#hopgate

& keys in Melvald’s, okay

In the epilogue we have three characters wearing purely purple, let me introduce them to you:

but only Erica wears it as her second option, the first one looks like Will’s Truman’s shirt:

for Mike and Joyce it’s their first ones preceding Joyce’s jacket and Mike’s graduation gown (however, I’m not sure whether her jacket can be considered “the 2nd outfit” bc of her purplish sleeves?)

and then we know that Mike’s 3rd look is his basement blue shirt; but I’m still not sure whether Joyce has a different one, the lighting in Enzo is quite dark, so it seemed that her cardigan is maroon, but probably it is still the same one.

Nevertheless, Mike and Joyce still have two things in common: 1) they’re the only characters whose first epilogue appearance is accompanied by purple shirts and 2) they both have a near-woke-up scenes:

The tropes hint that after such facial expressions a revelation should follow. The same tropes claim that if it hasn’t proceeded yet, the feeling of eeriness will become even denser until it finally happens after all (if your characters are not the 80s slasher’s inhabitants, of course…)

If it’s true and purple doesn’t mean that these characters are dead (which could also be in an option for Joyce having just one? piece of clothes, and another one being associated with funerals; however, if Joyce wears black, than she is a grieving person at someone’s funeral, not the deceased one) then Hopper most likely is, especially with phrasing things this way.

(The theory also aligns with El being alive bc Mike question reality in which she’s dead, while Joyce question weird wording of here-alive Jim. Then the opposite truth must be correct one)

Let’s make it clear once again that I’m here to ask questions, not to give answers :D or let’s see how lucky I am to clock this show’s plot (or its plot holes).

Here we have elmike’s dialogue comparing Dustin to Hopper, after which we have two foreshadowings that never play out:

1) A clock and a handset, both dropped and broken. I’ve seen quite a bunch of posts indicating the importance of both objects here in the show. What can it say about Hopper? Maybe it can foreshadow some problematic situation for him where he’ll end up out of “time and connection” — metaphorically (bc he still is in touch with other members of the party in this scene). But the fact that those two objects are in one shot put in one position kinda speaks for itself. Both symbolic objects! Broken, dropped and that’s the first thing we see before Hopper gets ready to enter the UD.

🕰️ Also — is it not even numbers on that clock??

2) And what about Joyce’s question?

Does she say it to foreshadow anything serious or just to play a caring girlfriend? Why is this scene needed? All together it looks like Hop shouldn’t make it, something should go very wrong. Not just that he gets shot, but being okay after all.

And at that moment they were still expecting it to be their usual crawl. Hoping it’s not but not expecting demos.

And here’s where it becomes interesting.

Firstly, idk mb it’s just an inconsistency (that’s already being discussed as one) but why didn’t Will feel anything out of Hawkins if there are Demos in Russia too? The wormhole that we saw shows just Hawkins as well which makes it weird. (The reason I’m asking it here is: why does Will feel it exactly before it attacks Hopper’s car? It’s obvs that this demo was close to that place some steps before. When does his neck start signaling?)

But okay, let’s go to my secondly:

Why does Will feel Vecna/demos this day? Bc Nov 6th is soon? But it’s not that day yet. It’s just one more crawl. And yet demos attack military in the UD for the first time in 18 months? Why is it shown as an unusual situation? And wasn’t Vecna around this whole time befriending kids?

So anyway, the first demo appears, light flickers, Will connects to it annnd… falls on the floor when demo jumps off the car but the car with Hopper crashes into the wall. Coincidence?

And it’s not that Will passes out here: his mind still in this demo running to Wheelers’ house. But why did he fall exactly when Hopper crashed in that car? (Ofc it still can be just edited this way, one thud after another but I honestly don’t know.) But once again: from the demo’s POV nothing’s changed, it was calmly sitting on the car roof, then jumped (and the car crashed after) and ran to the house. That is, nothing happened that could make Will fall at that moment him being a demo. Not a single attack affected him this way as when the demo was chilling and Will fell with no connection to the demo’s actions.

And then how he comes back is — Joyce slapping him on the face. For real? Like… Idk I swear, is it what really disconnects you from interdimensional creatures when they’re so tightly connected to you? Why did demo attack those exact cars and only after that ran to the house? I mean, probably here it’s just a plot holes zone that allowed Will to see where this creature heads next bc we needed to know and it was the way to show us that. But I have my “why did demo connect to Will that exact moment” and “why did Joyce manage to disconnect him that easily” questions anyway.

But let’s consider for a moment that something happens to Will here, something that can affect the party or even reality (or they way they see it) — I suggest you to remember this one scene:

which leaves me with these following questions:

Why is Holly paralleled to Will here? As she’s been (going to be) paralleled to Mike during the whole season. Is it for something that I can’t consider here yet or is it for this foreshadowing:

Does it mean that it is Will who can teleport people anywhere? Did he teleport Hop in the no-time no-connection zone? Or did he eventually teleport Mike to Camazotz?

Speaking of Hop, even if him being under attack has not enough reasoning (and was needed mostly to show the Wheeler’s house) he still had that not cool foreshadowing before which could lead somewhere where we can’t probably predict, and he still was paralleled to Dustin. Which could also foreshadow something “very wrong” for Dustin too.

And I don’t see him being beaten up by bullies as this thing bc they bully him all the time, and it doesn’t exactly parallel Hop. I don’t know if my assumed parallel was about to happen anyway — it just felt like if they were compared, and Hopper got in something worse than what we saw, then it can happen to Dustin too. Especially bc he was accepted by his schoolmates at his graduation and his bullies conveniently disappeared which… sounds like absolute bs.

2x01

5x08

okay, now having rewatched 4x09 and seeing three pairs at the field in the end… I kinda doubt that Hopper is a goner, as I’ve been thinking lately (and the way Jane met him in the cabin emphasised that he should be alright…)

and jancy should be alright

so far we’ve got:

s4 finale: jancy, jopper, blooming byler vs Jane’s questionable condition (grey field)

s5 finale: jancy broke up, byler didn’t happen, jopper is okay (and nothing’s changed for their relationship since s4), El’s grey field happened though…

so it’s like… only jopper and Jane’s death matched the field foreshadowing?

or if we look at it wider:

S5: Jancy broke up, byler didn’t bloom, jopper ended up in Camazotz, Jane died

Then conformitygate flips it back:

Jancy will be alright, byler will happen, jopper will come back from Camazotz (Mike’s parents will probably die, but that’s another theory), Ell will live

you don’t say!!! 🗝️🗝️🗝️