I’m going to take this in the spirit intended and answer calmly. I cannot promise any of my fellow antis will do the same and cannot control their behavior.

With that caveat in place…

Easy. It’s not canon. All the supposed subtle messages, “lingering” looks, and other nonsense do not excuse nor detract from the fact that Castiel really fucked up a lot! Bringing Sam back soulless? Breaking his wall? The mess with the angel tablet? On and on… Castiel—had Misha not been “protected” by Bobby Singer, among other bullshit behind the scenes—would have been written out of any other story! No way Dean would have ever forgiven him for all the stuff that had been done to Sam!

How on earth could have Dean loved Castiel with all that?! Especially given how rabid and fanatical Dean is about Sam! It took jumping the shark to even make Castiel make sense and stay when the story would’ve demanded he be removed.

But here’s the thing—when I first watched Supernatural, it was without any knowledge of J2 and Misha. None. I only remembered Jensen from his time on Days of Our Lives. Nothing more. (And Jared from Gilmore Girls.)

I never saw Destiel. Zilch. Zip. Nada.

Maybe you did! Cool. Don’t care. It’s not canon. Jensen, the other half of the Destiel ship, has demanded more than once “Where is Destiel real?”

I’ve seen some seriously toxic and disturbing posts and comments by Hellers about how they don’t care what Jensen says. They want him forced if need be to make Destiel real.

That soured me immensely.

But! Only to those who insist it’s canon (it’s not), to those who ignore Jensen, to those who chase down and send death threats to those who are anti Destiel and/or anti Misha.

The general, quiet Destiel fans? Fine with me.

Those who behave badly? Nope. I’ve seen enough to believe the history of death threats that were sent to Jensen, the inappropriate Destiel stuff he’s had to sign in autos and pose in photo ops. He’s been accused of being homophobic, biphobic….

Such behavior has made it hard to even remotely tolerate Destiel as a whole.

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Link. I think Misha is making up stories to cover up a fallout with the TW showrunner or producer.  While The Winchester was being developed, Misha tweeted to Jensen that The Winchesters could use a “time traveling angel”.  But when the showrunner or producer calls Misha, suddenly he’s “nah, not good enough for my character”?  Nah, Misha is telling tall tales to his fans that he wants to do right by their fanfictions when actually it’s because there was some kind of fallout; either from turning down the guest star gig or from trying to influence Castiel’s storyline.  Him calling Jensen afterwards is to make sure they’re still on good terms and he won’t get blacklisted from any future SPN spinoffs.

The timeline of Misha’s story means The Winchesters was still a prequel.  When they retconned it as a sequel, the appearance of Bobby Singer and Jack the God makes some sense.   Heck even Castiel appearance with the two could makes sense because it would jive with Bobby’s line in 15x20 that Cas helped Jack craft a new heaven.  Buti if Misha’s story is true, then he pissed off the showrunner or producer by turning down a guest star gig, so he wasn’t invited to the finale and lost out on the opportunity to feed the hellers with Dean and Cas in the same scene of the TW finale.

TFW2pointO: Interesting spnthen&now interview with Kripke in the latest episode. He says he didn't always plan for Chuck to be God. He leaves it up to fans if Ben is Dean's son. He's been trying to get Jared on #theboys and hopes to have him for season 5. lettistruluv: After the fuss Jared stans made, when they realized how v successful Jensen’s been on #TheBoys, of course Kripke would feel bound to make every effort for Jared. Happy for him😊 What a turnaround considering some initially scoffed at & about Jensen😊

I am always so annoyed with how bad of stalkers Jared-antis are. Like, at least put in a *little* effort? Or maybe its just the people I follow but I personally have seen very few Jared fans who even want him on TB let alone that made a "fuss" over it. The only time we even talked about it was when antis would start swearing that we were so sad he wasn't on and we had to tell them that no, we do not care.

Most of us don't want him on for whatever our reasons are, but I think it's also pretty clear he doesn't really want to be on. He's very polite and pc when he answers questions about it (how he's love to but timing, saying he likes doing projects his family can watch, or he deflects talking about having to work out first, etc.) but it pretty clear that it isn't something he is really looking to do.

But this passive aggressive "so happy for him *smiley face* because I saw that big fuss from his fans, must be a pity job offer" bs is just.. not it. Like, ma'am, he keeps getting ASKED about it in interviews. Kripke keeps saying HE WANTS HIM ON and has been trying to get him to join. Jared is not and never has been the one to bring it up first.

Um most Jared fans I know aren't "scoffing" at it. They just don't like the show. Plain and simple so they never cared about it or about Jared being on it. AAs get butthurt about that all the time because "winning" doesn't work if your competition doesn't give a shit.

Well IF this is true (huge massive IF because both MC and Will are known to lie) it is soooooo much more embarrassing so I almost hope it is true lol. He wanted to "do it right" unlike someone else and THAT is the scene he landed on? He stayed a whole extra year at a job to make one of the most meme'ed and laughed at scenes in the whole entire show?

"he wanted to stay to write the confession and stick the landing for Castiel's ending" they couldn't even stick Jensen's landing from that push that came from the wrong side lmao. "in part because he thought the other writers would screw it up" - so instead of letting someone else 'screw it up' he just took a blowtorch to Cas' whole character development and any hope he had for not being a villain/joke after that scene??

Same as the percentage I gave it going canon in TW: 0%.

It's the brothers show that makes a winner in front of the GA coz everyone at some level can relate to family & having a sibbling/friend who is like sibbling. People watch this show across countries and continents not coz of Destial but the brothers.

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