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It has come to my attention that there were plans for a cartoon set in Jason's days as Robin and wouldn't you know it, there's a whole story Bible for y'all to enjoy!

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hey guys i dreamed this last night after watching the animated version of The Dark Knight Returns, tell me if this is something
ok so basically: TDKR, but jason doesnāt die. joker still almost kills him and he spends like a year recovering but heās not dead. he does go into the lazarus pit (clark takes him). however bruce still retires from batman bc of the trauma and fear that incident caused. jason resents him for giving up on the cause and leaves, opting to spend the next nine years recreating the training that bruce did to become batman, step by step, as heās still committed to the cause and needs to be stronger. 10 years have now passed. we are now at the point where TDKR begins, and bruce can no longer stand by and watch gotham become hell on earth anymore. he puts on the suit and batman is back for the first time in ten years. after gotham realizes batman is back, jason returns home, post bruceās first fight with the mutant leader, having heard the news. heās no longer robin, but red robin instead (alex rosses og red robin design plus that DITF movie where jason is red robin post batman death occupy my mind ok), as he decided to reflect his elevated status post training. heās strong as if not stronger than bruce was at that stage, given his training technically started before bruce did, owing to his tenure as robin. he meets carrie kelly, and gives her his old robin suit since he āwonāt be wearing it for a whileā. with the caped crusaders reunited, batman, red robin, and robin fight through the rest of TDKR, culminating in the ending battle against superman, and the beginning battle of their new crusade. basically the next volumes of TDKR (TDKR 2,3,4) happens the same, except for the end, where instead of bruce going into a lazarus pit after the battle with the kryptonians and being batman again, he survives normally, and realizes his body is done. he passes the mantle of batman onto jason, and with carrie as robin, the new dynamic duo go out to protect gotham once more, with bruce as man in the chair.
also dick isnāt whatever they did to him in tdkr, heās like either retired as a cop or he retired to run an olympics gymnastics training program or smth cool like that, he quit in his late 30s after cleaning up bludhaven bc his body couldnāt take the moves he was doing as well as he used to.
anyways i thought this concept would be a really cool alternate take on TDKR bc throughout the entire series bruce has to come to terms with the fact his body is giving out on him and he needs a successor, and i find the lazarus pit thing kinda cheap, like i know he wants to be young again, but the whole point is him accepting heās not getting younger, but also i recognize they didnāt want to end with bruce either desd or relegated to chair guy while carrie is out alone so this solves both problems, bruce doesnāt a cheap end to his characyer development, and thereās still a dynamic duo
anyways uh what yāall think
also if you are inspired by this to write a fanfic or make some art pls tag me!! iād love to see it
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i have an idea. a universe where instead of jason resurrecting normally we get a duo. two jasonās for the price of one. the first half is black lantern undead jason todd. a black lantern ring finds him as hĆ© is digging out from his coffin. witj the ring, climbing out becomes effortless. the combined effects of being in a coffin plus the sudden change of being a lantern renders him mostly catatonic, unresponsive to most stimuli save for instinct, or things that are hard wired into his brain like mentioning bruce or robin. because of his catatonia, jason canāt use the ring properly, or consciously anyways. he can only make one construct when his subconscious wants him to defend himself. a dark, hulking figure, darker than shadow, with a billowing cape for jason to take shelter in unconsciously. a batman. he can only summon his once partner to fight with him. itās all hĆ© remembers. bruce.
now, the second half of the duo. a spectral entity. a soul given form. the spirit of jason todd, come back to haunt the world. this jason has become this worlds deadman, or Raven as hĆ© now calls himself. he took the mantle over from the former Deadman whoās name i canāt remember, when he was taking jasonās spirit to the afterlife. this jason has a vendetta. heās mad. heās scared. heās angry. heās a kid. heās lost. he wants bruce dead. he wants his father. when he finds his own body stumbling around clad in an unnaturally black robin suit, ring on his finger, he thinks he can become whole again. but not quite. see jason can effectively give himself form by possessing his own body, and can also use the full powers of the ring this way, but only temporarily, and it seems thereās still a disconnect between his body and spirit that canāt quite be overcome. so the two wander, led by spirit jason, while lantern jason provides the muscle, trying to enact spirit jays vendetta, whilst trying to become one again. a jason split in two personalities, one lively, and one lost.
idk what happens after, probably the justice league gets involved bc they get reports of a black lantern ring being used or smth, and then batman gets involved too. maybe the league as well, bc an undead jason witj a bl ring would be interesting to ras still and talia would want to try and help him.
as for their appearances, spirit jay is robin jay, but a ghost, and bloodied by the injuries from his death. nothing else tho, cuz heās a ghost his physical injuries donāt transfer obviously. black lantern jason wears a black lantern projected version of his robin suit, complete with cape, that has a black outer layer, and bright white inner layer. when the ring isnāt being used heās in his burial suit, though itās quite shabby. the batman hĆ© summons is a completely black batman, including the eyes.
anyways let me know what yall think add your ideas and if someone writes something off of this TELL MEEEEEEEEE
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i have an idea. a universe where instead of jason resurrecting normally we get a duo. two jasonās for the price of one. the first half is black lantern undead jason todd. a black lantern ring finds him as hĆ© is digging out from his coffin. witj the ring, climbing out becomes effortless. the combined effects of being in a coffin plus the sudden change of being a lantern renders him mostly catatonic, unresponsive to most stimuli save for instinct, or things that are hard wired into his brain like mentioning bruce or robin. because of his catatonia, jason canāt use the ring properly, or consciously anyways. he can only make one construct when his subconscious wants him to defend himself. a dark, hulking figure, darker than shadow, with a billowing cape for jason to take shelter in unconsciously. a batman. he can only summon his once partner to fight with him. itās all hĆ© remembers. bruce.
now, the second half of the duo. a spectral entity. a soul given form. the spirit of jason todd, come back to haunt the world. this jason has become this worlds deadman, or Raven as hĆ© now calls himself. he took the mantle over from the former Deadman whoās name i canāt remember, when he was taking jasonās spirit to the afterlife. this jason has a vendetta. heās mad. heās scared. heās angry. heās a kid. heās lost. he wants bruce dead. he wants his father. when he finds his own body stumbling around clad in an unnaturally black robin suit, ring on his finger, he thinks he can become whole again. but not quite. see jason can effectively give himself form by possessing his own body, and can also use the full powers of the ring this way, but only temporarily, and it seems thereās still a disconnect between his body and spirit that canāt quite be overcome. so the two wander, led by spirit jason, while lantern jason provides the muscle, trying to enact spirit jays vendetta, whilst trying to become one again. a jason split in two personalities, one lively, and one lost.
idk what happens after, probably the justice league gets involved bc they get reports of a black lantern ring being used or smth, and then batman gets involved too. maybe the league as well, bc an undead jason witj a bl ring would be interesting to ras still and talia would want to try and help him.
as for their appearances, spirit jay is robin jay, but a ghost, and bloodied by the injuries from his death. nothing else tho, cuz heās a ghost his physical injuries donāt transfer obviously. black lantern jason wears a black lantern projected version of his robin suit, complete with cape, that has a black outer layer, and bright white inner layer. when the ring isnāt being used heās in his burial suit, though itās quite shabby. the batman hĆ© summons is a completely black batman, including the eyes.
anyways let me know what yall think add your ideas and if someone writes something off of this TELL MEEEEEEEEE
i have an idea. a universe where instead of jason resurrecting normally we get a duo. two jasonās for the price of one. the first one is bla
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Dick is always available on the phone. He may roll his eyes at yet another call from his brothers, just to complain, but he will always answer and always let his siblings speak.
Dick will answer a hundred, a thousand ordinary, unimportant calls, but he will never miss an important one again.
One day he smashes the phone, and when half an hour later he recovers Jasonās missed call, he immediately calls back, his hands shaking.
Jason: Hey, big...
Dick: Is everything okay? Where are you?
Jason: What? I'm fine, I just wanted to..
Dick, his voice shaking: God, I'm sorry, I should have answered, I'm such an idiot, I'm so sorry..
Jason: Stop! I'm fine, I just wanted to ask if you want to patrol together today?
Dick, almost crying: Yes, yes, of course, of course I want to.
Jason hangs up and stares at the phone for a long time. In the evening, he meets his brother and hugs him. Dick clings to him with all his might.
I assume by "never miss an important one again", you're referring to Dick, after he got back to Earth from his Titans space mission and discoverd that Jason had been killed, he later listened to the voicemail message Jason left him complaining about Bruce grounding him as Robin and how he was going to sneak off and go looking for his birth mother, and he'd appreciate some backup if Dick was free?
Just another Tuesday when one has to remind Batfam fandom Dick DID NOT MISS any calls from Jason Todd, Dick was in space for months around the time of that Jason arc, there was no way Dick could have LET the call go to voicemail when he wasnt even on planet Earth at the time! That Dick canonically does not break into hives because he missed one call.
if jason called it wouldāve gone to his answering machine fool this is 1988 it wouldāve been like a landline call that dick cannot physically answer this still works, while itās not shown in canon that jason calls dick while heās in t hĆ© has the number for that explicit purpose so fandom fills in the gaps, please inform me as to what logic you are using to say that dick would have not missed any potential calls WHILE IN SPACE that is literally the whole backbone of this concept man thatās why people say he wouldāve missed jasonās call bc HES IN SPACE and when he comes back jason has already had a funeral
the amount of damage juni ba did to jason without even writing a comic abt jason needs to be studied
can you elaborate iād like to hear your perspective as simeon who enjoyed jason in juni bas recent boy wonder stuff
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Does Terry have a robin. Like i donāt think he got one in batman beyond cause duh heās a teen himself but guys imagine with me okay.
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batfam members and how flexible I think they are (none of these are to be taken sexually I swear)
bruce : if he stretches well before doing anything too major, then yeah, he's fairly flexible for his age. I do think he has back pain, though. come on. hes like, mid 40s at least.
dick : flexibility final boss. simple post-patrol stretches for him are full on scorpion ass pushups. his flexibility has started minorly straining on his body, but nothing too concerning.
jason : pre-lazarus pit/death jason was over average when it comes to flexibility. not as flexible as dick, hell no, but definitely more flexible than the average person. after the pit, his body pain and larger stature made it harder to do the same amount of tricks he used to be able to do, but he's definitely doing better than bruce. tbh I don't think he can do the splits. maybe he could if he just stretched a lot beforehand.
tim : honestly? he's currently almost as flexible as dick. they do a lot of the same stretches together, and dick did end up teaching him a few little circus-y tricks. back bends and high kicks hate to see this man coming. he does have some limitations due to body pain, and his body can't handle the amount of stamina needed to do the crazier stuff.
duke : a little tiny bit over average. he can do some flips, maybe a high kick here and there, but it takes more effort than it would if it were dick, damian, or tim. he does plenty of stretches and does have days where he focuses on practicing flexibility, but most of the time, he's working out to strengthen himself physically. can't do one of those crazy standing up back bends but can easily do the splits.
damian : flexible from day one. LITERALLY. they had this kid doing cartwheels before he could even say 'mother.' can do actual insane contortion, and it freaks everyone out. (him and cass bonded over being able to do weird shit one time. it was unpleasant for everyone besides them.) he and cass often do their stretches together since she's the only person who can hold the same contorted stretches for the same time span as him. back bends cower in fear at this kid. I feel like he's double jointed, too. (the metal spine did fuck him up a little bit, though.)
steph : she's more flexible than duke, but honesty rather neutral. I think she could be good at gymnastics, and she could absolutely do the splits, but she's nowhere close to the four horsemen of the wayne flexibility club.
cass : member of the four horsemen of the wayne flexibility club. I'm not kidding she can be an actual contortionist. she can do that weird thing people do where they flip their torso over while they're in a back bend. it helps a lot with her whole 'scary ass fucking bat' look when she's out as batgirl because she can just. start crawling aroundš hyperflexable/mobile, double jointed, all of that. it's insane.
did we read the same utrh or any red hood comic this goofy ahh dude constantly flipping out thereās an entire arc where he convincingly impersonates nightwing, acrobatics and all fer cryin out loud
if anything the lazarus pit meta optimized his joints for bouncing around

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something something jason todd saying tbis to batman after a joker attack causes child casualties
And this is a truth that Bruce knows firsthand.
He cradled his beautiful and brave boy's shattered body in his arms. He raged against a God that would see this as the cost of doing business.
He had to choose what little box would hold his decimated son's body, what liner and handles would be the last accessories to bury in the earth with his shining Jaylad when weeks before he'd still believed Robin was magic- when he'd still believed Robins could soar through the night sky with their dad.
What soulless creature buries their soul, only to turn around years later and spit in the face of a miracle restored?
This is why "We never kill" Batman bewilders me.
He's buried his broken heart and seen it rise once more, battered but at least still beating. How could he not be willing to pay any price to keep the people he's willing to bleed for any hour of the day or night from ever feeling such despair as he felt seeing his baby, his 14-y-o son, in a box he'd had to choose while choking back suffocating, heaving sobs when no parent should have to outlive their child?
couldnāt have said it better myself
something something jason todd saying this to batman after a joker attack causes child casualties
something something jason todd saying tbis to batman after a joker attack causes child casualties
hey guys i dreamed this last night after watching the animated version of The Dark Knight Returns, tell me if this is something
ok so basically: TDKR, but jason doesnāt die. joker still almost kills him and he spends like a year recovering but heās not dead. he does go into the lazarus pit (clark takes him). however bruce still retires from batman bc of the trauma and fear that incident caused. jason resents him for giving up on the cause and leaves, opting to spend the next nine years recreating the training that bruce did to become batman, step by step, as heās still committed to the cause and needs to be stronger. 10 years have now passed. we are now at the point where TDKR begins, and bruce can no longer stand by and watch gotham become hell on earth anymore. he puts on the suit and batman is back for the first time in ten years. after gotham realizes batman is back, jason returns home, post bruceās first fight with the mutant leader, having heard the news. heās no longer robin, but red robin instead (alex rosses og red robin design plus that DITF movie where jason is red robin post batman death occupy my mind ok), as he decided to reflect his elevated status post training. heās strong as if not stronger than bruce was at that stage, given his training technically started before bruce did, owing to his tenure as robin. he meets carrie kelly, and gives her his old robin suit since he āwonāt be wearing it for a whileā. with the caped crusaders reunited, batman, red robin, and robin fight through the rest of TDKR, culminating in the ending battle against superman, and the beginning battle of their new crusade. basically the next volumes of TDKR (TDKR 2,3,4) happens the same, except for the end, where instead of bruce going into a lazarus pit after the battle with the kryptonians and being batman again, he survives normally, and realizes his body is done. he passes the mantle of batman onto jason, and with carrie as robin, the new dynamic duo go out to protect gotham once more, with bruce as man in the chair.
also dick isnāt whatever they did to him in tdkr, heās like either retired as a cop or he retired to run an olympics gymnastics training program or smth cool like that, he quit in his late 30s after cleaning up bludhaven bc his body couldnāt take the moves he was doing as well as he used to.
anyways i thought this concept would be a really cool alternate take on TDKR bc throughout the entire series bruce has to come to terms with the fact his body is giving out on him and he needs a successor, and i find the lazarus pit thing kinda cheap, like i know he wants to be young again, but the whole point is him accepting heās not getting younger, but also i recognize they didnāt want to end with bruce either desd or relegated to chair guy while carrie is out alone so this solves both problems, bruce doesnāt a cheap end to his characyer development, and thereās still a dynamic duo
anyways uh what yāall think
also if you are inspired by this to write a fanfic or make some art pls tag me!! iād love to see it
hm iāve seen many dick grayson as batman aus snd stories and ykw i wanna see some jason todd as batman aus and stories hit me with em folks

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ok but DID I come back wrong, or did you build up an idealized version of me in your head that was easy to love while I was dead? but now that I'm real and alive and complicated again, you resent me for not being as simple and compliant as a mere memory?
do you resent me for coming back "wrong," or for coming back at all?
well
op, did you perhaps forget something in this photo? something small? that come in a pair? very importsnt for a helmet? i only ask bc you seem to have given jason eyebrows (peak comedy) whilst neglecting to give his helmet eyeholes (shame on you for stealing a poor boys eyes)
this is a grave mistake and must be rectified at once!