#post flashpoint

DC K.O. (2025) #2

“I saw you flexing in that loincloth. Showing off the scars.”

“Oh, I was flexing, Diana?”

Due to a fortuitous accident John Constantine was on Azerath when baby Rachael summoned Trigon the first time. Decimation ensues, but John escapes with the kid in tow at the last second.

Raven is raised by John and Zatanna, with Boston Brand and Jason Blood playing as cool uncles/ babysitters.

Rachael is trained in magic by Zee, and John teaches her how to swindle, cheat, and con her way out of situations where magic isn’t the best option. He also try his best to keep Trigon’s influences at bay.

Jason Todd spends five years with the League of Assassins regaining his memories after his dip in the Lazarus Pit. He lives and trains alongside Damian, and the two come to see each other as brothers.

Jason fully regains his memory after two years, but sticks around to teach Damian about his father, and secretly undo the League’s brainwashing. The trigger for the full return of his memory was his instinctual refusal to kill.

Cassandra Cain is hand picked by Ras al’Ghul to train young Damian. During their time together she befriends Jason.

Upon discovering that the League plans to use him and Damian to manipulate Bruce, Jason kidnaps the boy and begins the journey back to Gotham.

Cassandra is sent to retrieve them, but Jason convinces her to abandon the League and join him.

Jason and Damian maintain a tight relationship even after Jason joins the Outlaws.

Damian takes the mantle of Robin for a few years before deciding on a new title.

The "Heroverse" shown in "Dial H for Hero" is also known as "The Metaverse" which Doctor Manhattan altered to created the Post-Flashpoint timeline.

Hey babe!  That’s great!

I’m going to assume you mean pre-Flashpoint/post-Crisis because Tim and Cass never existed pre-Crisis.

For anyone who has maybe heard/seen those terms and may not be 100% sure what they mean (DC has seven hundred Crises, scandal, WHICH CRISIS?!):

The one referred to by ‘post-Crisis’ is the Crisis on Infinite Earths event from the mid-80′s. It was basically DC making a real attempt having a shared universe with a coherent continuity. Everything before that is mostly non-canon. Things like blonde-Jason with the essentially the same backstory as Dick are gone but every once and a while a writer will reference something from before the cut off and pull it into continuity. Notably, Tom King recently cited the original first appearance of Catwoman from pre-Crisis AND the Year One origin from the late 80′s (which was always in a weird semi-canon status) further muddying the continuity waters.

So post-Crisis describes the period after that from like 1986 all the way up to Flashpoint in 2011.The terms ‘post-Crisis’ and ‘pre-Flashpoint’ are interchangeable. They both refer to the same 25 year period. 

Flashpoint is probably more familiar to everyone because it’s more recent and it’s easier to work one’s way back to there (way few intermediary Crises to worry about). Barry Allen goes back in time to save his mom and fucks everything up. Bruce died, Thomas Wayne became sexy, old man Batman not worried about killing people, Martha becomes the Joker. It’s good times. I love Flashpoint. Don’t care one bit about the main story but the timeline is so much fun. Anyway, when Barry returns to the present that’s the start of New 52. 

Where I frankly think things are mostly ok. Until you get to the Batfamily timeline/ages. Everyone deaged. Four robins in five years but still carrying the emotional baggage of everything that happened before. Because post-Crisis still mostly happened for the Batfam but not really because no Steph, no Cass. Everyone’s deaged but sometimes Jason is old enough to drink and sometimes he isn’t. Babs, who is supposed to be older than Dick, starts college.

It’s a mess. 

Which is why I ALWAYS ignore post-Flashpoint Batfam age/timeline. And it seems like DC has kind of unofficially given in to that but we’ll see. 

Anywho. Back to your actual question. Here’s a post that is close enough to how I’ve worked it out that any differences are small and negligible by @batmanisagatewaydrug.  For example, OP has Jason dying at 15 which seems to be fandom consensus. But I am like 95% certain I read a line in a comic back in the day that said 16 so that’s what I usually go with unless it suits me better to drop it down. Generally, I like giving him that time extra time to bond with Bruce because the stronger that bond is when he dies the more heartbreaking it is. And I usually have Tim becoming Robin a few months after turning 14. Regardless, our end results are pretty much the same.

Current ages based on post-Crisis/pre-Flashpoint:

Damian: 13

Duke: 16

Cass & Harper: 19

Tim & Steph: 20

Jason: 23

Dick: 29

Babs: 32

Bruce: 42

OP has Bruce starting Batmaning at 23 and taking in 11 year old Dick at 24. This is pretty standard for my fics. But I also don’t have a problem saying child prodigy Bruce Wayne got his GED at 15/16 and took off, returning as Batman at like 20, taking in 8 year old Dick at 21. Present ages stay the same but I can never remember how old Dick was originally (and Young Justice says 9 so by the time he gets trained up a bit that works out).

Ultimately, babe, there’s a lot of flexibility because comics rarely give exact ages. It’s explicitly stated that Dick leaves Bruce at 17 (because Bruce hilariously makes a big deal about having a ‘child’ partner when Dick gets shot, and fires him only to almost immediately pick up an actual child with zero training). And it’s explicitly stated somewhere that Damian was 10 when he showed up and Teen Titans Rebirth starts with his 13th birthday. But other than that, there’s a lot of wiggle room.

Sorry, you asked a simple question (for which I had a link to the answer) and I went overboard. I never write something brief and concise when I can be needlessly in-depth and wordy ;)

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