okay I have like zero reach on this site and this is almost certainly not going anywhere, BUT.
Friends, Romans, countrymen...tell me about YOUR weirdly specific beef with a piece of media because of their flagrant disregard of your personal area of expertise/niche interest.
I'm not talking about "I'm a biologist and I don't understand why Project Hail Mary is so great" type of things. Not the kind of thing where the entire work is premised on [thing you know very well] and you can tell the writer doesn't. I want the really niche stuff.
For example: One of my best friends attempted to read Fifty Shades of Grey to understand why everyone hated it so much. He called me and ranted at me for like fifteen minutes solid about how he couldn't finish it because it was so wildly inaccurate...because of a throwaway line in one of the first couple chapters where Anastasia incorrectly used a couple of neuroscience terms. He never even got to the sex part.
Another example: My brother once complained to a friend that a book he was reading was "totally unrealistic" because a character who had been missing for ten years and declared dead returned to the real world and was informed he'd been awarded the Nobel Prize for Mathematics, and even if there was a Nobel Prize for Mathematics (there isn't), posthumous nominations are not permitted and you have to be presumed to be alive as of the October announcements to be eligible. His friend looked at him, looked at the book, looked back at him, and said, "[Brother], it's about fucking elves."
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Ok am I the only one who doesnāt get the waterboy thing? I personally found him a little annoying (I guess over the top pathetic?) so I skipped him for Phenomaman. Waterboy just kinda made me cringe whenever he was a main part of a scene.
Did I miss something? Like is there something Iām not seeing here?
Like I read a lot of fanfic and I keep seeing Waterboy Slash. A lot of porn which I expected bc AO3, thatās prime kink right there, even if itās not my thing but also a lot of really earnest relationship ones. And I just donāt get it? Is it mostly the kink? Did I miss a scene where he becomes really interesting?
(Like I read the tie-in comics too, it did not make me like him any more. I canāt get over the idea that heād be just a bad touch, like an overly sweaty palm and it makes my skin crawl. Is this a sensory issue thing?)
THIS IS NOT HATE
Kink or no kink, either way, you do you, Iām just curious why everyone seems to like him so much?
Letās talk about the oft-repeated accusation that AI is āstealingā or āplagiarisingā content. Itās a loaded claim, designed to provoke ā and like most loaded claims, it deserves careful unpacking.
š§ When a Human Learns from Artā¦
Letās say you read a novel. You love it. It influences how you think about pacing, dialogue, maybe even inspires a character or two in your own writing. Thatās how humans learn: by absorbing, remixing, iterating. If you quote the novel directly without attribution, thatās plagiarism. But if you write something inspired by it ā thatās transformative. Thatās how all creative culture works.
We do not accuse someone of āstealingā when they say they were influenced by Dickens or Morrison or Kurosawa.
š¤ But When AI Learns the Same Wayā¦
It doesnāt act like a pirate library or a photocopier, and it doesnāt normally regurgitate books word-for-word. What it does is learn patterns ā structure, syntax, rhythm, pacing. In some edge cases models can reproduce memorised snippets, but thatās a technical and governance problem, not their primary behaviour.
Yet somehow, when an AI synthesises a new sentence influenced by its training data, we call it theft. Why?
āļø Whereās the Actual Plagiarism?
Plagiarism is about presenting someone elseās language or ideas as your own without proper credit ā substantial uncredited copying of specific content. Itās an ethical and academic violation, not a technical process.
AI doesnāt intend anything. It has no authorship or ego; it just outputs patterns. Any ethical responsibility sits with the humans using it.
When a model reproduces verbatim text from training data, thatās a technical and governance problem ā a risk to privacy and copyright that needs to be mitigated ā not proof that every single output is theft.
š§ A Dash of Hypocrisy?
Youāll often hear:
āAI is just scraping artistsā work and remixing it!ā
But then we ask:
āHave you ever written fanfic? Used a prompt list? Played with visual references? Quoted a line in your fic title? Watched a tutorial? Written like your fave author for fun?ā
Because if the answer is yes⦠congrats. Youāre already engaging in transformative work, the same fundamental mechanism AI relies on. The only real difference? You're squishier.
š§¾ āBut AI Was Trained on Copyrighted Material Without Permission!ā
This is the big one, isnāt it?
Itās true that many AI models were trained on large datasets scraped from the public web ā which include copyrighted works that were publicly accessible. Thatās not the same thing as deliberately raiding pirate libraries, but itās also not ethically trivial, and some lawsuits argue that certain systems scraped paywalled material without consent.
Legally, this is still an active fight. In places like the U.S., regulators and courts havenāt given a single, final answer. Some legal scholars and early court decisions say that using copyrighted works as training data can count as fair use when itās about learning patterns rather than reproducing the originals, especially if the outputs donāt compete with or substitute the source material. Others disagree, or are still deciding.
But āit touched copyrighted materialā is not, by itself, proof of theft. If reading a copyrighted book teaches you how to write your own ā did you āstealā it?
If ālearning from contentā equals ātheft,ā then your memory is a crime scene.
Does that mean there are no concerns? Of course not. Transparency, consent, opt-outs ā all of those matter. But shouting āit was trained on IP without permission!!ā isnāt a moral mic drop. Itās a simplification that falls apart under scrutiny.
š¬ So, is AI really stealing?
Only if you are.
š Further Reading / Sources:
U.S. Copyright Office ā Copyright and Artificial Intelligence, Part 3: Generative AI Training (2025)
Overview of how U.S. law currently thinks about training on copyrighted works; concludes legality depends on context and fair-use analysis.
https://www.copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-Artificial-Intelligence-Part-3-Generative-AI-Training-Report-Pre-Publication-Version.pdf
Carlini et al. ā Extracting Training Data from Large Language Models (USENIX Security, 2021)
Shows that verbatim memorisation can happen in edge cases ā a real risk, but not the default behaviour of these models.
https://www.usenix.org/system/files/sec21-carlini-extracting.pdf
Micaela Mantegna ā ARTificial: Why Copyright Is Not the Right Policy Tool to Deal with Generative AI (Yale Law Journal Forum, 2024)
Argues that stretching copyright to āsolveā AI problems is a bad fit and risks harming creativity and the public.
https://www.yalelawjournal.org/forum/artificial-why-copyright-is-not-the-right-policy-tool-to-deal-with-generative-ai
Electronic Frontier Foundation ā AI and Copyright: Expanding Copyright Hurts EveryoneāHereās What to Do Instead (2025)
Explains how using AI panic to expand copyright would undercut fair use, research, and small creators.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/ai-and-copyright-expanding-copyright-hurts-everyone-heres-what-do-instead
Cory Doctorow ā Copyright Wonāt Solve Creatorsā Generative AI Problem (Pluralistic, 2023)
A creator-centred critique of copyright maximalism as a fake solution to AI and labour issues.
https://pluralistic.net/2023/02/09/ai-monkeys-paw/
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What's your favourite song from a fiction podcast? (can be something sung by character(s) or background/atmospheric music)
I'll start: «In the dark with him» (from «in strange woods». PLEASE do not listen to it if you haven't listened to the podcast, SPOILERS!!)
@mothmans-queer-cousin and open tags to anyone else who wants to answer ^^