#androableism

i am not a man, i'm just a transmasc with ocd and multiple trauma-based compulsions

This is androsaneism and exorsexism.

When some people are trying to debunk the whole "psychotics are inherently dangerous" thing, they sometimes point out that the majority of murders (or at least the majority they've heard about) by those who have psychosis are by men. I've seen "you hear about mentally ill men killing their mothers, but you rarely hear about mentally ill women killing their fathers". So the problem isn't psychotic people being violent, it's men being violent. Supposedly. I don't know.

Which... what does that actually accomplish? "We shouldn't stigmatize all psychotics, just psychotic men"? All you're going to do is get more basically innocent but visibly Mad men or masculine-presenting people abused by people calling the cops on them in public. Oh wait, you support that. Anyway... it might be true that more murders by psychotic people are by men specifically? I haven't seen the data? And maybe it might have to do with the patriarchy making it easier for men to get away with violence towards women? Maybe? But what if it's the fact that psychotic masculine individuals know they'll be treated more harshly just for being masc and therefore "potentially dangerous"? What if that's why they don't get treatment- because they're scared and rightfully so? Anyway, it's definitely not "because men are inherently violent beings".

I don't see how this argument helps anyone. Not even psychotic women (who you're trying to protect by saying this).

This is androsaneism.

Most schizospecs aren't dangerous, and are most likely to harm themselves and/or be taken advantage of. Treating people as dangerous on basis of being schizospec is a harmful stereotype and is untrue in a majority of cases.

Additionally, women's crimes are underreported due to toxic masculinity telling men not to report their assaults and toxic femininity teaching cops not to suspect women and/or to undermine harm done by women.

Schizospec men are not "more violent" on basis of being a man OR on basis of being psychotic.

This is androableism.

The idea of castrating serial killer men comes directly from the castration of men with "dangerous" mental disorders like cluster b personality disorders, schozospec disorders, paraphilic disorders, etc that has happened in history. Basically violating the autonomy of the mentally ill because they were deemed to be dangerous.

While general castration of the mentally ill has died down, it is something the psych system sometimes argues should be "okay to do" if a criminal is proven to be mentally ill. Despite it having no benefits.

The castrations were done in an attempt to "prevent crime" by decreasing libido. But the thing is, decreasing libido doesn't stop violent people from deciding to do violent things.

The idea that testosterone makes people dangerous is extremely harmful bioessentialist rhetoric. Its why racists try to argue the pseudoscience that black people have more testosterone (because they want to justify the racist stereotype that black people commit more crime), why intersex people with hyperandrogenism get demonized so frequently, and why disabled people with androgenized profiles are treated as creepy and violent.

see this is why i dont tell anyone my identity as an autistic person who feels somewhere between guy and nonbinary. i guess people are definitely against ableism until it happens to a man

Please let me know if I need to resend this with pictures edited and usernames blacked out.

[PT: Every time someone talks about weaponized incompetence, they always end up saying something wildly ableist.]

[PT: Disabled women are still expected to keep the house running. Maybe if he can’t meet her standards he should do the right thing and leave, instead of causing stress everyday. Divorced mothers often say they’re less stressed because the dependent they were sleeping with was finally out of the house.]

[PT: I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with me. Like, yes? You almost got the point of my comment? If you’re not careful how you discuss things like weaponized incompetence, you just add to the idea that disabled people must perform above and beyond]

I initially thought they were maybe agreeing with me and pointing out how women are also affected by expectations of exceptionalism. I was confused if I’d misread the comment or not.

[PT: I’m saying there is still a double standard when it comes to men and women, and that women who don’t want a man who makes their lives harder, especially since women, too, can be disabled. It’s not about what a partner does, it’s about a pattern of neglect that is excused in men because the standards of hygiene and home care are lowered by the expectation that men are not good at chores. Which may be convenient for a disabled man, but a disabled woman does not have the luxury of doing something badly and being able to turn around and say, “well, I tried, now you do it. You’re so much better at it than me.”]

I’m genuinely confused and tying my head in knots trying to figure out how to articulate what this is - if it’s ableism, anti-masculinity, misogyny - and why it is.

I know I had a lot of screenshots, but I added plaintext. If I need to redo that too, please let me know

This is androableism. "Maybe if he can’t meet her standards he should do the right thing and leave, instead of causing stress everyday." Fucking hell, what an ableist thing to say. Disabled men don't need to leave a relationship just because they can't match their partner.

"Which may be convenient for a disabled man" a man getting judged, often yelled at or treated with passive aggressiveness, and belittled for being a "failure of a man" isn't experiencing convenience.

Yes, disabled women who are housekeepers are unfairly expected to upkeep households to the same standard as abled women. Yes, disabled women who are the moneymakers are unfairly expected to perform at work to the same standard as their abled coworkers.

But also, yes, disabled men are also expected the same thing if they are housekeepers or moneymakers. That commenters androableist statement alone literally proves as much. Because ableism and toxic masculinity can intersect.

Many of these men accused of weaponized incompetence are disabled and just undiagnosed. "No, no, my ex/husband/boyfriend/brother/son/friend/roommate/etc is clearly abled!" I never said visibly disabled. Many of them are suffering from chronic pain/exhaustion or executive dysfunction.

Hell, I've even seen diagnosed men get accused of weaponized incompetence. No, I assure you (general you), your husband having a depressive episode isn't trying to spite you. Your boyfriend with ADHD isn't trying to forget to do chores. Your son with fibromyalgia isn't trying to be lazy and whine about getting up, they're just in a lot of pain at the moment.

Weaponized incompetence is a real thing, in which you psychologically abuse someone by going out of your way to do something poorly, or claiming you don't know how to do something that you have shown time and time again to know. And it definitely isn't gender specific. But people need to be careful about when they accuse someone of weaponized incompetence, because some disabilities make someone genuinely struggle to do things well, or can even cause temporary memory loss or skill regression in some cases.

This is androracism and androableism.

Its literally a fact that black men get arrested at a the highest rate compared to other races due to being stereotyped as dangerous for their skintone + masculinity, and that disabled men (especially neurodevelopmentally disabled and/or schizospec men) will get arrested or harassed for being under suspicion of being on drugs or for "suspicious behavior."

Like yeah okay, I dont blame the girl for wanting to leave but like??? Why is it okay for her to record him??? Why is it considered dangerous, serial killer behavior for a man to have a panic attack?? I legit saw someone defending recording it cause he “could have hurt her” which sure?? But why did she think it was okay to post it?

This is androableism(?)