i like to think that even after dunk becomes baelors man (i of course mean this is both the romantic and knightly sense) and has all sorts of nice things and doesn't want for anything, he can never shake the growing up poor of it all, and is like so attached to things that are his (that being pre-baelor, bc i imagine he would always feel like anything that he is given could be taken away, even tho baelor is like obsessed with him and would never).
like nothing ever gets thrown out, it gets mended a hundred times and once it can't be fixed it gets used for something else.
and he doesn't want the servants taking care of his stuff, like first off it makes him feel wrong, and second he's like okay but what if they do it wrong or get rid of something they think is trash but it's not trash. just very much anxious about the whole situation.
and everything is so meticulously organized, so he knows where everything is at all times, and he'll just randomly go and check and make sure all his stuff is where it's supposed to be, and doesn't even realize he's doing it.
this could be very cute (or very angsty) in terms of his relationship with baelor who has always had enough.
like dunks favorite tunic has been worn so many times it's hanging on by a thread, and baelor notices and is just casually like oh I'll have some new ones made for you, here give me that one and we'll get rid of it.
and dunk is like....no? it's still a perfectly good shirt, have new ones made if you want but I'm not getting rid of this one
and baleor is like it's literally almost transparent bc it's worn so thin it's time for it to go
and it becomes a whole thing bc baelor just doesn't understand and also bc dunk doesn't really want to explain it bc he knows it's a little silly. but finally he's like okay we can get rid of it.
but instead of like leaving it for the servants to take away, he's got his lil scissors out and is cutting it in to smaller pieces and baelor is like tf are you doing right now?
and dunk is like well it was done being a shirt, but now it can be bandages for thunders legs, or perhaps rags for cleaning, or
and baelor is just like...or trash. it could go in the trash.
and then there has to be another conversation about that
but baelor still doesn't really get it, so he's like I know, I'll make it better by buying him more stuff than he could ever possibly want or need. and it drives him crazy bc he's draining the fucking coffers buying dunk shit and dunk still refuses to get rid of any of his old shit
idk where it goes from there, im just spitballing here
anyways, I think this pairs nicely with the one idea I had where dunk sometimes sleeps on the floor bc the bed is too soft.
brought to you by the fact that yesterday I ripped the boots I've worn for three years, and I will absolutely not in any circumstances be throwing them out even tho they are 100% trash
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reading a historical romance novel and reflecting on the way these stories often present woke nobility for the contemporary reader. a big thing is servants. you canβt not have servants in those times but many modern readers think βbut I would never have servants. it would be so weird to have servantsβ and in order to make the protagonists of the story more relatable they are actually friends with the servants. but flip your perspective and think of it from the side of the servants. wouldnβt it be so awful if your boss was always trying to be friends with you. a really common thing youβll see is the woke baronet having tea in the kitchen with the servants bc heβs not like other baronets. but what if your boss wanted to hang out and talk during your lunch break every day. not so charming when you think about it that way
#okay but now what is the optimal way to be a good boss in this situation i genuinely wanna know#its easy to guess what makes a bad boss or a mid boss. but what is a good boss#specifically in such a highly structured hierarchal situation (via @rainbowroach)
HELLO you are asking questions that literature and poetry THROUGHOUT the middle ages has asked, and it is from this questioning that we derive things like the Codes of Chivalry (which is not "how to treat a noble lady really nice" but is actually "how to be an ethical person when you're rich and you own a horse" and includes such things as "don't run people over with your horse")
In fact I daresay you already know instinctively just from cultural osmosis what a good boss -- a good liege lord -- is and does based on the tropes that have survived to the current day and the kinds of things that get Hugely Praised in things like legends of King Arthur.
A good boss (liege lord) is:
Merciful. He is not having his peasants killed for things like poaching rabbits during a famine. In fact, he is working to mitigate famine. During times of individual hardship, he might negotiate with a peasant for a payment plan on their annual rent.
Patient. He is not impulsive, he does not lose his temper.
Prudent. He makes choices that are thoughtful, considered, conservative (in the sense of not needlessly risky--he's not investing his entire fortune in having everyone plant an unproven crop). He is making sure local infrastructure like roads and public buildings are maintained and kept in good nick.
Gentle. He doesn't haul off and slap a servant or a tenant for breaking a dish or making a mistake. He doesn't abuse animals, his wife or children, or his employees. He doesn't rape the servants.
Generous (both in money and in spirit). He is not extorting the peasants for an amount of rent that is beyond their means, he is not raising taxes every year to cover his own lavish lifestyle. He is paying his servants a living wage (or, if wages are low, he's giving them room/board/clothing to make up the difference). If someone in a tenant's family dies, the lord is sending a gift of condolence, or helping to pay for the funeral, or possibly even ATTENDING the funeral and speaking a few kind words about the deceased, ESPECIALLY if they were a really upstanding and important member of the community. If one of his tenants is gravely sick, the lord is sending a basket of food or paying for a doctor. He is giving charitably (generally this will be, like, a bequest to the church so that they can run a hospital or an orphanage or a school for the local village children).
Pious. This classically means "goes to church, submits with humility to God" but to me this quality is subtextually standing in for "maintaining an ongoing sense of Perspective that HE'S not god, that there are higher powers he is Accountable to, that he too can be Judged, etc, so that he doesn't end up going on a weird fucked up power trip"
Humble. One of the most admiring things you hear about a lord doing in literature and epic poetry is, "He ate off of wooden plates while his followers ate off of gold and silver." Humility isn't about being meek, it's just about not thinking so much of yourself that you turn your nose up and sneer at what "lesser" people do. In other words: Don't be a fucking diva. If your carriage gets stuck in the mud, climb out and help everybody else push, you're not gonna die from getting mud on your shoes.
Condescending. This word has changed wildly in meaning/tone over the last couple centuries -- it's now a rude thing to do (because we've done away with legal social hierarchies, so someone acting like they're lowering themselves to your level IS insulting), but in older times, a high-ranking person "condescending" to a servant was worthy of praise and admiration: it means they were setting aside rank and privilege to speak to them with the easygoing, friendly respect and compassion they'd give a peer. This is things like... Treats those beneath him with courtesy and respect (ie: listens soberly and attentively when one of his servants or tenants comes to complain about a problem). Having a sense of humor and kindness about it when the lord and a servant both come around a corner at the same time and run into each other and the servant gets knocked to the ground and starts babbling apologies--the condescending (positive) lord helps them to their feet with his own hands and cracks a joke to show them that it's ok (as opposed to just walking off without a word or insulting/scolding them). This is also things like trusting a farmer, woodcutter, or artisan to speak with expertise about their own livelihood and taking their advice into consideration if they tell the lord that one of his ideas won't work.
Good boundaries. The ethical liege lord knows that it's normal for the staff to probably be softly bitching about him in private (even with a really good boss, we all grumble from time to time). He's not eavesdropping on them, he's not going into the staff areas where they should reasonably expect to have a degree of privacy, etc.
Righteous and protective of "the weak". The "weak" here doesn't necessarily mean physically weak, this is often used in the sense of someone politically or socially weak, aka The Marginalized -- the poor, the disabled, women, children, the elderly, etc. If a lord sees someone like this being mistreated or abused, he's supposed to step in and put a stop to that.
Committed to reciprocity. In a highly hierarchical system like feudalism, every person (from the lowest peasant all the way up to the crown prince) legally OWES their liege lord certain things (taxes, labor, service, loyalty, etc). A good liege remembers and takes very seriously the idea that this should be a balanced and reciprocal relationship -- in other words, he owes something BACK. Feudalism is modeled very strongly on the family system: If children owe their parents obedience and service, then parents owe their children care and protection. This still applies when the "child" is a farmer and the "parent" is a local baron. Or when the "child" is a duke and the "parent" is the king.
Basically, we get so caught up in the aesthetics of nobility that we forget that it literally is a managerial position that comes with responsibilities that were... very similar back in the day to the same ones we have now. Humans have not changed all that much. At the end of the day, a really good boss in the 1400s versus in one from the 2020s displays most of the same qualities of personality, even if the details of execution are different.
The next question is, of course, "well, but this theoretical liege lord is HIGHLY idealized -- how often did that actually HAPPEN? Wasn't it more likely that everyone was exploited all the time?" and to that I say: Well, maybe. But again, I don't think humans have changed all that much. Just like the bosses of today, there's a SPECTRUM: A really really good boss is rare and precious and one that you tell stories about for years after you've left that job, but a truly, genuinely, homicidally nightmarish boss is also pretty rare. Most bosses are sort of meh -- they have their good moments, they have their shitty moments, but they're tolerable and you can get along with them well enough to do your job, and then you roll your eyes at them behind their back. Generally, humans don't take outright exploitation lying down. Being a bad boss in the historical period is how you get peasant uprisings and revolts, and you know that to be true because your parents raised you with that knowledge, so unless you are very stupid or inbred or an egomaniac, there is literal personal incentive to at minimum be a Tolerable liege lord. And that means hitting at least SOME of the above bullet points.
TL;DR: In the words of Honore de Balzac, "Everything I have just told you can be summarized by an old word: noblesse oblige!"
(for more discussions of the ethics of fealty and what it means to be a good boss when you are an exquisitely beautiful twink of a prince with a hot beefy bodyguard.... [fingerguns] read A Taste of Gold and Iron)
okay one more little thing, in two pieces bc I haven't figured out how to put them together yet.
and if you don't want to go full horse girl with me, just sit this one out bc it's really for an audience of one, and that one is me
bc here's the thing, I think most knights probs would've had some sort of double bridle set up, or like at least a pelham
and you're going to have two sets of reins with that arrangement
but you have to hold a lance/sword/mace whatever
so you've got to have four reins in one hand
but you'd really only need that for a warhorse, like ur average everyday horse could just have a snaffle. so if you've been riding around on old chestnut, you probs haven't practiced a ton with a proper set up, especially if you were squiring for a poor hedge knight who only had one destrier.
so it sure would be a shame if you got taken into a service with a noble house and kind of sucked at riding in a military sense. and then a kind prince had to help you.
and if that kind prince had sexy hands, well you're just trying to figure out the right way to hold the reins okay
while I was trying to figure out exactly how one would hold four reins in one hand I stumbled across The Royal Book of Jousting, Horsemanship, and Knightly Combat (happy to share a link if anyone thinks they might like to read), and it has a section on fighting on horseback without weapons.
naturally, I have to combine all these things in my head
anyways that's the premise
pt i
βYou are holding your reins wrong,β
Dunk startled, he hadn't noticed Baelor riding over to him. He looked at his reins, tangled in his fist, his grip like that of a smith on a hammer. The prince's reins, in contrast, were neatly threaded through his fingers.
βI do not mean this moment, although you should be in the habit of holding them properly even at rest. When you are riding you hold your curb rein where the snaffle should be. It is why your mount gets offended by the bridle, you employ the curb rein too much.β
Dunk's eyes darted around, looking to see if anyone else was close enough to hear. People already thought he was stupid, and now he was needing correcting on the basics of riding. Baelor had said it quietly though, and his tone was casual, anyone watching the conversation might think they were merely chatting. Still, Dunk hastily tried to rearrange his reins, sneaking another glance at Baelor's hand to see how he was doing it. Ser Arlan had taught him how to ride well enough, but it had mostly been on Sweetfoot, who was no warhorse. On the odd occasion he was allowed to practice on Thunder, Dunk had been more concerned with keeping his seat than how he held the reins, or any other trivial details. They are not trivial here, Dunk thought, as he looked around the training yard he saw that all the other men rode just as neatly as Baelor. Heat flooded his face, not for the first time he felt big and oafish and stupid. All these men were castle-trained by masters at arms; had been riding destriers since they were old enough to sit a horse, practicing military maneuvers and tilting at rings, not plodding along the countryside on some old stot like Dunk had. One rein slipped from his fingers entirely, and he fought the urge to curse.
Baelor gave his mare a small nudge with his spur and moved her closer to Thunder. She was an ill tempered animal, and pinned her ears flat against her skull when Thunder quirked an ear at her. βOh stop that,β Baelor muttered, he was close enough now that his stirrup bumped against Dunk's with a metallic clank. βLike this,β to Dunk's surprise Baelor dropped his own reins, leaned over, and took his. Like he was controlling a puppet rather than a man, Baelor placed the reins in Dunk's hand properly, and squeezed Dunk's grip closed when he was finished.
pt ii
Dunk could feel Thunderβs flanks heaving underneath him when he pulled the destrier up. The horse was well lathered, sweat turning to foam where the reins touched his neck. Dunk himself was not much better off; he thought he might be sweating even more than Thunder, judging by the way his clothes clung wetly to him beneath his armor. Ser Leo Rosby - the master at arms at Summerhall- had been working the men, and their horses, hard today. They fought with neither sword nor lance, their only goal was to wrestle an opponent off their horse, and throw them to the ground. Most of the other men rode better than Dunk, and had finer mounts besides, but so far his size, and Thunder's, had been to his benefit; Thunder was not easily bullied by the jostling of the smaller horses, and even when his opponents could get their hands on Dunk, none had strength enough to throw him. He had lost count of the challengers he had faced, Ser Leo throwing man after man at him, but Dunk remained ahorse. It was no true victory though, as Ser Leo did not hesitate to remind him.
βYou are lucky you are so big, Lunk,β Ser Leo said. Dunk did not know how the nickname has resurfaced here, but it was not said fondly, the way Ser Alran had once used it, βOtherwise any man here would have thrown you thrice over by now.β
His last opponent, Ser Addam Harte, one of Prince Maekarβs household guard, was back on his feet now, knocking dust off of his armor. He shot Dunk a look of intense loathing, and stalked off to retrieve his horse from his squire.
To Dunk's relief, Ser Leo had seen enough of him, and called forward two other men who spurred their horses into action as Dunk rode off to wait his next turn.
It was true, what Ser Leo had said, in each bout he had been out manoeuvered, his opponents dancing around him, seemingly able to control their mounts by thought alone. Thunder, though old and experienced, did not seem to obey Dunk like he had Ser Arlan, and Dunk felt half the time like he was fighting his own horse as much as he was the other men.
Egg hurried over, leaving the pack of squires that were watching, and thrust a waterskin at him. Dunk took it gratefully, raised his visor, and drank deeply.
βTake your helm off Ser,β Egg advised, βYou'll faint from the heat.β
βI'm not some lady,β Dunk said, yanking off his helm and handing it to Egg, βI won't faint.β It would have been more convincing if he hadn't had to pause mid sentence to suck in several deep breaths, relieved to finally have fresh air.
Egg looked at him dubiously, βWell if you do, try and get off Thunder first. Youβve managed to stay on this long, it would be embarrassing to fall off now.β
βIβve embarrassed myself plenty already.β Across the yard, the other men were laughing at something Ser Addam said, all of them looking at Dunk.
βIgnore them Ser,β Egg said, shooting Ser Addam a foul look, βYou're doing well, really. Ser Leo is stupid too, he always told me I was too small to make a proper knight.β
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(just a few words from the beginning, don't get too excited)
The world was rocking back and forth around him as he slowly blinked his eyes open. It felt as though he were at sea, or perhaps incredibly drunk. He blinked a few more times, and a forest took shape around him, oddly hazy around the edges, and swirling about in a strange motion. I must be drunk, Baelor thought. It made little sense; he had not been so drunk as this in many years. Had there been some occasional? A wedding, or maybe a tourney? But then why was he in a forest? He tried to lift his head to get a better look at his surroundings, groaning weakly with the effort, but could not manage, and lolled his head pathetically to the side instead. From this new angle, he could discern the makings of a camp. A fire, burnt down to the last coals, a bed roll, the legs of a horse, hobbled, and perhaps a mule, he could not tell, and could not tilt his head up enough to see the whole beast. It was hard to focus on one thing in any case, all of it swimming together in a sickening mirage. He screwed his eyes shut as a wave of nausea rolled over him, and swallowed down a mouthful of bile threatening to make an appearance. That battle was lost quickly, he only had time to think sit up, sit up or you'll choke and die, before he was vomiting. In his weakened state, he hadn't sat up, or moved at all, and was now lying in his own sick. Disgusting though it was, he hardly noticed. The effort of vomiting left him with a pounding pain in his head, and the tilting of the world grew stronger, like the off balance feeling right before you fell from a horse. The last hysterical thought he managed before he passed out alone, not knowing where he was, in a puddle of his own vomit, was I wonder if this is what it feels like to be Daeron.
When he woke again, the world was blessedly still, he kept his eyes closed, in case regaining his sight would send it spinning once more. The drunk feeling was gone, in its place a bone deep pain as if he had been struck a blow by the warrior himself. Everything ached, and Baelor had some idea that if he tried to move he would find himself unable. It occurred to him that his previous feeling had not been drunkenness; now that he felt the pain in its absence he realized someone had given him milk of the poppy. A maester perhaps. But what sort of maester would be treating him in a camp out in the woods? Even if there had been a battle, the kingsguard would have dragged him back to safety, not left him alone in a forest. A battle. The thought brought fragments of memories to his mind. A charge, being unable to break the enemies formation, being routed. Rallying his men, riding back into the field. His mare clipping heels with another horse. Stumbling, falling. A thousand other horses thundering around them. Looking up and seeing the falling body of his horse tumble towards him. Scrambling to get out of the way. Not in time. And then nothing, until his first waking.
Baelor tried to take stock of his injuries. Wiggled his toes, flexed his fingers. Good, then he hadn't managed to paralyze himself. That was where the good ended. Breathing was intensely painful, a deep breath impossible. Broken ribs most like. When he tried to lift his head, it was like lightning bolts shooting down his neck. He let his head fall back to the ground with a light thump, and groaned at the impact. Something nudged at his ribs, causing another sharp burst of pain. A boot he realized. Someone was here. He opened his eyes, flinching at the sudden brightness. Above him stood the largest man Baelor had ever seen, easily six and a half feet tall, perhaps larger. The man was dressed plainly, roughspun breeches and a simple brown tunic. He had reddish blonde hair that was tied back from his heavily bearded face, and his eyes were a startling bright blue. There was something familiar about him, but Baelor could not place it. He was not one of Baelor's own men, he was sure, but perhaps a hedge knight that had ridden along with some lesser lord.
βAre you properly awake this time,β the man said, prodding Baelor with his boot again, not at all gently. His voice was vaguely irritated, as if Baelor had wasted his time by falsely waking before this. Baelor could only remember the once, but perhaps there were others.
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was going to google if its okay to pour jello mix down the drain but then I remembered that when you live in an overpriced apartment complex anything can go down the drain if you aren't a coward
asking my lady if i've been a good knight despite falling off my horse twice during the tournament (my armor is covered in mud and i look fucking stupid)
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i was literally working on this when I got the notification, so I'll go with this one but trust and believe there are approximately a million other wips as well lol
and I'll even drop my inspo playlist for this one just for funsies, don't judge it only needs to make sense to me