the problem with the idea that we can bully cis men out of toxic masculinity is that toxic masculinity is fundamentally about bullying people seen as men into "proper" behavior. the patriarchy is absolutely in love with casual cruelty and shame as a way of modifying behavior. and whenever i see people trying to use toxic masculinity tactics but for feminist aims it makes me want to bite the walls. oh wow you are telling depressed boys that if they feel bad about themselves its all their fault for being a whiny bitch? are you also selling a $200 get rich quick scheme and sawdust supplements by any chance
#wild to me because I keep seeing people like “oh I should be nice and friendly to someone who's actively trying to kill me then?”#like no there is in fact a middle ground between. checking my notes.#being mean to struggling people. and being personally responsible for struggling people to your own detriment#there are in fact a whole spectrum of middle grounds#“ignoring someone” is in fact an option#but the same people who are like “what do you want me to be personally responsible for a man's transformation?”#will then use bullying tactics and claim the shame will help the men in a transformation?#it sounds like you're still using energy to get involved but you just get mad when people ask you to do it in ways that are effective praxis#you can't have it both ways. either get involved in an effective and humane way or. like. don't get involved LOL!
pulling out these tags because they are great. specifically i think more people need to hear "hating on men is still giving men your energy and you aren't even spending that energy on effective praxis"
people who are sinking a lot of time, effort, and ego into Being Mean To People For Good Reasons get incredibly fucking mad when you tell them that being Nice To People For The Same Reasons accomplishes their stated goals way more effectively.
and then you find out that the Reasons were actually Excuses and being mean was the entire point.
and that now that they know that you know this they're going to try and kill you.



















