Again, this is why the two are COMPARED. Just because someone exhibits the beliefs of one group doesnât mean they automatically belong to the other. Nor is anyone saying that anyone is both by default, because thatâs not how this works.
Which, I know that for nearly all sysmeds and nearly all transmeds, this will go out one ear and out the other, but this is an educational post for anyone who isnât aware of why sysmeds are compared to transmeds. Itâs also an educational post for those who have asked why they are compared and didnât get that adequate of an answer or just got the answer of: âitâs a slur that endos throw around!!!111!!!â
Just like all gatekeepers within any community, there are levels to how much a person within these groups will gatekeep. Often, itâs determined by how âhardcoreâ their beliefs are, how aggressive the person is willing to be for their beliefs, and how much they agree with all the different things within these groups.
On the topic of system inclusionists being âableist.â This is what the Urban Disctionary defines as Ableist:
A PERSON or People who discriminate or social prejudice against people with disabilities. It can also be someone who judges or makes fun of someone with a disability or handicap.
And this is the definition of Discrimination / Discriminate according to the Cambridge English Dictionary:
To treat a person or particular group of people differently, especially in a worse way from the way in which you treat other people, because of their skin colour, sex, sexuality, etc.
(Basically someone viewing or treating someone else with a handicap or disability differently or poorly specifically because of their handicap and/or disability).
Yes, system exclusionists and system inclusionists have a rocky history because of their vastly differing beliefs on systems and the basis which systems can form. However, when sysmeds or system exclusionists bring up system inclusionists and call them âableist,â itâs always about the fact that they are pro-endo, are endogenic themselves, etc. In this case, they are claiming that just because someone is an endogenic system or inclusive of them that they are discriminating against DID and OSDD systems. Often times, they (sysmeds) are the ones attacking others first without any provoction. How is someone making a validity or positivity post for endogenic systems âableist?â By that logic, anyone who makes a validity or positive post about anyone else would be classified as ableist to them. It would be one thing if they were only saying that to people who think endogenic systems were the only real systems and who claim DID and OSDD systems were fake. Then yes, that would definitely qualify as ableism. However, I donât know nor have I ever seen any endogenic systems or otherwise claim anything of the sort. Likely, if a group like that started to pop up and gain traction, it would certainly be filled with and started by trolls. Not to mention, no system inclusionist that Iâve met or seen has ever argued with or attacked another system on the basis of being a DID or OSDD system. A system inclusionist arguing with a system exclusionist on the basis of their beliefs has nothing to do with the fact that the system exclusionist may or may not be a DID or OSDD system. It is all based around their beliefs that are harmful to the community as a whole.
In addition, traumagenic system =/= sysmed. DID/OSDD system =/= sysmed. There are endogenic and other types of systems that do hold some sysmed ideology. Itâs not exclusive to just traumagenic and DID/OSDD systems, though they are the primary sysmeds that you see around. On the flip side, there are plenty of traumagenic systems and DID/OSDD systems that are very inclusionary!
tldr; Sysmed is just another term for a system exclusionist / gatekeeper that is just shorter and quicker to say than system exclusionist / gatekeeper. Being called a sysmed doesnât mean that they are transmed or that theyâre being called a transmed. You can be one without being the other. They are not mutually exclusive. While transmeds are transphobic to a degree, they also identify as trans themselves. Calling someone a sysmed isnât a slur and isnât the same as calling them transphobic.
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Systemtime - Why You Shouldnât Add It To Your Inclusive System Servers.
This is NOT a Call-out post! I repeat, this is NOT a call-out post. This is an informational post for singlets and slightly uneducated / misinformed systems for when they are deciding which system bots to add to a system inclusive discord server. DO NOT use this post to hunt down, harass, attack, or otherwise bully the Systemtime Devs or their friends!!
Okay, to start off, Systemtime is just a poorly run bot. Itâs consistently down and no longer offers anything that Pluralkit doesnât. You donât get any cool things from using this bot over Pluralkit that are system related. Anything like their reminders or dice can be found with other bots if you really need those things.
They specifically say on their carrd that non-Traumagenic systems shouldnât use their bot; so if you plan to only add one system bot and your server is endogenic friendly, at least some members wonât be technically allowed to use the bot youâve added for systems.
Their carrd (which can be found here) doesnât even outline their TOS or what they use your data for. Along these lines, plenty of endo-friendly people have reported being banned from using their bot. Some who have been in servers with the bot and never even touched it until they found out they were banned. Overall, it makes many endogenic and pro-endo systems feel unsafe.
Reportedly, their support server requires you to answer a question about your stance on discourse and donât allow for you to say youâre âneutralâ on the matter. So, if something goes wrong with systemtime and youâre pro-endo or neutral on syscourse, you wonât be allowed the support needed to fix the bot or gain information on what the problem is.
They also used to have (or still do, just secretly) commands like the ones in the image. Basically spreading invalidity towards endogenic systems, tulpas, and even singlets! Likely they either removed these commands or made them secret so people would stop using it against them, but it was still kind of a shitty thing to have in the first place. Itâs also another reason why many pro-endos and endogenic systems feel unsafe using the bot. The devs donât even want these people using their bot anyways! As outlined on their carrd for the bot. (That âtodayâ on the image isnât actually from today. It just was when the person took the screenshot.)
All in all, itâs a bot thatâs poorly run and makes many systems feel unsafe. If youâre unsure or know a server owner whoâs server is meant to be safe for all systems, I suggest Pluralkit over Systemtime any day. In fact, I refuse to touch it with a billion mile pole. Even though I would find it an achievement to get banned from it lol. Anyways! For the safety of your server, Tupperbox or Pluralkit is definitely the way to go! ^^
Obviously, if your server is anti-endo then I donât give a damn if you add systemtime. In fact, please do. Weâll keep Pluralkit to ourselves.
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Since our discord server is discriminatory free and meant to be safe for our members, we donât allow the following people to join: (NO)MAPS/Pedos, Transmeds/Truscum, Sysmedicalists/System Exclusionists, LGBTQIA+phobes, Anti-Mogai people, Aspec exclusionists, TERFs, SWERFs, or any other kind of discriminatory or exclusionary people!
Yâknow what we hate as much as purity culture? Politcs culture!
Like,, communities having fucking leaders and shit? We donât vibe with that. Especially when theyâre allowed to get away with really shitty things because theyâre âpopularâ and own all the good shit. Like fuck that! They should be called out on their bullshit! If a country just let that shit slide, yâknow what they get? Dictators.
We donât want to say some people need to grow a spine, but sometimes itâs a necessary part of life so you donât end up ostracised from a community you love or identify very strongly with because the leaders donât like you. The leaders that shouldnât be leaders! A community should be for everyone and not owned by some higher fucking power!
That just leads to people who donât agree with the leaders to the need to make their own smaller community in the bigger one that they shouldnât have to!
It literally feels like a dictatorship! There was no vote, they just are the leaders and you have ti deal with it.
Like you often canât even do things in your own servers or groups sometimes because one of those shitty leaders is there and they could ruin you for doing something that betters everyone except them and their friends and itâs stupid! Itâs uncalled for! It shouldnât be happening! Why is it happening? Why are we allowing it to happen? Because we donât want to be ostracised but something has to be done. This canât keep going on. Itâs ridiculous. A community is for all who identify with it; there should be a fucking hierarchy! Anywhere, on any platform, at anytime!
Fuck Politcs Culture. Fuck Communities Having Leaders. Fuck Them Getting Away With Bad Stuff Because Theyâre Popular. Mic drop.
As a medical professional, who primarily works with DID patients, I can safely safe that you do not have DID.
And I can safely say that this isnât how this works. Tbh, if you even are a âprofessionalâ you arenât being very professional with people you havenât even met before. Especially considering the fact youâre on anon and canât even show me any proof. Like wtf. Besides, check your damage. Last I checked, OSDD is also a thing and weâve never claimed to have either. So really youâre just telling us something we already suspected. Like you donât even know what we look like or anything. You probably donât even live and work near us. Find something better to do with your life, please. -Tom
Like, I didnât know âprofessionalsâ were going to make a pseudo house visit, anonymously, to our account and spout shit without even knowing us at all. We hardly ever post anything personal on this account that has to do with daily life or anything and, yet, you feel inclined to think you know us? Inclined to tell us a non-diagnosis we probably would never see a real professional about anyways? Either you had some really bad teachers before becoming a so called professional or you arenât one at all cause this is not how this works. -Nixe
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Since that blog is *not* for any kind of discourse, Iâm putting this here on this blog. The ask has been deleted. This will be the first and last time any of us address the fact that sysmed Is Not another term for a traumagenic, DID, or OSDD system from an ask sent into that sideblog. Itâs one thing to believe in modern psychology or medicine, itâs another to attack people who have different beliefs which both Transmeds and Sysmeds (system exclusionists) both do. We have outlined on that blog what tags to filter if you donât want to see the terms âSysmed,â âKinnie,â or âQueer.â We wonât be changing how we refer to System Exclusionists and have outlined why on this blog quite a few times.
Tldr; Donât want to be called out as a sysmed? Donât want to be compared to transmeds? Donât exclude systems that donât fit the DID or OSDD âmold,â Donât exclude non-traumagenic systems and we wonât call you that. We wonât compare you to transmeds. Holding a different belief to someone isnât the issue, the issue is sysmeds (and obviously transmeds in the lgbt community) attacking, harassing, insulting, making cringe compilations, and fakeclaiming anyone who doesnât fit into their âmoldâ or beliefs of what it means to be a system (or transgender). Thatâs all I have to say on that.
did/osdd-1 and endogenic plurals are inherently different though? did/osdd-1 is a disorder caused by trauma where the brain is split into dissociated parts; from what i've seen, endo beliefs tend to lean towards spiritual/the belief of more than one person in a body. the communities also need different things- did/osdd-1, as a traumagenic disorder, needs resources for coping with being disordered primarily. a medical issue shouldn't be correlated with personal beliefs (1/2)
They are inherently different, but my points were solely on the fact sysmeds gatekeep or âpoliceâ who can be in the plural community. Saying that spiritual systems or spiritual plurality doesnât exist. When the beliefs of many souls living inside of one body is in no way a new thing and many cultures to this day still wholeheartedly believe in it and itâs still very much apart of their culture. Along with other types of spiritual plurality.
Case in point a system exclusionist from our PMs:
(Which I should have phrased it as âspiritual systems have been around a long timeâ and not âmuch longer.â I would have corrected myself in PMs if the conversation wasnât as heated as it was. Heated as in they were quick to respond and I only had small windows to respond to what they said. No, I will not be sharing who this was because I will not be starting a witch-hunt.)
[Second half of anon]
While I get that gender dysphoria isnât seen as a disorder (and I agree that, while it can cause things like depression and can greatly harm mental health, it is not a disorder), many transmeds will claim it is in some way or insinuate it. It also doesnât change how similarly these two groups of gatekeepers / exclusionists act.
@neiviele has a lot of helpful posts on their blog about how being endogenic doesnât mean you canât have DID/OSDD, how it doesnât mean you canât have experienced trauma, and how some terms (like the term âsystemâ) isnât DID or OSDD specific.
Hi! Just wanted to let you know that in your latest MultiplicityMay post, you wrote "Day 4" instead of "Day 5". Also, thank you for putting it together and putting it out there! It's really nice. - Jamie
Oh damn, Iâll go fix that! Thanks for letting me know!
