“People Just Don’t Care”: ‘Leaving Neverland’ Director on Why Michael Jackson Won the Court of Public Opinion
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“People Just Don’t Care”: ‘Leaving Neverland’ Director on Why Michael Jackson Won the Court of Public Opinion

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o2jT9i_yJI46mRpHqawt2Ej7Zjs0xBMTszTNof_8SvM/edit?tab=t.0
The myth of a transgender Stonewall.
(Bay Area Reporter, 7 March 2002)
by Dale Carpenter
The recent death of Sylvia Rivera, an activist drag queen who threw quarters at the police during the Stonewall riot, has prompted much guilt-laden commentary about how the gay civil rights movement has pushed aside "the people who started it all." The commentary is wrong as a matter of history and unsupported as a matter of policy.
Here is the standard story: "On the night of June 28, 1969, the New York City police raided the Stonewall Inn, a bar that included a mix of drag queens and lesbians. Led by the drag queens, the patrons fought back, igniting the gay civil rights movement. Yet the new movement soon became overly image-conscious and pushed these brave heroes to the back of the bus. It's high time we repay our debt by fully including transgender issues in gay causes, including proposed legislation."
This fictionalized account of Stonewall and its aftermath has been repeated so many times by gay and transgender activists it now goes almost unquestioned.
Typical ol the genre is a recent Village Voice column by Riki Wilchins, executive director of GenderPAC. Wilchins describes the Stonewall Inn in 1969 as a "sanctuary" for "gender queers," who were "unwelcome at the city's tonier gay bars."
Wilchins asserts Rivera "helped [give] birth" to the gay movement at Stonewall. Similarly, in his book The Gay Metropolis, Charles Kaiser says Stonewall was "sparked by drag queens." Despite these contributions, transgender causes are now excluded from the movement because, as Wilchins puts it, gay organizations are "determined to project an image of normalcy."
This is politics-by-guilt-trip, and it has been undeniably effective in redirecting many gay groups' priorities. The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force has even withdrawn its support of the only federal legislation that would prohibit anti-gay employment discrimination because the bill does not include "gender identity" within its protections.
The standard tale is error piled on error. First, it exaggerates the undeniable importance of Stonewall as a catalytic event. As the careful work of numerous historians has demonstrated, there was an active gay civil rights effort under way long before Stonewall. Gay activists had organized the Mattachine Society in Los Angeles in 1950, and in other cities later; had supported openly gay candidates for public office; had fought the closing of gay bars; had founded a national magazine, the Advocate; had marched in front of the White House for equal rights; and had picketed businesses that discriminated against gays.
Outside of New York, according to Stephen Murray in his book American Gay, gay activists initially paid little attention to Stonewall. Even in New York, a police raid on a bar called the Snake Pit later in the summer of 1969 generated more organizing than Stonewall did. The founding of the Gay Liberation Front followed the Snake Pit raid, not Stonewall.
Only through the annual Pride parade commemorations that began to spread significant-ly in the mid-1970s did Stonewall take on the singular importance in gay history it now enjoys. At the time it happened, however, the event simply did not carry the incredible motivating force we now attach to it.
Second, the centrality of transgenders to Stonewall is exaggerated. It is wrong to characterize the Stonewall Inn as having been a sanctuary fo genderqueers, as Wilchins and others do. Murray writes a "men familiar with the milieu then insist that the Stonewall clientele was middle-class white men and that very few drag queens or dykes or nonwhite were ever allowed admittance"
But don't take Murray's word for it, consider what Sylvia Rivera herself told the historian Eric Marcus for his book, Making History. "The Stonewall wasn't a bar for drag queens. Everybody keeps saying it was. … If you were a drag queen, you could get into the Stonewall if they knew you. And only a certain number of drag queens were al-lowed into the Stonewall at that time."
If Rivera is right, it seems likely the Stonewall patrons who rebelled that June night in 1969 included many (perhaps mostly) middle-class white males. A description of the riot as an uprising of drag queens may be more politically correct, but as history it seems partial. This criticism does not deny that drag queens participated in the riot. It only makes the point that their centrality to the event likely has been exaggerated, probably for ideological reasons.
Finally, these historical disputes have no bearing — either way— on whether "gender identity" ought to be included in gay civil rights legislation. Even if Stonewall was the single casus belli of the gay struggle, and even if transgenders were the only people there kicking shins and uprooting parking meters, so what?
If we learned the Stonewall police had busted up a meeting of gay white racists, instead of drag queens, we wouldn't say that should make us more attentive to the concerns of racists. These matters rise or fall on their own merits, not on the relative role groups played in distant and disputed events.
And speaking of the merits, drafting legislation is an immensely complicated task that involves putting together a coalition of supporters. Gay civil rights legislation would be stalled or effectively killed in many places if transgenders were included. The ones between a more inclusive bill that goes nowhere and a less inclusive bill that actually becomes law.
These are hard realities. We should not feel guilty because we want to make progress, least of all because someone is telling us fairy tales about our past. •
Dale Carpenter is a law professor. He can be reached at [email protected].
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Trans-revisionism and gender loonery has been going on longer than you think. Gay men and lesbians fought for their own rights.
"If you repeat a lie often enough..."
Breasts aren't "ruining" your "aesthetic." Clothing is meant to serve your body, not the other way around. Surgically altering your body for a piece of fabric is fucking insane.
honestly radfems should unironically embrace "facts don't care about your feelings" slogan. it quite literally solves all the problems we are dealing with

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Små saker att glädjas åt: begreppet ”icke-män” verkar ha dött ut
hello friendly reminder that you do not need a special occasion to use nice things! if you wait long enough your nice bath bomb won't be as fizzy! your favourite fruits will go out of season! candles are meant to be burned, not looked at! you're not enjoying your special tea if it's just sitting in your cupboard! you're allowed to have nice and special things on completely ordinary days! heck, it might just make that day special!!
One thing I’ve become a real extremist about is little girl’s clothing and hair styles because if your kid can’t get her hair wet, hang upside down, climb over a fence or run full out in the outfit/hair she is currently wearing then why not? And the answer better be both extremely fucking good and describe something temporary.
Hope you don't mind a story that also made me extremist about this issue.
Took my friends daughter (2.5yrs) to the park. Dressed her in practical clothing that's ok to get stained, brought an extra change of clothing. She sat in the mud at the water bank and played with rocks and mud. A little girl came over, couldn't be more than 3yrs. She was looking longingly at my friend's daughter. She has her hair in a perfect style and she's wearing a pretty dress with white socks and dressy shoes. The parents say "Sweetie don't go into the mud, you'll get your dress dirty" and pull her away, while giving me a judgmental look as they see the kid in my charge covered in mud and throwing rocks into the water. It felt really weird, like we saw eachother as aliens with completely different ideas on how to raise children. When my friends daughter was done playing, changed her into clean clothing and went back home. She had a lot of fun at the park and a day full of nature and play. The other little girl kept her dress clean.
When my daughter was getting close to school age, I remember walking past her future school with my mum and noting that all the little boys were wearing the uniform trousers and all the little girls were wearing skirts. And I mentioned that I hoped the uniform policy allowed for girls to wear trousers. My mum asked why, and I outlined several reasons, including "because kids fall over when they're running and playing, and skinned knees are more likely if she's only allowed to wear skirts."
And my mum said "well, maybe in that case she'd learn to be more careful."
Aaaaand I think my resulting reaction of horror at the idea of forcing 50% of children to play more carefully due to clothing requirements made her realise exactly what she'd just said.
(The uniform policy does indeed allow her to wear trousers. She's now 10 and still prefers them)
And my mum said “well,
maybe in that case she’d learn
to be more careful.”
Beep boop! I look for accidental haiku posts. Sometimes I mess up.
Marie Curie's notebooks are crazy once you think about it. They're so radioactive they have to be sealed in a lead box. Imagine a world where atomic theory is forgotten and a dude just goes "yea there's a book that details the secrets of the universe, the machinations of the creation of existence down to its barest essentials, but if you get close to it you fucking die. The more you read it the more your body slowly disassembles into mush." like wat excuse me
I can’t believe they did that to kali (not true I actually thought they’d probably kill her off but I was hoping I wasn’t right because it sucked)
I never thought will and Mike would get together and I don’t mind because I feel like it’s a true and sad reality of being gay and being in love with your best friend that is very relatable. And I understand from wills pov it’s easier to tell your best friend whom you’re deeply in love with that it’s just a stupid crush. Doesn’t make it the truth. But I was hoping so badly will would get another love at the end. Now my heart breaks just thinking about him coming out right into the aids epidemic.

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techno bros being like "99% of jobs will be replaced by AI" bc they forget, like, real jobs that exist. like janitor. or. baker.
they already peaked with the lighter lighter so. it's all clowns and hardware from here

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some royal jewels were stolen from the louvre which is unfortunate for historical reasons but you gotta appreciate a classic crime. so many crimes are online these days it’s nice to see heist culture is still alive
the type of fit i (a loco person) wanted dumbledore in....