#cisfeminized

I'm intersex and don't really understand the terms, it appears I am not 'tme' by my experiences, but I'm far from being a trans woman.

I can't figure out what you've said or done to be 'avoided', either..

Overall I'm very confused. I only just entered queer discourse, but I've heard horror stories.

If you're ok with it, it would help to know your perspective on why they might have said this - i.e. is this something people have said to you?

I'm looking through tags revolving around these debates and it seems pretty... violent and accusatory 🙂

People accuse us of being anti transfem because we think TME/TMA has been bastardized to the point of being useless, and because we believe marginalized men exist.

You can read our posts on the matter here:

1 [link] (About TMA/TME.)

2 [link] (Also about TMA/TME.)

3 [link] (About marginalized men, in case its not clear what we mean by that.)

4 [link] (Bonus discussion about transandrophobia, since transandrophobes are often the ones who get violent about discussions of TMA/TME, and claim transmascs are "less oppressed" than transfems are.)

We are not anti-transfem, we just acknowledge that TMA/TME has been so severely co-opted by transandrophobes, exorsexists, and intersexists that they have bastardized the terms beyond belief, and apply it to people without their consent.

Basically, TMA/TME are being used to tell people they are "not affected by transmisogyny unless they are transfem", even when thats so blatantly not the case for many people.

They are also being put into bios as if they are some sort of identity, like you have to declare how you've been oppressed before? Which like. So should we put in our bios if we've been affected by ableism, racism, fatphobia, etc? Should we declare every negative experience we've ever had? No, it's silly. TMA/TME should not have been made into identities.

We think terms like transfeminized, transmasculinized, cisfeminized, cismasculinized, degendered, etc are better.

Transfeminized & transmasculinized [link]. Cisfeminized and cismasculinized are basically the same thing, but enforced on non-binary people or intersex trans people who have been wrongfully enforced as cisgender.

the really radfem sides of the tme/tma discourse are incredibly anti-masculine. Especially when I see posts from someone who is claiming that all men are predatory and therefore trans men are predatory and should die. Or the claim that trans men don't have any valid experiences with misogyny that I see radfems say.

and honestly? The other extreme side falls to the same takes in a different way. I've seen the really extreme anti-radfem side making the claim that trans women are predatory because they have a penis (not all trans women have a penis, but the posts I see usually make wide generalizations that they do).

This is anti-masculinity that overlaps with androqueerphobia, homoandrophobia/andro-monosexism/andro-amatonormativity*, transgynephobia, exorsexism, and varsexism.

(*Because often, these people will act as if queer men have no unique form of oppression, and that the only oppression they could face has to be in relation to transmisogyny.)

My thoughts on the TME/TMA discourse can basically be summarized here [link]. I think its just ridiculous that it basically became an "identity."