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This person claimed to be "anti-sysmed," but literally was spouting sysmed rhetoric about how trauma is a requirement for DID.

So uh, newsflash: a disorder cannot be "trauma-based" if trauma is not a hard requirement to be diagnosed with the disorder. DID/OSDD/P-DID, etc are dissociative disorders, not trauma disorders. The DSM-V makes that clear:

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Dissociative disorders are characterized by a disruption of and/or discontinuity in the normal integration of consciousness, memory, identity, emotion, perception, body representation, motor control, and behavior. Dissociative symptoms can potentially disrupt every area of psychological functioning. This chapter includes dissociative identity disorder, dissociative amnesia, depersonalization/derealization disorder, other specified dissociative disorder, and unspecified dissociative disorder.

Dissociative symptoms are experienced as a) unbidden intrusions into awareness and behavior, with accompanying losses of continuity in subjective experience (i.e., “positive” dissociative symptoms such as fragmentation of identity, depersonalization, and derealization) and/or b) inability to access information or to control mental functions that normally are readily amenable to access or control (i.e., “negative” dissociative symptoms such as amnesia).

The dissociative disorders are frequently found in the aftermath of trauma, and many of the symptoms, including embarrassment and confusion about the symptoms or a desire to hide them, are influenced by the proximity to trauma. In DSM-5, the dissociative disorders are placed next to, but are not part of, the trauma- and stressor-related disorders, reflecting the close relationship between these diagnostic classes. Both acute stress disorder and posttraumatic stress disorder contain dissociative symptoms, such as amnesia, flashbacks, numbing, and depersonalization/derealization.

END IMAGE TEXT.] This is on page 292, by the way. Yes, these disorders are often caused by trauma, nobody is debating that, but it is not the sole cause. The sources this user shared describes the disorders as "often caused by" or "trauma-related," etc, which are not the same as stating these disorders must have trauma to be present. Anyway, it was just kind of funny just so easily debunking every single point with their own sources until they got sick of it and blocked me.

Why do people think its ok to put anti-endo stuff (no matter how nicely worded) in the endo tags

I literally just saw someone who posted something that literally said something like "i hope you can all recover from this community"

Bitch the endogenic community helped me more than the sysmed/anti-endo community ever would have

And i’ve searched trhough things that interest me, but i couldn’t find anything that comes even CLOSE to being interesting. It’s all corny memes or outright bait.

And i don’t even wanna touch on Pluraltok or Queertok- oh, sorry, i meant Q-slurtok; filled to the brim with baby queers on their way to LGBT conservatism, worshipping a babyfied, watered down and commercial “aesthetic” with no meaning nor community, and the icing on the worst cake i’ve ever seen, THE GODDAMNED SYSMEDS. I wrote “endo” on the search bar and it was FILLED with people like “shit endos say!!!11!!!11″ or “endos are in denial u.u” and what i think are sysmed who’re trolling “the bad endos” (but it could be my paranoia /srs).

I found TWO, fucking TWO endo-accepting systems. TWO.

u dont get to speak for the ENTIRE trans community, many trans folk both in discourse and those observing the discourse have expressed their discomfort with the term for a multitude of reasons, ffs u dont get to decide if its ok when many folk are still uncomfortable about it

*confusion in traumagenic and trans*

you- you are aware i wrote that from personal experience, right? you are aware that not all plurality is disordered, right? you are aware that getting misinformed anon hate is nothing but confusingly funny, right?

is it a symptom of being chronically online to get pissed when people call my existence and my friends existence nothing but a fucking disorder and a trauma response? i am a person. my headmates are people. do you know how fucking disgusting it is for us to be thought of only as identity states? only as parts of a traumatized mind?

Oh, yes, we’re the “disgusting ones.” Yet. When exclusionists send hate to people like this. INCLUDING MINORS (we’re not a minor but systems who are minors have gotten hate exactly like this). There’s apparently nothing wrong with it. If an endo sent this to someone it would all be like “oh look, they are freaks.” But when an exclusionist does it, they often times either get cheered on, shrugged off, or written off as “well they’re just traumatised it’s okay.” Keep in mind that hate just like this was sent to a minor. To the point where the anon was claiming they were getting their friends into it! At this point, it isn’t about syscourse, it’s just absolutely disgusting. Also, what “disgusting comments” have we made about anyone? We’ve just been bluntly honest about everything and we’ve never misgendered someone or purposely crossed any boundaries without ours or a friend’s being crossed first (only in reference to dnis; we’d never attack someone in the way this one anon did). Besides, we have never met a civil or respectable system exclusionist. They all attack people, post people’s private info and conversations to reddit, or send hate to people’s ask boxes. Those that don’t either don’t exist or they don’t participate in the syscourse. Not that there aren’t disgusting system inclusionists out there, we’ve met our fair share. But we’ve met far more abusive and just straight up shitty system exclusionists that think they help by attacking and fakeclaiming people online just to prove they’re the “real ones.” We’re all real, everyone’s experiences are real. Just because you can’t experience them doesn’t make them fake. But this??? Exclusionist Anons sending disgusting messages to people, purposely misgendering them, wishing trauma on them, causing trauma to people, being a fucking creep isn’t okay. At the end of the day, I don’t give a damn if someone is a system exclusionist or not. We don’t post the things we do to sway them. We post them to help and inspire those who are inclusionists and who are trying to find their way into this community to a place that isn’t built around fakeclaiming and cringe culture. A place built on supporting each other and positivity without worrying that their system, even if it’s traumagenic, is going to get them fakeclaimed because they’re inclusive or because they don’t function exactly how other people think they should. Yeah, the inclusive community definitely takes their pot shots at the exclusive community, but the biggest community spaces are built on “you know your system best and you’re valid and we’re going to try to support you as much as we can.” Besides, when the exclusive community has it’s biggest and most well known space as r/systemcringe (previously r/DIDCringe) where they claim we steal their stuff but are infiltrating our spaces to steal screenshots and information for “cringe,” there is very little to be respectful towards. Not to mention them making claims that fictive, factive, etc are their words or that they’re medical words when they aren’t, directly lying to the community about said words. What are they really being truthful about? Nothing. It’s just a community filled with fear and hate. And if this fucking disgusting anon who thinks this is a good use of their time and that this is somehow okay doesn’t at the very least show that exclusionists can be disgusting, filthy people too then we have nothing more to say to you.

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(Tw disgusting language, misgendering, d-addy talk in image)