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favorite bits of the cast interviews in the LOTR special features:
Dominic Monaghan, Billy Boyd, Elijah Wood and Viggo Mortensen all taking the piss out of Orlando Bloom for going on about a cracked rib too much, while Orlando Bloom desperately tries to wriggle out of talking about it (special mention to Elijah WoodāsĀ āoh it hurts, babes, and I canāt ride the horse, babesā and Viggo MortensenāsĀ āthey can be very fragile, elves, especially theā¦Mirkwood strainā¦ā)
Ian McKellen commenting thatĀ āthey never did find any suitable underwear for Gandalfā¦ā
Dominic Monaghan going on and on about how Viggo Mortensen apparently had a crush on one of the Rohirrim extras (who like a lot of the Rohirrim extras was a woman in a fake beard) while Vigoo Mortensen just muttersĀ āone could perhaps say something about Mr. Monaghanāsā¦proclivitiesā¦ā
Dominic Monaghanās imitation of John Rhys-Davies ordering food at a restaurant for the whole cast.Ā āYou have partridge? BRING THE PARTRIDGE!ā
John Rhys-Davies talking about an incident with the Lothlorian boats and sayingĀ āif an elf and a dwarf are in a boatā¦andā¦the boat goes underā¦let us say that the blame was not placed on the elfā while Orlando Bloom spluttersĀ āheās a big guy, man!āĀ
Elijah Wood talking about how the hobbit actors shared a trailer with Ian McKellen and sometimes they would hear inarticulate bellows of protest from his side when they played loud music in the mornings
Viggo Mortensen talking about how, while filming with those same boats, Kirin Shaw (Elijah Woodās scale double) started telling himĀ āif the boat tips overā¦save yourselfā¦I canāt swim.āĀ
Elijah Wood describing how Sean Astin would try to direct the helicopters to land while they were on location, while the other three hobbits were screwing around and throwing pinecones at each other
Christopher Lee recounting how he had so much trouble going up some steps in Orthanc with his long robe that he stopped in the middle of the scene and said,Ā āI cannot get up these goddamn steps, Peter.āĀ
Viggo Mortensen mentioning that he left a weekend rehearsal and went walking down the street still swinging his sword around, and promptly got the cops called on him
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Also loved that it actually is Woke Odyssey. Not in a "we cast black and trans actors" way but in a "this is a movie about man's hubris, the disregard for and destruction of social contracts, the disdain with which we treat the living and the dead, the violence we wage against each other, the way we become enraptured with 'great' instead of 'right,' and the way all of that degrades the soul of man" way
I'm gonna be honest, I fuck with a movie that's all about the collapse of a society that perpetuates certain morals and laws that itself is not willing to uphold when it comes to interacting with the rest of the world.
The Greeks used the excuse of a woman and the war of gods to wage war with an economic competitor, then showed up on their enemy's shores and broke their own laws of hospitality to win the war and ransacked the city and its people. The story of those actions traveled the world, making everyone afraid of the "people from the sea," even the Greeks who WERE the people from the sea.
The suitors cried about the laws not being upheld for them but were unwilling to uphold them themselves. The same society was terrified of this invisible enemy that would invade because of their lack of morals, unaware that THEY are the ones who broke the laws first. They are their own boogeyman. The fear of foreignors was never about the actions of foreignors but their own actions.
The gods haunt the narrative as an ideal. If they were confirmed real, then this movie becomes a warning against breaking away from "the correct religion." Instead, it is a warning of how mutual care and respect for your fellow man, whether gods exist or not, is the backbone of society, and without it, morality becomes something to twist and fear monger.
The gods couldn't exist in this adaptation, so a lot of the plot points involving the gods had to be changed or left out. "Nobody" only matters if Odysseus doxxes himself for poseidon to punish. (The crew members insisting that they definitely heard the cyclops say posiedon and jumping to the conclusion that he was poseidon's son and they were cursed was a great change in my opinion.) The wind bag can only exist if the gods exist. Athena can only guide Telemechus and Odysseus if the gods exist. ("Athena" potentially only being Odysseus's guilt for the preistess he let die who only shows up in times where his actions in Troy are thematically important was *chef's kiss*.) The Trojan War is only a war sanctioned by the gods if the gods exist. Odysseus being stuck with Calypso for so long needs another reason (the lotus) if it's not by the will of the gods. What would Circe and Calypso be like if they weren't eternal goddesses? Did the crew go to Hades, or did they just perform a spell that raised the dead?
Magic and Monsters can still exist without the gods, and everything else can be explained by superstition, nature, and bad luck. The ideal of the gods haunt the narrative so wonderfully.
I'm not a fan of Nolan's directorial aesthetic, but for the themes he wanted to explore, I think this was a fantastic retelling of the original. Accuracy isn't and shouldn't always be the goal. Sometimes, taking an existing story and making something new in order to speak to a different aspect of humanity is all we can really hope for.
This doesn't mean people HAVE to like it. There are plenty of "good" movies that I do not enjoy watching. However, acting like it's an objective thing to say that this was a failure of an adaptation is very annoying. It's a subjective opinion of art.
Thoughts after a midnight screening of The Odyssey
The Nobody scene ā definitely translatable into English, but the original point was to show ego and the consequences thereof. Shooting an arrow into the eye of a creature you just learnt knows the concept of malice, and spites you with a dead solider (helmet) because of this is ego. There is no benefit of shooting Cyclops, but Odysseus does any way because he values himself and the pride of his men above this creature. They same reasoning of deceiving the Cyclops in the poem.
Additionally, the cyclops did not speak with its face to the camera, and having to edit the face of the puppet to create a realistic conversation is additional and not necessary.
Scylla and Charybdis, did not like the human teeth, but a great scene, Nolan is depicting the perils of the Gods as legitimate seafaring perils, also the mountains eat you. Thatās life.
āCollapse of the Bronze Ageā ok weird but flows better than I feared. All of Damonās exposition is clunky, it contextualises it for the audience, a lot of people donāt know what the Bronze Age is and if this is the only time you hear of it it is a decent correlation to know of.
Zendaya as Athena/disciple ā I loved this very much, a few thought is will simmer on
1. It feels like Zendaya is performing the typical āwoman on screen to show what the man is feeling, bc he isnāt saying/showing itā which is annoying, but I can get over it bc understanding through religion imagery is fair enough
2. The only god being physically depicted could be rationalised as Odysseus is giving personhood to his shame and guilt about not getting back to his wife (Athena pin), sacking and destroying a temple (Athena), and betraying Zeusā Law (Trojan horse) which is an odd way to depower the gods - especially with their very powerful kids running around - so they are (and could be) there
No jar of wind ā all the perils Odysseus facing in the movie are direct consequences of actions, or to present a concern āare your men good(pigs?), who are you willing to give up(Scylla and Charybdis), what are you willing to know (hades, sirens). A jar of wind is a thing and doesnāt seem like an event, additionally, all fantastical and mythological elements are larger than life - something hand holdable takes out of the grandeur the film is getting at (you canāt control the gods/their power)
āZeusā Lawā ya super annoying how itās hammered into the audience a lot, but I know some Greek myths, and many people do not, I can get over it and if to make the climax of the movie land with the audience who have not heard about it - it is the most important cultural law you need for the film.
āZeusā Lawā and Troy. Very fun to have a military strategy (Athenaās thing) to betray the law of your land (āmy father says we have to treat every strangerā¦.) and while realizing you betrayed the god your wife gave you as a gift, realizing that you betrayed your culture, and this betrayal travels home faster than you do ā the sea people cause villagers to flee, causing the āfall of this age of bronzeā.
Odysseus leaving Ithica (dif from the poem I believe) ya man he fucked up and killed his culture, Zeus law isnāt being followed and itās his fault, he doesnāt want to deal with that, heās out.
Additionally thoughts
As a movie - great. It is fun and engaging, didnāt see it in IMAX and while the cropping of close up/conversations I noticed, who I wine t with did not
Women in the film - loved Hathaway, calypso was weird and Circe was great, I think anyway you depict these two will have haters, Iām choosing to like them bc why not
Hollands acting was better than I heard, I like him more in this than Spider-Man
Elliot page and Robert Patterson - fantastic dynamic, learning who young Robert was before young Elliot, every instance where we learn more about each, loved it a lot.
Odysseus continual dismissal of the physical dead bodies - in cyclops cave, and in temple with Telemachus(?), he āhonoursā them in getting out alive, and burning olive branches when prompted, but values live people much more than dead ones, which makes his acceptance to put his mean in danger if it means saving more men interesting, also a turning point in Hades, shit has to change, but he decides early, that he will change that after he gets home
My sister did not realize Helen had a twin sister. Was under the impression that Agamemnons wife killed him and then married his brother. This was explained in detail but she was caught up in trying to figure out whose son they were talking about and missed it
Last thought
Why the fuck did not only tell me three (3) dogs died? What the fuck. Five if you count the ones thrown off the cliff, but three who we actually met and referred to individually.
Also that puppy was a different breed to scraggly old Argos(?) why was the puppy a white and brown beagle and the old guy was a scraggly mutt? Odd choice
Music was great love a consistent melody of strings and horns
Exposition on the boat at the end was clunky any meta, idk if that was quotes, but I was enticing the visuals and not listening to them refer to the poem itself
Thoughts after a midnight screening of The Odyssey
Spoilers below
The Nobody scene ā definitely translatable into English, but the original point was to show ego and the consequences thereof. Shooting an arrow into the eye of a creature you just learnt knows the concept of malice, and spites you with a dead solider (helmet) because of this is ego. There is no benefit of shooting Cyclops, but Odysseus does any way because he values himself and the pride of his men above this creature. They same reasoning of deceiving the Cyclops in the poem.
Additionally, the cyclops did not speak with its face to the camera, and having to edit the face of the puppet to create a realistic conversation is additional and not necessary.
Scylla and Charybdis, did not like the human teeth, but a great scene, Nolan is depicting the perils of the Gods as legitimate seafaring perils, also the mountains eat you. Thatās life.
āCollapse of the Bronze Ageā ok weird but flows better than I feared. All of Damonās exposition is clunky, it contextualises it for the audience, a lot of people donāt know what the Bronze Age is and if this is the only time you hear of it it is a decent correlation to know of.
Zendaya as Athena/disciple ā I loved this very much, a few thought is will simmer on
1. It feels like Zendaya is performing the typical āwoman on screen to show what the man is feeling, bc he isnāt saying/showing itā which is annoying, but I can get over it bc understanding through religion imagery is fair enough
2. The only god being physically depicted could be rationalised as Odysseus is giving personhood to his shame and guilt about not getting back to his wife (Athena pin), sacking and destroying a temple (Athena), and betraying Zeusā Law (Trojan horse) which is an odd way to depower the gods - especially with their very powerful kids running around - so they are (and could be) there
No jar of wind ā all the perils Odysseus facing in the movie are direct consequences of actions, or to present a concern āare your men good(pigs?), who are you willing to give up(Scylla and Charybdis), what are you willing to know (hades, sirens). A jar of wind is a thing and doesnāt seem like an event, additionally, all fantastical and mythological elements are larger than life - something hand holdable takes out of the grandeur the film is getting at (you canāt control the gods/their power)
āZeusā Lawā ya super annoying how itās hammered into the audience a lot, but I know some Greek myths, and many people do not, I can get over it and if to make the climax of the movie land with the audience who have not heard about it - it is the most important cultural law you need for the film.
āZeusā Lawā and Troy. Very fun to have a military strategy (Athenaās thing) to betray the law of your land (āmy father says we have to treat every strangerā¦.) and while realizing you betrayed the god your wife gave you as a gift, realizing that you betrayed your culture, and this betrayal travels home faster than you do ā the sea people cause villagers to flee, causing the āfall of this age of bronzeā.
Odysseus leaving Ithica (dif from the poem I believe) ya man he fucked up and killed his culture, Zeus law isnāt being followed and itās his fault, he doesnāt want to deal with that, heās out.
Additionally thoughts
As a movie - great. It is fun and engaging, didnāt see it in IMAX and while the cropping of close up/conversations I noticed, who I wine t with did not
Women in the film - loved Hathaway, calypso was weird and Circe was great, I think anyway you depict these two will have haters, Iām choosing to like them bc why not
Hollands acting was better than I heard, I like him more in this than Spider-Man
Elliot page and Robert Patterson - fantastic dynamic, learning who young Robert was before young Elliot, every instance where we learn more about each, loved it a lot.
Odysseus continual dismissal of the physical dead bodies - in cyclops cave, and in temple with Telemachus(?), he āhonoursā them in getting out alive, and burning olive branches when prompted, but values live people much more than dead ones, which makes his acceptance to put his mean in danger if it means saving more men interesting, also a turning point in Hades, shit has to change, but he decides early, that he will change that after he gets home
My sister did not realize Helen had a twin sister. Was under the impression that Agamemnons wife killed him and then married his brother. This was explained in detail but she was caught up in trying to figure out whose son they were talking about and missed it
Last thought
Why the fuck did not only tell me three (3) dogs died? What the fuck. Five if you count the ones thrown off the cliff, but three who we actually met and referred to individually.
Also that puppy was a different breed to scraggly old Argos(?) why was the puppy a white and brown beagle and the old guy was a scraggly mutt? Odd choice
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spent forty-five minutes today helping an 87yo woman who does not own a computer or a cell phone try to set up an email account so that she could then set up a second account in order to access benefits. went with protonmail, because they don't require 2fa, but it turns out that while you can still make a protonmail account without authentication you can no longer use it to create OTHER accounts without it, and the benefits page she needed to get to required both an email and a cell phone to create an account anyway. asked if she wanted to try going in person to see if someone there could help her, and she said that she had, and they'd directed her to the website. she tried signing up with her landline, but of course that didn't work because you can't do SMS authentication that way. finally ended up writing up detailed instructions for how to log in and authenticate her account so she can drive to her severely disabled daughter's house forty minutes away because that's the only person she knows and trusts who has both a cell phone and a computer.
anyway i fucking hate mandatory 2fa and i think the people responsible for it should have to spend a year navigating their lives with no cell phone and no internet access beyond the public library pcs. fuck.
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