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um hi i made this before volume 2 came out and never wanted to finish it but i still really liked this one so.. does anyone still want miwi edits -_-
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i simply don’t want to hear any criticism of the good omens finale, especially anything along the lines of “the writers mischaracterized them, they would have chosen each other”
the whole point of season one, the *original storyline*, was that they defied their bosses not because they knew they were in love, but because they loved humanity more than anything. time and again, they have always chosen humanity, and them choosing humanity again was always the answer.
that, and aziraphale literally says “you know what i want, but that’s not what matters.” he wants them to be an “us” too, but he knows that it’s all bigger than their love. humanity matters more, true free-willed humanity — and to be human is to choose love.
(and i truthfully believe they both knew they’d find each other again somehow.)
the people who don't understand crowley and aziraphale's motivation piss me off so muchhh because
crowley literally said, word for word (or as similar as it can be given that i cant remember it' that THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED. YOU CANNOT IMPROVE THE SYSTEM. YOU CANNOT FIX IT. EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU CAN, YOU CANT, BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, WHICHEVER POSITION YOU ARE IN, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEWHERE HIGHER THAN YOU WHO IS CANCELLING EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING!!!!
Yes, they had to destroy the civilization and themselves. But, if they hadn't done what they did, they wuldn't have made a difference. They wouldn't have changed the system or saved the humans or anything.
Which is why I personally think that S3 if fine, if not great, but still.
i thought we could finally accept and be normal about the fact that queer stories do not need physical intimacy or happy endings to be "real" representation and have value but apparently not
wtf are some of y’all yapping on about ‘queer erasure’ in the gomens finale. they’re together? they’re married? th-they’re literally married? they’re happy and in love? how fucking more on the nose could it be? i’m so baffled right now
like c’mon, one of them could’ve been sent to superhell. one of them could’ve chucked himself off a building. one of them could’ve bled out in the other’s arms. one of them could’ve said ‘friends? no thanks! best friends!’ like guys c’mon. they’re HAPPY and TOGETHER.
in terms of how this shit usually ends, this was a huge fucking win.

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“‘Tis Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all”
In Memoriam A. H. H. by Alfred, Lord Tennyson
I've said this before and...
Aziraphale and Crowley's canon universe is a terrifying place. They lost it, yes. But their sacrifice was not in vain. And - I don't think they've lived only one love story in ours. I think they lived so many. And will for a long time.
Look at your loved ones... and you will see them.
There is no Book of Life in our Universe. There are just stories we create. Because we are free. Free to choose. And create. And love. And fight for the good things.
We can give them all the good endings.
i do not understand how you can say that the ending somehow erases or destroys their relationship, that six thousand years "don't matter" anymore as if death erases love. as if death erases meaning. as if their love isn't literally the reason for creation.
as if the entire movie was not created out of love for terry pratchett and his stories, his life. as if his memory isn't the reason we have an ending to the story in the first place.
as if you cannot see and feel how much they cared, as if they haven't immortalized him yet again in the movie itself.
people want everyone to "break the cycle" and then get upset when the cycle is actually broken and not reproduced slightly to the left. something that is working as intended cannot be fixed, it has to be completely replaced.
yes that means grief. it means anger and sadness and change and the opportunity for new joy. that's life.
I think people aren't used to seeing sad endings well written, some people assume that sad endings are bad and it's not at all.
Good omens is the perfect example, it's tragic but it makes sense with the character and the way they have always acted on the show.
That I would have liked another ending? Absolutely.
But it doesn't mean that the real ending is bad, in fact it is well written but it's tragic and it breaks my heart.
thematically i think it was pretty fucking spot on. i think this is how it was meant to end.
however, it is also very apparent to me (and for the purposes of this tumblr post this is an OPINION and i am not calling anyone anything for not agreeing) that that ending was God giving them what they wanted: a universe without heaven or hell. a universe where they can find each other again and again in every lifetime (time after time plays softly in the background). a universe where they can be authors and booksellers and ace and allo and have agency and free will every single time and no matter what they keep choosing each other over and over again.
i also do not think that god would ever disappear completely from all universes. how could she undo herself? i think that they exist as they are as angels and demons in other timelines and in other universes where they also keep choosing each other. i think that they probably just reset back to something near the end of season one. where they are apart from head offices but living on earth.
but in the one ending we see, in this little godless snow globe that they chose for themselves, they are just two halves of a whole reconnecting over and over again even without a divine hand intervening and i think that’s fucking gorgeous.

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yeah i love when i watch a show and i love it, flaws and all then i get excited and go to tumblr to see all the others who also loved it and yall are just. so damn negative. like, in what world was that a bad ending?? did we forget the fact that it was only like an episode and a half because they had to cut it short?? obviously it would have been better if it was long and showed more but i think it was cut short for a damn good reason.
and like the whole thing about ppl being mad about them dying? yall. be so fr. they lived for 6000 years they had plenty of time together. AND they get to be together as humans in an alternate universe. like thats perfect. imo everyone dies in the end and it doesn’t erase anything.
and and, ppl saying that crowley wouldn’t want to sacrifice themselves for earth. like yeah he loved aziraphale more than anything but it would be a bad ending if they sacrificed the entire world for each other, since the whole point of the two of them was that they loved earth, humans and free will and i dont think theyd feel comfortable going back to how it was knowing that it would all be fake and probably end soon anyway
basically my point is yall are fucking negative nancys and while i 100% think criticism is allowed and actually i think its good to criticize shows you like, you aren’t criticizing your just complaining that they didn’t sacrifice all of the story to make ur ship (that i ALSO love and ship) just a bit better. like damn take a deep breath and enjoy something for once, then write some fics. youll get over it i promise.
sorry if this seems rude i just got pissed that i was in such a good mood after watching that and now im kinda not. i understand the disappointment but i personally disagree. genuinely no hate at all :)
stranger things is, fundamentally, a show about the queer experience— and it always has been. (part one)
i’m going to pose an idea, here, and i need you to try and hear me out if recent events have you wanting to immediately dismiss it. (and if you’re reading this from the bus, hello! this is absolutely a post for you, too.)
stranger things…has always been queer. fundamentally so, and intentionally so, and in ways that hinge on more than just how byler interact with each other. because though they are at the core of the show (and we’ll of course be touching on them here, too!), there is so, so much else that surrounds them.
this doesn’t just begin from season one; it begins from the entire pitch and premise itself. and, though you may not believe me, persists all the way through to the end of season 5.
stranger things is not one of the gayest shows i’ve ever seen purely because it has a very prevalent m/m ship, no— it’s one of the gayest shows i’ve ever seen because every single season subtextually centers itself heavily around a different aspect of the queer experience.
(and, no. season 5’s is not what you think it is.)
let’s go back to the very, very beginning.
stranger things, in its simplest form, is about a small, conservative town in the midwest, forced to confront everything surrounding something they hadn’t even thought existed once situations grow too severe to simply ignore.
in stranger things, queerness is the supernatural.
now, before you say anything, no, the show isn’t trying to say that queer people are evil scary monsters. it’s about queer experiences.
because in season 1, who are the people that suffer the most?
stranger things 1 follows a young boy, cast out and ostracized by his town for a difference even his own mother admits she can see in him. he has three best friends, but his relationship with one of them is…different, than it is with the other two. they push him to lie to this friend about something they see as largely inconsequential, and though the boy goes along with it initially, it doesn’t sit right with him. his friend, and the game they forged their bond while playing, mean a lot to him. so he thinks about this feeling, acknowledges it, and then acts on it— though only once the two are alone.
and is promptly thrown into another world in the blink of an eye on the way home.
this new world, though it may look identical to the town he’s always known, is terrifying, and cold, and, most importantly— empty. he sees not a single person also in this terrible place with him, and the familiar people that have always populated his home have been replaced by dangerous monsters, only out for his blood.
will byers has just been trapped in the closet.
if you’ve read this wonderfully written substack article that goes into an interpretation of this in detail, this idea is not new to you— but it certainly is to the people of hawkins.
because though will is trapped, no one really considers the possibility that he could be.
he isn’t suffering, they think, because he’s dead, or he isn’t suffering, they say, because he’s run away, and the notion that a place like this is actively causing him so much pain and anguish is laughable, because how could it even exist in the first place?
will suffers, alone, because the reality of his situation is rendered invisible to anyone that does not deliberately try to seek out and understand it.
so, who does?
a mother’s instincts are are a truly powerful thing. but though joyce understands that her son is actively suffering and in distress enough to hear him when he desperately calls out for her, she still cannot conceptualize the full scope of the place he has been stuck in, and so they cannot see each other. it is her willingness to face the reality of her son’s torment head on that allows her to rescue him from it.
hopper— who initially so very bluntly asked if the opinions held by will’s homophobic father were founded— doesn’t understand what the hell any of this is, or even believes it exists at first. but he does know, intimately, both the pain of losing a child AND the devastation of watching a child themselves suffer in pain, and that is what gets him to initially empathize with and look into a truth that grows more and more apparent the deeper he gets.
jonathan does not want to even consider the possibility of the existence of something he cannot shield his baby brother from. something he possibly could have protected him from, had he only been there to see just where he’d been about to go. it is only when he realizes that something similar could have happened to someone else that he knows he cannot look away from this, and resolves to seek out the truth.
the isolation barb feels at being left behind while her best friend goes and partakes in something she’d thought they both didn’t have very much of an interest in has her ending up in exactly the same world that will has— not that she ever gets to realize that she isn’t experiencing all of this alone. unlike joyce, her parents are unable to forge and force their way into comprehending their daughter’s situation, and she ends up lost forever to them as a result, for reasons they will never truly understand. nancy does try to find that understanding, though it comes too late to help what has already happened to her closest friend.
lucas and dustin learn of will’s situation much quicker than most other people in their town, but their understanding doesn’t quite manifest in the same way joyce’s does. they’re will’s friends, so they obviously want to help him once they learn he’s in trouble, but they don’t quite grasp the true danger and severity of the situation until far later on in the season. their reactions to one specific character are very significant, here, but we’ll get to that in a moment.
and then, there’s mike.
mike, though he initially has no ideas as to what could have happened to will, still knows almost immediately that something has to be wrong. he is the first of the party to be able to ‘tune in’ to this other world and hear him, which so far only joyce has been able to do. but while joyce is granted these moments through nothing but sheer force of trying to understand and reach out, mike is…aided. is immediately faced by the inexplicable existence of something the second his desire and need to help will supersede his desire to listen to his mother.
so what exactly do the boys find out in those woods, again?
el, as a character, only makes her first appearance in hawkins upon will’s disappearance. characters first discover the existence of the supernatural through either recognizing the existence of a place that is causing will pain, recognizing the existence of a pattern of something that is causing the same thing to happen to multiple people, or through encountering el. her existence is something the government is incredibly serious about keeping shut away and concealed, and she is made to feel like a monster by the institution (with dangerously close ties to the government) that teaches her to chase after the approval, love, and acceptance of its male figurehead.
when the party come across her, they want to find will, and quickly reason that she would be able to help do so, but they still don’t know quite what to make of her.
dustin, though he isn’t necessarily weirded out by her existence, has an initial fascination with her and her powers that’s slightly akin to staring at a bizarrely unique piece of novelty furniture, and wanting to poke at it until it does a cool trick.
lucas, on the other hand, thinks she should be sent right back to where she came from, since she’s surely far more trouble than she’s worth if they keep her around them. he entertains the idea that she can help, but grows angry when she, nervous about the prospect of them actually seeing the true state of this other world she is so heavily connected to, intentionally sends them further away. goes so far as to call her a monster, which mike, notably, has an extremely negative and angry reaction to.
now, i’m not trying to bash either of them here, because 1) they’re 12 years old in a conservative town in the middle of nowhere, and 2) this is the first time they’ve ever been physically confronted by the presence of something i’m sure you, if you weren’t already aware, are starting to get that el very heavily represents: queerness.
or, where mike specifically is concerned, his own. though that particular realization isn’t due till a few more years down the line.
so what does mike see el as, then?
the funny thing about this is that every single character EXCEPT mike, recognizes el for what she is, and comes to an understanding of her.
while will is incredibly attuned to his own emotions and feelings, and probably knew he loved mike before he even conceptualized that that meant he was gay, mike is a child of emotional neglect (thanks, ted). when he feels an emotion, he simply knows that it exists, but not what it means, where it came from, or even really what it consists of.
el, to mike, is simply…The Emotion I Felt When Will Left. that is when she first appeared, and so that is what he knows her as. he even refers to her by a name he created for her himself.
mike knows that he has An Emotion, but hasn’t put a name to what it actually is. el is The Emotion. when he interacts with el, he is interacting with The Emotion— but that does not mean that he understands it. keep this in mind as we go.
so, mike and his friends come across the subtextual manifestation of queerness in the woods, upon which mike immediately hides her existence away from his family, tries passing her off as any other normal child of the town, and grows angry when her presence wasn’t enough to save will from being pulled out of that lake, and now he’s stuck being aware of her forever while knowing nothing ever came of it.
it’s only when sitting in this overwhelming grief, this terrifying feeling that you are suddenly, terribly alone in a way no one else could ever understand, that he resonates with what will is currently dealing with enough to finally be able to hear him. he’s letting himself be in tune with his emotions— with The Emotion! and she rewards him for this temporary connection in turn. replicating this when in the presence of other people watching proves slightly more difficult, however.
and let’s go back to the fight in the junkyard. though el is general queerness to every character except mike, he does subconsciously have at least some idea of what The Emotion is actually comprised of. so when lucas calls the general idea of queerness monstrous, mike instinctively feels this as an accusation of he himself being monstrous, and reacts with more anger than we’ve ever seen from him so far. once el hurts lucas, mike then pushes that shame and anger away from himself, and directs all of it towards her.
The Emotion is the thing that is wrong. The Emotion is the thing that is bad, and that is hurting his friends. The Emotion is the monster.
but doing this only cements his own shame within himself even further. because The Emotion is still his own.
so do you know what scene proceeds to follow this one? what its resolution is?
mike decides to jump off a cliff. and he keeps this strictly between el and dustin, because we never see him attempt to bring it up with lucas. because he knows that lucas didn’t mean it like that— but there’s still a point to be made here about the words we casually say impacting people who are quietly struggling with things we’re barely even aware of.
so after mike jumps off the cliff, it is the sheer strength of The Emotion, which he knows is connected to will, that ends up keeping him in this world. but though mike comes to think that The Emotion is not monstrous— how can it be, after it’s just saved him?— he still hasn’t really put any work towards understanding what it actually means.
so season 1 is sort of…everyone’s collective homophobia arc, in a way. they all either come to understand the situation of will and other people like him, come to accept queerness itself, or a slight mix of both depending on where their starting point was. as i said before, that second option is largely fulfilled by our party; as will’s closest friends, they will defend him from anything and anyone trying to hurt him regardless, but that doesn’t mean they fully understand what queerness actually looks like. to complete this arc, they’re each given a moment of acceptance or reconciliation with el: lucas shows up when he knows he needs to and gets an apology scene, dustin’s is at the cliff (he hugs mike And el, because a rare, novelty oddity doesn’t need to be comforted but a real person with feelings does), and mike’s is half the cliff, and half a very infamous scene that comes later— as there’s something about all of this that mike still hasn’t quite gotten.
because mike sits with el in that cafeteria, and happily tells her that once they get will back, she’d obviously not have any reason to hide anymore. will would be back, and so The Emotion I Felt When Will Left wouldn’t need to be kept so close to his chest anymore, and he can tell everyone about it and they can all laugh and have fun because isn’t it awesome? look what it let him do!
there’s a very key piece of information missing from this plan. and a very key thing mike hasn’t yet understood nor accepted about just what that Emotion might be.
then, he even kisses el! look, there’s The Emotion! and he just interacted with it! that’s what that means, isn’t it?
only…that kiss didn’t feel like he thought it would. by the look on his face, he seems confused; he swears he liked her. is something missing?
he’s immediately given at least part of an answer.
naive, 12 year-old michael wheeler is suddenly smacked in the face with the reminder that though hopper and his friends have all cleared their homophobia arcs, and though he may have seen the good The Emotion can bring, the same cannot always be said for the rest of the world.
el is hunted down and persecuted right in front of his eyes, and the only way for the danger they’re in to stop is if she removes herself from him and his friends entirely. mike’s queerness— and The Emotion— bids him goodbye, as they’ve both learned that she cannot exist in his life without endangering him.
only…el hasn’t disappeared completely. in fact, her situation at the end of the season looks awfully similar to will’s at the start, doesn’t it? someone disintegrating in front of your eyes isn’t really a sign that they’re still alive, and just now in another dimension. to most characters, this is an indication that queerness simply doesn’t get to exist within hawkins. will was an isolated incident; there’s no way, if this is what the reaction is, that an actual queer person could continue to live alongside them unnoticed. because the party never really saw the upside down, and joyce’s understanding was largely in relation to her son, specifically.
hopper and mike are the only two characters (minus the people hunting her down) that think el is still out there, somewhere. the person who’s already come to understand that terrible suffering can and does happen to children due to things entirely out of their control, revealed the pieces of el’s existence himself, and fully saw the upside down for exactly what it was (so to everyone who thought they could’ve done a homophobia arc through hopper, they’ve had one the entire time! this is it!), and the person who can very easily attest to, though he may not fully realize it, the continued presence of queer people in hawkins.
temporarily losing will brought the inexplicable, undeniable existence of mike’s own queerness, of The Emotion, of his emotions directly to his face, and that is not a realization that can be shoved away or fully disappear from existence entirely.
…and all of that, is just season one.
season two is, i feel, much more outright about its metaphor than season one is.
because did you know that ronald reagan happened to win re-election on november 6th, 1984?
something terribly familiar is coming towards hawkins, and will can feel its looming, imminent presence with every prickle on the back of his neck.
because though he may have physically left this other dimension, pulled out of it and into the arms of the mother that loves him, that says nothing about how he’ll feel while out in the rest of the world, and he ends up feeling like he’s been placed right back inside of it at the drop of a hat.
it isn’t helped that everyone at school looks at him like he’s something wrong. a gross, creepy monster, who will only spread his infection to them if they get too close.
and remember— even to most of will’s friends and family, queerness is gone. no wonder he feels like he barely ever left the closet at all.
and it certainly doesn’t help that he’s sick with an illness not even his doctors seem to understand.
i don’t think i need to pull out an entire powerpoint presentation in order to convey the idea that season 2 is about the AIDS crisis (though doing so would allow me to point out that all of will’s explicitly mentioned symptoms also happen to be ones associated with AIDS. funny, that). once again, though our supernatural force is directly linked to queerness, it’s specifically linked to a hidden struggle queer people face, and the danger and harm that then comes once that goes ignored.
‘a hidden struggle and the harm that comes when that is ignored’ is the name of the game for a lot of people this season, and as the AIDS crisis is the sort of frontrunner of this whole thing, everything that falls in behind it more or less becomes queer-flavored by association.
think nancy, steve, jonathan, and barb’s parents; nancy is tired of the way she and steve are more or less stringing these people along towards an inevitable truth that will only grow harder to process the more it is delayed. and her choosing of jonathan over steve, though heterosexual both ways, is absolutely the option most people would deem as the ‘wrong’ one.
or, take billy; a foil of will, whose ostracization (in a different font, but still, those girls aren’t ogling him because they want to sit down and talk about his personality) and lack of anyone willing to be close to him in a genuine way means that the abuse he suffers at the hands of his father is thrown back at the people around him. this is a will without a mike, essentially, which does make billy at the very least metaphorically gay (and he isn’t the only character who will be).
and hopper is literally keeping queerness hidden away in the woods, and ignoring the way this is emotionally causing her harm!
(also, this is slightly outside of this theme, but i will say: i know everyone hates dustin’s plotline this season, but i do think that this is the s2 equivalent of what s1 was trying to say with hopper, more or less. let me put it this way— in season 1 the demogorgons are the vicious monsters that hunt down people who find themselves in the closet. in season 2, we are introduced to their slightly smaller counterparts, who dustin likens to ‘dogs.’ a ‘dog’ cannot help the way it was trained, or raised, and is just following what it has been taught to do.
so even if something (or someone) you once thought was cute and sweet grows into a monster you’ve seen a million times before, hope is not lost at never reaching any kind of reconciliation or understanding ever again. you don’t have to become its bestest, closest friend, but dustin’s relationship with dart does end up resurfacing, in the end.
(and he does all of this whilst simultaneously forming an unlikely friendship with WHICH thematically relevant character, again?)
yes, even the demodog plot, of all things, is gay. they truly do leave not a single stone unturned.)
so, what is mike up to this season?
well, when he isn’t being a source of grounding and reassurance for will, or being jealous that will appears to like max a lot, he spends a lot of time trying to get into contact with el.
mike wants to know that el is alive, and safe. subtextually— especially with the addition of our metaphorical AIDS crisis and looming second reagan term— mike wants to be assured that, despite what the men in suits tried to tell him, the existence of The Emotion in his life is not dangerous. that he’d be allowed to have her around without people demanding she be permanently shut away.
mike watched el have to hide the second those guys suspected she was there— he wants the reassurance that this doesn’t have to be the case! that he could shout all about The Emotion up to the rooftops in the way that he’d wanted to at the end of season one, and not be told that he was wrong for doing so.
he wants to know that The Emotion is actually there, because he still feels like it is, but— that doesn’t make any sense, right? this is The Emotion I Felt When Will Left. but will is here, now, so what does that mean? why does he sometimes, all of a sudden, feel like he’s right back in season one?
does this…sound familiar, at all?
on halloween night, mike and will have a conversation where will tells him that, though he’s back and everything is supposed to be normal, he feels as if he’s simultaneously still stuck in the upside down.
will has left the closet, but it doesn’t take very much to make him end up right back in there again.
the problem mike thought caused The Emotion has been resolved, and thus it isn’t supposed to be around anymore, but he feels that it is anyway.
crazy together, huh?
an interesting thing about this conversation is that will asks mike to not tell the others about it, because they wouldn’t understand— implying that he thinks mike does.
but what is mike’s reply?
”…eleven would.”
not saying he won’t tell. not affirming will’s assessment of him. even though he goes on to elaborate on what he means by this and how it relates to him, he still does not come right out and say that he would understand.
textually, mike still has two ways he could respond to this, here. he could say “i still feel like how i did when you were gone even though you’re right in front of me,” and this would carry largely the same meaning, but he chooses to go with the example that is Not directly related to him.
(though subtextually, there is zero difference between the two.)
mike does this a lot; rely heavily on el whenever she appears to take his mind off of or avoid having to think about whatever he’s currently dealing with, and this is in both a textual and subtextual way. our boy is so repressed, he figured out how to use the same defense mechanism both literally and metaphorically!
the biggest example of this comes at the end of the season, so i’ll get to that later.
for now, let’s take a look at that reunion scene— the moment queerness officially makes her reappearance to our crew.
i think the reaction mike has to seeing The Emotion again is an interesting thing to zero in on— textually, mike is obviously relieved to know that his friend is alright, and that they can finally be reunited!
subtextually, though, this is mike staring The Emotion in the face, and…looking relieved to see it reappear. so, again, i don’t think this is him fully clocking what The Emotion actually is, despite the scene its reappearance follows. now, his queerness took one look at the shed scene and came in swinging through the door with a steel chair, but that isn’t what mike is thinking about.
since el bursts in just in time to save them from danger, this is mike being thrilled at the proof that the men in suits were wrong. The Emotion isn’t dangerous, or bad, because el has once again done exactly what she did at the cliff— and this time, in front of everyone! it’s a bit of what he’d wanted back in the cafeteria; other people are now able to see all that The Emotion can do. this is his proof that he actually can and should be able to keep it around.
and then, we get to the snow ball.
mike tells will to go dance with someone, immediately regrets it, and— oh, hey, there’s The Emotion, right on time! funny, how that works. but look, he’s up and dancing with it! he’s dealing with it, isn’t he? sure, he isn’t really thinking about how he felt once he was alone, nor why he may have felt that way, but he can confidently say that he does like The Emotion.
does this mean that he now understands the truth of what it is?
…no, of course not. this is mike we’re talking about.
onwards and upwards.
part two will be linked here once it’s been posted. thank you for reading!
things i would change about season 5 to stop the mass psychosis of conformitygate that was january 2026:
- ABOLISH the camazotz plotline, it should have remained a mystery where holly was taken and we could have got the season 1 mysterious feeling back, now we can just see everywhere and there is literally no eeriness
- APOCALYPSE APOCALYPSE APOCALYPSE APOCALYPSE, the upside down literally merged with hawkins at the end of s4, how the fuck did the military just plaster it all up with steel, no seriously, at least TELL US HOW
- ABOLISH the netlix lighting, it looks so artificial, might work for modern dramas but for a show set in the 80s, it completely loses its retro vibe, it feels like we're in a colleen hoover book or something
- give me something PSYCHOLOGICAL with the characters, we should have had a continuation of that season 4 "we can't believe our own eyes anymore" because the final battle being entirely physical fighting is insane to me, SOMEONE needed to get vecna'd in the final battle
- give us more perspective into the character you are literally taking on the perspecive of, yes we had will coming to terms with being gay, but they didn't show us the visions he was given, or much of his actual thoughts at all except from shame, which was all very vague
- let joyce give will some SPACE, i understand why she is so protective over him because of all the trauma around losing him, but i thought her arc was supposed to be about getting over that, and not being so dependent on him, especially when will is begging her for some autonomy, let them have a healthy mother son relationship that's not so codependent, and seriously GIVE JONATHAN A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS MOTHER
- give the TOWNSPEOPLE some sort of role PLEASE, it all felt so empty, maybe i'm crazy but if all this was happening in my town, i'd be RIOTING, like we had the rumours and grieving will in s1, the whole "zombie boy" thing in s2, the pool and nancy's interviews and the school in s3, and them worrying about the murders and hunting down eddie in s4, but NOTHING in s5, took the heart out of hawkins
- and if they weren't going to make byler happen, GIVE WILL A PROPER LOVE INTEREST, could have easily introduced a guy at the start of s5, and still given the relationship time to develop, honestly if it's not mike it's fine but give him REQUITED LOVE and let him get over mike then
- and let mike tell el he loves her, and actually MEAN IT if he's not a repressed homosexual (they seriously need to give us proof it's not canon)
- the mind flayer did NOT need to look like that, it wasn't scary because it was literally in broad sunlight right where we can see it and being fully visible takes away the eeriness of it when it didn't have a full form, just because you have the money and the technology to go big, does NOT mean you have to go big, yeah it looks cool but it DOESN'T FIT
- give mike wheeler his woke loser punk science nerd dnd personality back, or if you're going to change him GIVE HIM A PERSONALITY
- if you're going to give will a connection to vecna, maybe MAKE HIM FEEL SOMETHING WHEN VECNA FUCKING DIES why was he just stood there like that one emoji
- do NOT reduce nancy wheeler to "girl who can use gun" and "centre of love triangle"
- KILL SOMEONE seriously like canonically they're dead and not just "maybe dead" like actually KILL SOMEONE OFF, because you can't give every character the development and screen time they need if you have such a big cast it could literally be an army (but do NOT bring a character back just to kill her, literally NO POINT)
- give el her personality back seriously and LET HER BOND WITH MAX or at least be around her or REACT when she wakes up, that is literally her best friend what are you doing
- if you say you're going to "answer all the questions" and make a big deal about a certain lock moving in season one, maybe EXPLAIN and actually ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, like maybe how did el recognise will and why did the dial change colour and WHAT are those particles (do not start me on the plotholes)
- if things "happened off screen" you're supposed to show us or tell us IN THE SHOW that it happened off screen, we shouldn't have to watch interviews to explain the literal plot, OR A PLAY THAT WE CAN'T WATCH ONLINE AND THAT ONLY SHOWS IN NEW YORK AND LONDON
- GIVE VICKIE BACK WHY ARE THERE PLOT HOLES IN THE EPILOGUE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS POSSIBLE
How I would've written season 5:
apocalyptic Hawkins. There's fog everywhere, the upside down is leaking, there's demogorgons crossing the streets, everyone's struggling to get food, water is dirty (IS SINK WATER SAFE TO DRINK IN THE US? PLEASE TELL ME), lights are always flickering, maybe it's not even safe to breathe and the town is basically abandoned.
The military will be completely scrapped, they did nothing apart from making Jane commit.
the abyss doesn't exist. The upside down was just fine on it's own, there was no need for another plot line.
I might still have rovickie being together from the beginning, but there'll be some flashbacks of them getting together. If not, they'll get together in episode 1 or 2.
They'll also have more scenes together! And yes, I Think We're Alone Now WILL play over a montage of them (and maybe one or two shots of byler having tension while the song is fading out).
Jonathan and Joyce will NOT be sidelined.
Holly will still be taking, but we don't see anything from her pov, we can only imagine what happened to her. Also she gets taken to the upside down, not the abyss.
Ted's not surviving the massacre. Sorry, not sorry.
Max will wake up in episode 3 or 4, and the music (and happy memories with ALL the party members, not just Lucas) does bring her back because that's actually a cool concept.
Mike is targeted by Vecna for his internalised homophobia and just trauma. Sorry Nancy but you're gonna go through a lot.
Speaking of that, apart from Will, Lucas is the one who's constantly with Mike and really worried for him. He's not losing another loved one to Vecna and he derserves to be more than Max' boyfriend.
Robin will still mentor Will, but instead of having Tammy haunting the narrative, she'll just say she used to have a crush on someone, and she'll also freaking mention that Vickie used to have a boyfriend😭
Lucas is mentoring Mike. Mike also has a conversation with Vickie at some point.
Mike and Nancy will be more than just a prize to win in a love triangle.
my man Steve will also be more than a love interest.
no, and I mean no, new characters. The town's abandoned anyways, so there's literally no one else.
The og party is together the entire season. I can't believe they were seperated again.
Jane and Mike are either broken up from the start or break up in episode 1. But they're still really close for the rest of the season and I will honestly keep most of their moments except for the void scene obv and Mike telling her to "recharge her battery and try again"... (the "what painting" also happens during the cabin talk)
We also have WAY more bonding moments between the Byers and Hopper and Jane.
There'll be jonmike and nancewill bonding moments. ImagineasceneofWillandNancyshootingtogetherandthenMikecomesandWillteacheshimhowtouseagunanditsreallytenderandromanticandNancyprobablyclocksthemandgivesJonathanaknowinglook.
Jane and Will will be a team, and they'll have a conversation about Wills powers.
LOTS of elmax moments. They'll have THE most emotional reunion to the point where the ga notice how important Jane is to Max.
byler will have a s4-lumax-s2-byler-dynamic.
byler WILL kiss in the rain after a painting fight and Heroes WILL play in the background. They'll also have 2-3 kisses in total, personally I imagine they have their first kiss, one before the final battle, and one in the epilogue.
now we're talking byler: paintinggate, lettergate, phonegate and flickergate WILL be adressed.
Will comes out to Joyce and Jonathan with Mike eavesdropping. I imagine it being in episode 5 or 6.
plot holes WILL be resolved, we'll find out why the upside down is frozen in time, who unlocked the door, why Will was taken etc.
the final battle consists of Will and Jane in Vecnas mind and the rest are fighting monsters.
the final battle will also be LONG, and no it's not boring if you do it right (shoutout to lotr).
characters WILL get wounded, and I'm talking permanent scars and maybe even losing body parts. Sorry Max, but you're gonna be in a wheelchair and be blind.
Someone is dying and no, it's not gonna be ambigious whether they did or not. I'm not sure who, but someone WILL die.
Jane is surviving and she gets to be a normal girls and spend time with her family and friends, and henderhop might happen...
speaking of that, Janes arc WILL be about her independence and breaking free from the men in her life.
the epilogue is not gonna be 40 minutes, a well written season doesn't need nostalgiabait. It be 15-20 minutes and will probably just be the party playing d&d and some glimpses of the established couples, families and elmax:)
also the epilogue will probably take place a few months after not 18 months, everything won't be perfect, they'll just slowly be recovering, maybe talking about leaving Hawkins?
Robin and Vickie WILL get their date!
Problematic writing choices of the Duffers:
This post will be focusing on problematic tropes (more so than the many plot holes).Prior to this, I thought some of these writing choices were intentional subtext and symbolism for a greater plot point (and that these tropes would later be subverted) . This wasn't the case. I'm mentioning these tropes now: for people to grasp why we shouldn't reward the Duffers in their future projects. And how normalizing these tropes (in main stream shows) will negatively impact future story telling for the worse.
Fridging trope: El embodies this as her death is used as a catalyst for various male character's development in the finale. The Duffers saying El was never going to be with the gang in the end , because she "represents the magic of childhood" for the boys is just sad. Because yes-characters can represent something, but writers need to understand they're MORE than just a symbol of something (they're also a person/character in the narrative). The fact she also represents the magic of childhood of all things is awfully portrayed since Jane herself never even had a real childhood - and because of the writers , she's also deprived of an adulthood .
In s5, bringing back Kali (one of the only brown girls in the show) to essentially just make her suffer and die. They brought her back: k*lled her found family , had her tortured by the gov again, and then she's shot by the gov. God forbid, a brown girl shoots her white oppressors (the writers have to k*ll her the same way she offed her abusers). Kali targeting her ab*sers was portrayed as morally questionable/nuanced in the show. But white Jim & Nancy mowing down random soldiers with bullets, or El killing a bunch of American/soviet soldiers was just to make them look 'bad ass'. The audience never has to question their morality for doing so- only Kali's. If you believe's mike's theory: that would mean they just used Kali to save and give the white heroine a happy ending (which is gross optics in and of itself).
If you believe that El died along with Kali (this is also problematic). They couldn't let El/Kali : the victims of government oppression and abuse get a "happy ending" . In fact both die due to the government ...what an uplifting message during these fraught political times. Remember Hopper’s speech where the whole point was Kali/El shouldn’t have to off themselves since they deserve a happy ending (despite life being unfair to them constantly)? What was the point? Idk , if you don't die , off yourself if life has been cruel.Killing El / kali to stop the "cycle " isn’t empowering at all. It’s a harmful message to ab*se survivors!!!

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me: tell me you hate women without telling me you hate women
the suffer brothers: yeah so we introduced this plot point of having a bunch of pregnant ladies being held captive and poisoned. and then not a single character suggested checking if they were alive before they exploded the plane of existance where they were. also we killed one of the only two poc women we had, our main girl might be dead, we didnt let our main girl have a proper reunion with her bestie, our other poc woman was treated as a sassy one-liner, our main girl never got to break free from the control of men and instead committed suicide and we broke up our lesbian couple who got together off screen
me: 😀
the suffer brothers: wtf is a bechdel test?
the fact that you can still analyse the whole show and all the subtext Still makes sense. that they added to said subtext IN THE FINALE.
it now really just looks like mike is a closeted gay man who lost the love of his life because he couldn't find the courage to live authentically. like that is wild to me that the show's subtext is still SO CONSISTENT. like. how do you do that by accident???