had the "Wandering Ehlnofey"--ie, Men / Humans.
Which means that the consumption of Trinimac didn't just affect the elven pantheon--it affected his human counterpart "Orkey/Arkay" too.
And maybe, was apart of the single tale of Orkey we know of.
"Orkey (Old Knocker):
God of mortality, Orkey combines aspects of Mauloch and Arkay. He is a "loan-god" for the Nords, who seem to have taken up his worship during Aldmeri rule of Atmora. Nords believe they once lived as long as Elves until Orkey appeared; through heathen trickery, he fooled them into a bargain that "bound them to the count of winters." At one time, legends say, Nords only had a lifespan of six years due to Orkey's foul magic. Then Shor showed up and, through unknown means, removed the curse, throwing most of it onto the nearby Orcs." - Variaties of Faith: Nord Edition
Aldmeri rule of Atmora, eh? Sounds like we know where the Falmer came from then. They were Aldmer, but something changed them. The Aldmer believed they're from Aldmeris, but Aldmeris doesn't exist. Atmora, however, does, as its the origin of Giants and Talos visited. I wonder if its possible that Aldmer were mistaking Atmora for Aldmeris.
This also brings an idea. Is it possible that Summerset as it stands now, was not the origin point of mer, but Atmora was? Just as it was the origin point of Men? Or that Sumemrset broke off from Atmora, when Atmora froze, and those left behind would become the Falmer, while those in Summerset would become the Altmer.
The Snow Elves still worship the Old Ways, even Trinimac though Trinimac's worship has long been abandoned by the Altmer. How could they worship Trinimac and Ancestors, unless they were all from the same place, but lack cultural experiences that would lead to schisms?
Looks like we're missing pieces here... ( Stuff lik this is why I don't trust ESO to carry Lore )
"Old Knocker
The third song of King Wulfharth tells of his death. Orkey, an enemy god, had always tried to ruin the Nords, even in Atmora where he stole their years away. Seeing the strength of King Wulfharth, Orkey summoned the ghost of Alduin Time-Eater again. Nearly every Nord was eaten down to six years old. Boy Wulfharth pleaded to Shor, the dead Chieftain of the Gods, to help his people. Shor's own ghost then fought the Time-Eater on the spirit plane, as he did at the beginning of time, and he won, and Orkey's folk, the Orcs, were ruined." - Five Songs of King Wulfharth
Shor's Ghost is interesting, given that Wulfharth is a Shezarrine, and is literally bits of Shor... But its possible, given the plot of Skyrim, that Shor's Ghost is another term for Dovahkiin / Dragonborn, and that Alduin has had a long history of being ass kicked.
Nearby Orcs suggest that Orsimer were here at the time, and this is after Trinimac's consumption--but remember, if they were in Atmora, then time isn't so linear. (Atmora can be taken as both a real place and a mythical place of metaphor).
But the important thing is the underlying theme here--the Folk of Orkey were Changed. There's no telling who, at the time, was being called orcs (as orc was once a general term, and not a descriptor of an elf race )
[ it wouldn't shock me if they were refering to mer in general. Considering that lots of mer can live for thousands of years, but most of them die of old age in a few hundred ]
The only other story that refers to a people that changed, was the stories of Velothi.
So when Trinimac changed--we can assume it changed the worshipers of his oversoul, not just his mer followers. And being "Eaten" is metaphorical. Vivec Ate Azura during the Trial after all, where she was not physically eaten but merely bound to mortality then banished (Which raises the possiblity of where Vivec went; after all, if they bound Azura to mortality then banished them, who's Prince Azura in later games then?). Alduin ate years down and merely deaged nords. Being Eaten means stripping someone of something vital, and binding them to mortality as a result. To be eaten is to be diminished through powerful argument, you cannot physically harm a god, but you can argue harm to themselves and take on or "eat" the power they shed.
And Arkay is left diminished.
So, we can assume that Orkey was effectively hijacked. Given the implications that Boethiah and Trinimac were, once upon a time, the same entity now two gods under one oversoul.
I'd say that it prolly had something to do with both mortals, and himself (kin killer that he is), realizing that he was full of shit about whatever was going on with Lorkhan's plan, and even those who still believed it was a trap, still saw the favored god going mad and discredited him.
"Answers are liberations, where the slaves of Malbioge that came to know Numantia cast down their jailer king, Maztiak, which the Xarxes Mysterium calls the Arkayn. Maztiak, whose carcass was dragged through the streets by his own bone-walkers and whose flesh was opened on rocks thereon and those angels who loved him no longer did drink from his honeyed ichors screaming "Let all know free will and do as they will!" - Commentaries of the Mysterium Xarxes Book Two
Oblivion fun fact: Ruma Camoran may have been originally scripted to betray her father and/or defected from the Mythic Dawn.
First, we have UESP’s notes on the unused dialogue from the “spies” quest:
From a lore standpoint, Ruma’s betrayal would make sense given that the Commentaries state that she, “ran from the Dagonite road” That is, Ruma at one point defied Mankar. Then, the sermons imply that some vague sanction was delivered to correct this behavior, which led to the birth/creation of an alternate version of herself and her brother, Raven Camoran:
If you try to rationalize this beyond the esoteric cult rambling, it honestly sounds a lot like SA. But considering the aggressive obsession with rebirth present in Mythic Dawn doctrine, there may be a metaphysical explanation (e.g., Ruma was “remade” with a tool of Dagon similar to how Mankar warped the properties of the Amulet of Kings). Michael Kirkbride also said this about her once:
Either way, whatever Mankar did to make Ruma obedient was likely non-consensual and punitive. Thus, would perfectly contextualize her eventual betrayal to his cult. I really wish the devs didn’t scrap this idea because the humanization of the antagonist’s daughter would have really deepened the plot and added a level of sophistication to the Mythic Dawn that is certainly present in the writing, but unexplored by most casual players.
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me words no work gud. was brainstorming how Akavir can be alternate kalpa, future tamriel, and a physical place all at once, had a thought: what if they weren't, at least not in the way typically understood by the community
What if time-space in Tamriel, or rather the metaphysical Nirn, worked by different ideas of what are translated to us as cardinal directions? What if, instead of travelling to the future or past by going in a certain physical direction, there were different metaphysical "directions" one could travel on to reach different temporal and physical locations? I drew up some charts, thought myself real clever, and everything was good. Then I huffed a little too much skooma and started wondering if the different time models (kalpas, amaranth, etc) and accompanying philosophical / religious differences of different Tamriellic cultures could also be related to their respective “locations” on these "philosophaxes." (Confirmation bias? Never heard of her) These charts are the result:
Lyg as inverse of the center? As “Not Here” / “Not Now” / “Not Our Place”? The only adjacent-place truly inaccessible and all the more eldritch / strange for it?
Morrowind as Loveborne-Potential-Transcendence as described in C0DA? Alinor as antithesis Hateborne-Denial-Imprisonment where Walk-Brass would call home?
Akha in Khajiit myths going "South" to never return, Alduin the "World-Eater"
Northwesterly High Rock as Loveborne Determinism, (likely unintentional) parallels with Christianity and thus west-european tropes by association? (as opposed to Gnostic Morrowind & Nihilist Alinor?)
Cyrodiil as True Center of Each Axis, thus its metaphysical dominance over all of Tamriel / Talos as the "King of the Gods"?