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I do think people really whittle down Simon's relationship with Eden either by making him a total believer or a total nonbeliever.
Simon didnβt choose Eden but none of us choose our homeland. It is his great trauma and great comfort. His tattoo is a scar but when he sees it carved into the ship, sees proof that one of his people lived and died there, he stops to stare. The comfort of rhe pendant; he doesn't hesitate to wear it. When it breaks, it's both his fracturing mental state and his fractured belief. He prays to the same mother who put a knife in his hands. One day the people on Mars's space station turred around and their home was gone and they spent the rest of their lives trying to find some kind of meaning in the lack. How many parents do you think sent their children to war because they wanted them to die fighting for something instead of by starving? How Simon fought his brothers because he wanted to live and they didn't?
is it possible to tell approximately how long simon was in jail, based on the handcuff scars
They are not scars. Looks like dirt or possibly discoloration from rubbing against old metal. The cuffs were too tight. Definitely bruised.
Therefore, we cannot tell how long Simon's been "working" for the COI as a captive for sure. But, I can infer that these are visually symbolic of Simon being held captive for a hot minute. They would not have gone through the trouble of adding these marks if they meant nothing.
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Please keep interacting with this post because when I come to tumblr to procrastinate, this shows up again in my notifications and guilts me into writing again
(Been sitting on this one for about a week trying to find a solution with the variables available to me, and failing!)
At timestamp 00:31:49, the manual's radiation warning regarding the SM-13's x ray camera is on screen:
From the manual: "Upon activation, the camera discharges 7,400 millisieverts of radiation per ignition."
That's 7,400 millisieverts of radiation at the point of ignition. The fun thing about radiation is that it follows the inverse square law; double the distance from the source and the dosage received is quartered. So if Jack got the full 7,400 millisieverts (he didn't, there was at least some distance between him and the point of ignition so the dosage he received was probably slightly less than the full 7,400. But for now, I'm going to fudge it and say that he did to avoid the headache) then what dosage did Ava and David receive?
First have to figure out how far away Ava and David were from the camera. The only "definitive" point of reference that I have is David's/Troy Baker's height, which is 6'3"~ or 190.5 cm for my own sanity.
My first instinct would be to do a height/distance calculation by taking that 190.5 cm and dividing by the tangent of the angle from the camera to the top of David's head, however I don't have enough information to get that angle. I've been toying around with a few other ways to calculate the distance, but I'm usually missing at least one necessary variable.
Not giving up just yet, just taking a moment to bang my head against the wall.
Notably, if we establish that Jack was about 0.1 meters away from the camera and got hit with that full 7400 mSv, then if Ava and David were standing just 1 meter away from the camera, they'd only have gotten hit with about 74 mSv of radiation. That's about... 11-12 chest CT scans at once. For reference, your risk for cancer raises about 5.5% upon receiving a dosage of 1000 mSv.
So I guess for now the answer to the question of "just how irradiated did Ava and David get" is: not that much, actually?
logging onto tumblr like heyyy i'm thinking about the same character i've spent the past few weeks thinking about. no change here. just wanted to let yall know
βMy son, those stars are already dead. Mere ghost light.β
Okay. So. Long post so most of this will be under a cut (Iβm not completely cruel), but I wanna talk about this, because itβs something that I frequently see people get wrong about the Iron Lung universe, and like Iβve said before, space is the one thing that will forever put me in βUHM ACKSHULLY βοΈπ€β mode, so thatβs what Iβm about to do. And you all have to listen or Iβm going to be very upset.
THE STARS ARE NOT βGONEβ FROM THE NIGHT SKY IN IRON LUNG.
Yes, I hear what youβre all gonna say - βbut Sammy, thatβs LITERALLY the main plot point! The opening line in the movie is βthe stars are goneβ, what are you talking about?β Please allow me to explain, because for this to actually make sense, yβall need to understand just how unfathomably big space is.
The closest star to Earth is, obviously, the sun. The sun is approximately 8 light-minutes from Earth, meaning that it takes the sunβs light just over 8 minutes to reach us. When you look at the sun (which you shouldnβt do btw), youβre seeing it as it was 8 minutes ago, not what it looks like currently. So, if the sun were to suddenly just vanish Quiet Rapture style, we wouldnβt know it was gone for over 8 whole minutes. For 8 minutes weβd have no idea anything had even happened. Life would continue on as normal.
Now letβs look at the second closest star to Earth. That honour goes to the red dwarf star Proxima Centauri, which lies about 4 light years away from the sun. So, it takes light from Proxima Centauri over 4 years to reach us, and vice versa. If Proxima Centauri got Quiet Raptureβd right now, we wouldnβt know it was gone for 4 years.
Are you starting to get it now?
βWe can all still see them!β
~10 year old Simon was very much right to say this! Space rambling aside, itβs a very astute observation that points to the intelligence and curiosity of his character, even at such a young age (as clearly no one else is questioning why the stars are still visible while The Father is preaching about them being gone).
So letβs look at the Quiet Rapture from the perspective of ~10 year old Simon, watching it happen in real time.
Letβs say Edenβs space station is just outside of Marsβ orbit (which is fairly accurate to the movie based on the flashback scene). And then BOOM, Mars is gone.
Several minutes pass. Whatβs that? Earth is gone too?
A few more minutes and itβs Venus, a few more and itβs Mercury. In 13 minutes, the sun is gone too. In a little under 5 hours, Pluto is gone, and youβre starting to think this is a pretty widespread thing. The whole solar system is vanishing before your eyes.
But then it seems to stop there, and youβre thinking, well thatβs it then, the whole solar system disappeared and weβre all thatβs left here on these space stations, but I guess the rest of the universe is fine, right?
But The Father is saying the stars and planets in the entire galaxy - possibly even the universe - are gone, and it doesnβt make sense. The stars are literally right there??? Nobody else seems to question it. You get weird looks when you try to argue about this because nobody talks back to The Father, and he just laughs coldly and gives you this vague explanation with βghost lightβ.
(And the worst part is that he isnβt even wrong).
Four years pass and thereβs a new surge of panic. Proxima Centauri* and itβs two companion stars, Alpha Centauri A and B, have just vanished from the sky.
*Bear in mind Proxima Centauri isnβt actually visible to the naked eye (more on that later in the post), so whoever discovered it was gone was most likely using a telescope, if any of those survived the Quiet Rapture. Alpha Centauri A and B are visible in the night sky, so you would be able to see them blink out in real time in the Iron Lung universe.
It only cements The Fatherβs authority over Eden because somehow he knew they would. He knew they were already gone to begin with.
Itβs slowly starting to get to you too, because as the years go by, more and more stars wink out of existence, silently taking their planets with themβ¦
But while I was thinking about all this (read: stewing about all this because Iβm not gonna lie, itβs a pet peeve of mine in this fandom. No hate to any of yβall, Iβm just a huge nerd and probably undiagnosed with the βtism so I get a little uppity about these things, hence this entire fucking post), I started to wonder what the actual timeline of the stars disappearing would look like, so I did a little research, and itβs gonna blow everyoneβs minds;
Here Iβve compiled a list of all the stars within less than 20 light years of Earth and the solar system, complete with some color coding based on stellar type. (The metric of 20 light years specifically will make sense by the end of the list.)
By the events of Iron Lung, only 107 stars (excluding the sun) will be undetectable by any telescope.
Of those 107, only 22 stars (excluding the sun) will have visibly disappeared to the unaided eye.
So that means that by the time Simon is being sent down in the SM-13, the solar system and 22 additional star systems are visibly missing. There are many more that would no longer be visible with a telescope, and thousands more will follow in the next few years, decades, centuries.
Unless, of course, the Quiet Rapture is somehow reversed, but thatβs a post for another day.
All of my incessant ranting aside, Iβm really glad that Mark and David made ghost light canon in both the movie and the game, because not only is it scientifically accurate, but itβs also something that makes the Quiet Rapture that much more terrifying. Itβs not something that happens quickly in the blink of an eye, itβs slow and itβs long and itβs agonizing because you already know whatβs happening, and you already know itβs too late, so all you can do is watch the sky as one by one, over years and years and years, the stars disappear, the sky gets darker, and the universe seems to get smallerβ¦
{@ctrl-shift-alt-9 Iβm tagging you bc this is in-depth worldbuilding stuff and I feel like youβd be interested in it :3}
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I determined in my timeline-with-evidence post that Simon had been doing labor for the C.O.I. for his entire young adult life. We know he originally was going to be in Ava's standard-issue jumpsuit, we know that sixteen years between Filament Station and the events of Iron Lung had passed, Simon's very familiar with the C.O.I. (probably more than he'd like to be), but not with this specific crew or tow ship.
But... we don't really know what they were using him for.
There's an implication in the game lore I think a lot of people are skipping over:
If all planetary bodies winked out, and what was left were only asteroids, the first thing they'd be doing would be sweeping for these asteroids for chemical matter to synthesize and build with. They're asteroid mining.
Hypothetically, water processed from ice could refuel orbiting propellant depots. Almost every single precious resource we have in our planetary crust right now came from space; from a rain of asteroids. Gold, cobalt, iron, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, osmium, palladium, platinum, rhenium, rhodium, ruthenium, tungsten, etc. [ 1 ]
If humanity has been in space for close to 378 years at this point, there was definitely an entire industry for this. Did you know we're already mining asteroids today? No shit, in 378 years this would have been mastered.
And if I suddenly came into possession of a man who fucked humanity over, who was a strong-arm willing to do what it took to survive, and I needed to send that motherfucker to my space gulag for punishment, where am I gonna put him that's going to give humanity the best possible outsourced labor? What job am I going to spare one of my citizens of?
my friend and i were talking yesterday about how funny it is that the Iron Lung/BloodyMary fandoms make Simon some kind of eldritch eel creature, like, i fear y'all lost the plot of the movie a little bit. don't get me wrong, Eel Simon looks badass or whatever, but Simon resisted becoming part of the Eel so wholly that he became a tree and everyone still said, "yeah but what if the eel became part of him anyway make him a scary feesh". y'all that man is a Plant. the Plant Simon Truthers corner of the fandom canNOT be so small as just my friend and i, where are all my homies who love Plant Simon and his green eye and his arm made of vines. all my homies love Plant Simon who lays in the sun and drinks plenty of water and grows little flowers in his hand.
Actually, rewatching the ending of Iron Lung, I think I finally understand what happened.
The final shots we see of Simon show him being assimilated by the blood ocean. We hear Simon's screaming gradually distort into a roar, and there are fang-like teeth growing on the side of his face:
The blood is mutating him into another monstrous fish. This implies the voice speaking to Simon had once been human too, but had since become the monster we've seen throughout the film, having burst out of (not bitten into) the SM-8.
The voice says, "We can save everyone, within us!!" which makes sense if we recall the line from earlier in the film about the blood ("It's us"). It's stated that the blood is human blood, and may even be what remains of the humans that were taken in the Quiet Rapture. As people (like the woman from the SM-8, and like Simon now) are sent down into the blood ocean, are irradiated, and mutate, they are absorbed into a sort of hive-mind connection with the blood itself. (It's sort of an antithesis to the repeated refrain of "It's bigger than us"...no, it literally is us.) Simon and the ship are already part of it--an iron lung, built by what is found in blood (perhaps distilled from it) and refilled with oxygen as if the blood is a body using it to breathe.
Then we follow Simon under the surface of the blood and see the following shots (I've taken down the saturation for clarity). The tree pendant cracks and shoots out tendrils:
Simon resurfaces, and his eye (below) flashes and changes color, becoming more like the giant eye we've seen throughout the film. His mutation seems to be progressing.
It cuts to black and the voice says, "We live." Then it cuts to an exterior shot of an explosion, ripping through the monster, and dark shapes start to shoot out from the center of where the ship had been.
Some people have interpreted this as the completion of Simon's transformation, but it isn't. This isn't a fish or even a tentacled sea creature. It's a tree. The trunk is the upper portion, and the roots are the tendrils spreading out towards the screen.
Simon's choice to hold onto hope allowed what was intended for evil to be used for good. The piece he carried of the Last Tree touched the blood, and, as if to fulfill what Eden had said ("our bodies will become the soil"), used it to grow, destroying the monsters as it did. The blood can nourish something now ("we live"), as it is meant to, even if (just as with the data) we don't get to see what it becomes.
Simon is gone, but the Last Tree lives again. And thanks to him, maybe humanity can too.
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