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Started this as a simple way to get rid of my art block and ended up with 8 fully rendered drawings somehow, i wasnt even planning on drawing backgrounds lol
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More than just ‘Jealousy’ (although that’s certainly part of it), I think one of the big through-lines of Chapter 5 is ‘You Can’t Make Someone Love You’. That relationships are complicated and mutual things dependent on personalities and history, and can’t (or shouldn’t) really be ‘forced’. That’s part of the reason for the constant Dating Sim references this Chapter, and it’s something that’s been kinda brewing through the whole game so far. It connects to the recurring ideas of deconstructing video game tropes (notably here the gamification of interpersonal relationships) and your choices not mattering, and also Divorce. How Asgore constantly fails to make Toriel ‘feel what she used to feel’ for him and probably making things worse through these constant attempts.
And to Ralsei’s original naïve ideas of ‘how to be a friend’. Them thinking it’s a simple matter of always ‘being nice’ - paralleling ‘Relationship Mechanics’ in games that are mostly about choosing the friendliest and most placating options, and that's really all you need to 'max out' your relationship with whoever.
Only for them to realize that it’s more complicated than this as they grow closer to Susie, someone who absolutely is not the person who chooses only the ‘nice’ options all the time, and realize that they love her for it. But also at the same time, their sweet and passive demeanor seems to have pretty much failed to endear them to Kris, despite their best efforts.
That relationship only progresses when Ralsei stops trying so hard to be Lovable….
And then also Our Choices Don’t Matter meaning that there’s no Choice a Player can make that can meaningfully change Kris’s most important relationships. These relationships also don’t depend on simply picking ‘positive’ options (because if one likes Kris, that also goes hand-in-hand with liking some amount emotionally detached teasing and pranks). AND the most important moments of relationship development happen of Kris’s own volition, and they will rebel against words that are either too cruel or too sappy to their own taste. Which in previous Chapters was mostly a positive, hopeful thing. No matter our influence, Kris’s friends will always be Kris’s friends first and foremost. We don’t have enough power to ruin their most important relationships or to make their friends love them for something that they’re not.
But in this Chapter, there’s a new melancholy wrinkle added to it. Through the whole Festival Sequence, you’re presented with a bunch of choices that under standard ‘Game Logic’ might be expected to influence the relationships between Kris, Susie and Noelle - but in true Deltarune fashion, regardless of your choices, Susie and Noelle always start their romance at the end of it. But while this could be a heartwarming story about Cute Teenaged Lesbian Love triumphing over a manipulative Amoral Time God… the whole situation also makes it very clear that even if Kris was able to make choices freely, there’s nothing they could choose that would make Susie love them either. No matter how close they and Susie get, she just doesn’t seem to be attracted to them that way.
You can also add to it the way the Flowery Final Boss plays on the ‘Power of Friendship’ bit that’s generally expected at the end of a Pacifist Run…
Where Flowery has his own Recruits that instead seem to team-up with Flowery and against you, regardless of your choices. Because the cute little ACTs you did to Recruit them were nice and all, but were they really enough to make them truly love you more than they already loved Flowery and the other Flowers? More then they loved their Dark World?
And then there’s Flowery’s whole thing. Like in many other aspects of their characters, he and Ralsei are two sides of the same coin. If Pre-Character-Development Ralsei is like someone who tries to please and befriend everyone in an RPG, Flowery is someone trying to powergame his way through a dating sim. His (and the other Flowers) constant showering of Asgore with admiration, gifts and ideal hang-outs/dates that are all just perfect for him are partly just trying to repay Asgore for the kindness he’s given them and making him happy… and also to try and make Asgore choose Flower Kingdom and his Flower Family over Hometown and his Light World Family.
As much as Flowery teases Ralsei over their jealousy of him, his behavior often reveals that he’s jealous of Kris, for being part of that family that has, from his perspective, have given Asgore nothing but grief, and yet he still seems to love more than the Flowers. Kris is a living demonstration of how his gifts and dedication to Asgore is secretly just as ‘useless’ as his fake made-up overpowered stats. Flowery is also well aware that Kris is the one that opened the Fountain in the first place, and that they seem to have some sort of hidden agenda that’s not beneficial to their dad, and Flowery still feels like Asgore will always choose them over him.
And, well, the resolution to the Flower Kingdom arc is a mixture of that (especially considering how much he was motivated into exploring the Dark Worlds out of a belief that it will magically make his family life ‘go back to normal’…. Literally pushing the Flowers away for the sake of that goal...)
But also, it’s kind of a matter that Asgore does absolutely love the Flowers, just not in the way they wanted to. The Flowers wanted Asgore to love being around them so much, he’d choose their fantasy even if it means their deaths, but Asgore loved the Flowers so much that he wanted them to live.
And in way, that’s also kind of a mirror to Kris’ situation with Susie. She definitely loves Kris, they just feel like she’d never love them the way they’d want her to.
And then, the way Pink interacts with the whole Dating Sim Pastiches adds in some wrinkles of important nuance. She’s the one notable occasion (well, outside of the other even bigger exception we’d get to in a moment) where the Gamification of Relationships is actually useful, both for the Player to progress and beat the Fight and for Pink’s Body and Ghost to solve their relationship issues. In a way, it’s kinda like saying “Well, of course, just because you can’t make anyone love you, that doesn’t mean Choices don’t matter at all in relationships, obviously. Making Choices of consideration and healthy communication is important.”
And even then, part of the resolution is Pink’s Ghost accepting her Body’s needs even if it means she won’t necessarily have her all for herself. She there’s still there’s this undercurrent of accepting that you can’t make people love you the way you want them too.
But, of course, the biggest and obvious exception of the concept of ‘You can’t make someone love you’ is, well, the same as what seems to be the biggest exception to the concept of ‘Your choices don’t matter’, and that’s the Weird Route, of course.
The Weird Route is the one exception to the idea that we and our choices can’t have a meaningful affect on Kris’ relationships, and it very intentionally uses a lot of the Tropes and language of, like, going on a Romance Route with a character in a Video Game, complete with a supposed ‘climax’ when said NPC decides to invite you to the big romantic Festival, and it also uses every storytelling tool in its disposal to showcase how it’s utterly creepy and manipulative and wrong.
It’s adding to the point of ‘you can’t make people love you’ with ‘also, even if you can make people love you, you probably fucking shouldn’t”.
But I suppose, in many ways it is still a case of one not being able to control how people love them…
Interesting analysis! There's a part I think you glossed over, though, and that's Susie's own feelings about having to make someone love you. She frames love as something you feel when someone else already loves you, and has several sequences in the Dark World where she does things, sometimes ones she really doesn't like, because she thinks that will make Noelle like her more. It's sad that she can't break out of this transactional mindset when she has other people who love her no matter what.
Chara poisoned themselves because taking their life was a means to an end, Kris will poison themselves because taking their life is the end itself.
Chara poisoned themselves because they were consumed by hatred for their own kind; Kris will poison themselves because they’re consumed by hatred for themselves.
Chara poisoned themselves because they wanted to reach the absolute; Kris will poison themselves because they think it will give them absolution.
Chara poisoned themselves because they felt solely responsible for fulfilling everyone’s hopes; Kris will poison themselves because they feel solely responsible for destroying everyone's hopes.
Chara poisoned themselves and took advantage of someone they loved to fulfill their plan; Kris will poison themselves because they’re sick of being forced to take advantage of the people they love to fulfill their plan.
Chara poisoned themselves because they believed everyone would be happy and safe if they obtained the power to reshape the world; Kris will poison themselves because they believe everyone will be happy and safe if they remove themselves from the world.
Chara poisoned themselves because they believed it would make them worthy of everyone’s love; Kris will poison themselves because they believe they’re unworthy of anyone’s love.
Chara poisoned themselves because they wanted to rid the world of humanity; Kris will poison themselves because they believe they're losing their humanity.
The Demon Who Saved a God: An In-Depth Analysis of Chara's Salvation
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Gather here, young UTDR fans. And let this old, grumpy veteran of the 2010-era Undertale fandom tell you about the day the Chara Wars were won.
On a quiet Sunday evening on September 21st, 2025, the Undertale fandom was struck by what can only be described as the Tsar Bomb of truth nukes. In a single instant, a decade’s worth of bad takes and bogus fanon was completely and thoroughly annihilated.
The warhead that caused such great and terrible devastation was made of a simple 9-word-long sentence:
To those of you who are new to this fandom, it seems like nothing more than a neat lore drop. But for those of us who’ve been fans since the mid to late 2010s... we all felt like the Rebel starfighter pilots watching the 2nd Death Star blow up. We all knew what it meant: our favourite rose-cheeked, cocoa-loving freak was finally free from the clutches of media illiteracy!
With this statement, Toby Fox demonstrated that they were no less deserving of salvation than every other character in Undertale. That they were anything but an irredeemable megalomaniac that saw everyone as instruments to be used and wanted nothing more than to spread misery, havoc, and destruction wherever they went.
The war was finally over! They beat the allegations! And Toby Fox ensured that anyone who dared to utter the phrase "Chara is evil!" would be ridiculed, roasted, and ratioed to high heaven.
And yet... something about this whole thing kinda bothered me.
While I was certainly euphoric to see Toby Fox confirm Chara’s salvation, I couldn't help but wonder how exactly it all happened. But sadly, it seemed like nobody knew how it went down either. No matter where I looked on Tumblr, Twitter, Reddit, or any other corner of the fandom, no one had a definitive answer as to how Chara was saved.
It seemed that, in true Chara lore fashion, this was something that Toby Fox would forever leave shrouded in ambiguity and uncertainty. Maybe the truth is that this was just cheap fan service or some half-baked retcon, made without any care for how it would affect the story of Undertale...
...OR IS IT!?!?
After a good few months of research and analysis, I've come to the conclusion that Chara's salvation in the Pacifist Run was not as brilliant or well-thought-out as you think it is.
IT'S EVEN BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You thought Chara's character was fantastic before? Oh, my fellow hellsite user, you are in for a heck of a treat! You DO NOT have the FAINTEST IDEA just how much the phrase "Now there is one person left to save... Chara" does, for not just their character, but for the narrative and themes of Undertale as a whole!!!
So it's with great pride and greater pleasure that I present to you in deeeeeeeeliciously autistic detail (and yes I am autistic thanks for asking!) the ABSOLUTELY FANTABULOUS REDEMPTION ARC OF ONE CHARA DREEMURR!
Chapter 1: "At first, I was confused."
Now, before we can get into how Chara changed for the better, I think it's important that I demonstrate to y'all that they were capable of change in the first place.
Seeing how their character has been plagued by countless misinterpretations and misreadings over the years, it's no surprise some of those will convince people that saving Chara is impossible because they're unable or unwilling to change.
Since Chara was fanatically obsessed with reaching the absolute by any means necessary, I don’t blame y’all for assuming that their obsession would remain as strong as it was when they were alive, especially with their soullessness stunting their ability to feel love and compassion just as it happened to Asriel. And speaking of Azzy, of course, it's also easy to assume they’ll be looking for some good ol’ fashioned payback with his ‘betrayal’ still fresh in their mind. So, because of that, it’s easy to assume Chara cannot or will not change, as those things I mentioned earlier would inspire them to double down on their worst qualities, right?
Additionally, another (mis)interpretation I've seen recently is the concept that post-death Chara is less of a person and more of a, well, concept. That is to say, they're not really a person so much as they are an entity: an amoral manifestation, embodiment, or representation of the player's desire to see everything pushed to the limit. And therefore, they can't really be saved because an embodiment of our our desires wouldn't exactly be interested in changing their ways.
But contrary to what some may think, they themselves are very much capable of change, and to prove that, look no further than these lines of the little speech they give at the end of the first No Mercy Run.
It’s interesting that, even with the memory of Asriel’s screwing up their plan still fresh in their minds, Chara didn't wake up vengeful, power-hungry, or omnicidal. They were confused, aimless, and even resigned. And these three lines are EXTREMELY important because they establish some details about what Chara was like after their death that will be ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL going forward!!!
A) Since Chara talks about how they were in a state of confusion prior to the player helping them “realize their purpose,” it stands to reason that the moment where Chara “found their purpose” was when the No Mercy Run began in the Ruins. Therefore, this confirms that Chara was awake and aware of their surroundings well before the No Mercy Run began (likely immediately when you named the fallen human, seeing how they’re the “demon who comes when people call its name”). So if that's the case, then that means they are aware of what goes on in every single run, INCLUDING THE PACIFIST RUN!
B) Because Chara talks about how “our plan had failed,” it clearly indicates that they are still very much the same person when they were alive, seeing how they still retain their memories of their plan with Asriel. So neither their soulless state nor the player’s influence altered their overall personality too much, meaning their current predicament is no different from their brother's when he became Flowey. In other words, despite everything, it’s still you, Chara.
C) Chara's death did not destroy or erase their memories, identity, and most importantly, THEIR AGENCY!!! Their death didn’t turn them into some dumb beast acting on raw instinct, nor some unthinking and unfeeling force of nature, nor some mindless physical embodiment/representation of the player’s hunger for completionism. They are still able to think and act for themselves and can discern right from wrong. So, as I said before, they’re not that different at all from Asriel when he became Flowey. And just like Flowey, THEY ARE STILL CAPABLE OF CHANGE!
Yes! Because Chara QUESTIONED and DOUBTED the very purpose they sought to fulfill when they were alive, this proves they are capable of change! And if they're capable of change, THEN THAT MEANS THEY ARE CAPABLE OF CHANGING FOR THE BETTER!!!!!
Therefore, we can safely say that without a shadow of a doubt, Chara is no less capable of redemption than Asriel. And as you will see, they do end up doing so!
Chapter 2: "With your Guidance..."
So now that we learned that Chara unquestionably has the capacity for change (and that they’ve even started the process to a degree), we can now dive into why and how they changed!
From what I’ve seen, most people seem to be under the assumption that Frisk simply just made them be saved; that they like mustered up all of their mystical and vaguely defined powers and were all like “Bippity Boppity Boo! Your trauma and angst are all gone!”
But as you will see, Chara’s salvation was not something forced upon them, and the evidence for that, funnily enough, comes from the run where they cannot be saved at all: The Soulless Pacifist Run.
Now, unsurprisingly, the people who (still) believed Chara was pure evil looked for anything that could prove Toby was being insincere or just plain stupid. And one of their favourite rebuttals was, of course, the run where they can’t be saved at all. They argued that whatever Frisk did to save Chara in the True Pacifist Run should still be able to work on them in the Soulless Pacifist Run. And since they don’t, well, “Checkmate Chara Defenders!”
However, as I shall demonstrate, not only does the Soulless Pacifist Run do absolutely nothing to dispute or refute what Toby said, but it actually helps paint a very clear picture of how they were saved!
If Toby Fox said that Chara was saved during the Pacifist Run, and if you can’t save them in the Soulless Pacifist Run, then what does that say about how you DO save them in the True Pacifist Run? Is it simply because Frisk’s magic SAVE powers just ricocheted off them due to them having your SOUL or something, or is it because salvation is not something you impose upon them, but rather something you inspire them to embrace!?
Remember people! Chara did not come back as a full-fledged demon hellbent on causing death and destruction (unless, of course, you shape them into one). They’re a troubled and restless spirit in desperate need of guidance and healing, which only Frisk can give them! They were in a state of purposelessness because they failed to achieve their ultimate purpose with that plan, and it made them doubt and question the misguided beliefs that ultimately doomed them and their brother! And that’s why you can’t save them if you’ve completed a No Mercy Run! It’s not because Frisk’s so-called SAVE powers didn’t work on them. It’s because fulfilling the No Mercy Run all but vindicates their distorted worldview and inspires them to triple down on it. And yeah, it’s rather funny how if you doom Chara by completing the No Mercy Run, you end up dooming monsterkind as a whole.
So if the No Mercy Run dooms Chara and unleashes their vengeful spirit by reinforcing and validating their toxic worldview, then it would make all too perfect sense that the Pacifist Run ends up saving them and helping them find peace because it challenges and refutes that toxic worldview!
You know how in fiction, folklore, and myth involving troubled and restless spirits, the reason they’re like that is that they suffered some unavenged wrong or some unresolved trouble that afflicted them when they were alive, which prevents them from moving on? And how the only way to help them find peace is by avenging, resolving, or healing what afflicted them?
And seeing Chara is a troubled and restless spirit in their own right, the best and only way to help them find peace is to inspire them to let go of the broken and flawed worldview that became the source of all their troubles. This worldview is made up of what I like to call the three M’s: Misanthropy, Megalomania, and Mercilessness.
Unlike your classic villains or evildoers, Chara’s megalomania was not purely driven by, well, egomania. They had complex, understandable, and even sympathetic reasons for why they wanted ultimate power. And they didn’t just want power only for themselves, but also for those they cared about. The cruelty and malice they endured on the surface left them with a destructive hatred of humankind, and there’s no question that it amplified when they witnessed the oppression that humanity inflicted upon the only people that ever showed them love and compassion. As a result, Chara became absolutely convinced that peace and prosperity can only be achieved through the total eradication of the human race, and that they must obtain the strength to do so by any means necessary. To ensure nothing could hurt them or anyone they cared about, they needed to eradicate the enemy and become strong. They needed to reach the absolute.
Their obsession with strength, complemented by their destructive misanthropy, became the source of their troubles and every single bad decision they made. And it eventually was the source of all the tragedy they brought upon themselves and their family with that ill-fated plan.
Now that their plan has completely failed and their purpose remains unfulfilled, they’ve been left in a state of confusion and doubt, questioning themselves and the very purpose they once zealously sought to fulfill. And that puts Frisk (and you) in a perfect position to inspire them to change their ways!
Yeah! Turns out that with the Pacifist Run, you’re not only convincing monsterkind to abandon their crusade against the human race, but also the very person who inspired it and wanted them to wage it! If Chara adamantly believed that monsterkind’s liberation can only be achieved if they were without mercy, without weakness, and without a single stupid human being, then what better way to completely refute that than by fulfilling their goal with exactly those things?!
How karmic that the misanthropic Chara witnesses monsterkind be liberated by a human being! Not just any human, but a literal child! WITH ONE MEASLY LV AND NO EXP TO BOOT! Not only challenging their views of humanity, but also their views of strength, power, and what must be done to achieve them.
Chara believed that love can only come from a position of strength; to safeguard their loved ones, they needed to be as powerful as they could be, so that “nothing can hurt anyone anymore.” But Frisk shows them that LOVE ITSELF IS STRENGTH. Frisk’s love and compassion made them so powerful that no opponent was a match for them. Not even the Kingdom’s strongest soldiers! Not even the frickin head of state! Not even an eldritch house plant endowed with the power of six human souls! Not even a literal god with infinite ATK and DEF!
Frisk shows Chara that they didn’t need to be omnipotent or invincible to be the friend Asriel needed. They just needed to be there for him.
And thanks to Frisk, they do get to be there for him.
One final time.
Chapter 3: "I realized the purpose of my reincarnation."
Here we are! The moment you've all been waiting for!
Now you’re probably thinking to yourself: “Excuse me, but I thought that moment where you save ‘Someone else’ was about Asriel! After all, that’s why the flavour text says ‘You reach out and call their name!’"
Heeeeeeeeeey, wait a goshdarn minute...
“You reach out and call THEIR name”?!?!?!?!?!?!?
If it’s supposed to be Asriel’s name being called, then WHY IS HE BEING ADDRESSED WITH A GENDER NEUTRAL PRONOUN?! Why not simply have it be “You call out HIS name” instead of “THEIR name.”
Well, I don't know about y'all, but I know that it was no accident that Toby Fox chose to use gender neutral pronouns when calling out the name of “Someone Else.” And now that he confirmed that Chara was the last person to be saved in the pacifist run, we know for a fact that Chara is indeed the “Someone Else” being referred to!
So there you have it. You shout out Chara’s name, which restores Asriel's memories, which in turn saves both him and Chara.
Sounds... kinda anticlimactic if I'm being honest.
Like, is that really it? That’s all there is to it? After all the trouble you went through when saving the Lost Souls, after all the trouble you went to inspire the main cast to change for the better, the thing that saves Asriel and inspires him to abandon his omnicidal and megalomaniacal aspirations is just... name-dropping their dead sibling?
Like, what the hell is so special and so powerful about calling Chara’s name that it ended up saving all of existence from a literal god?
Hmmmmm. Could it have something to do with the fact that Chara calls themselves The Demon Who Comes When People...
...CALL IT'S NAME?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Oh yeah, that's right! Frisk wasn't just calling out Chara. THEY WERE CALLING FOR CHARA!!!!!
And know what this means?!?! Toby Fox’s revelation didn’t just prove that Chara was being saved in the Pacifist Run. THEY WERE ACTUALLY DOING THE SAVING!!!! Remember how we established earlier that, even in their soulless state, Chara can still think and act for themselves? This means that when Frisk called on Chara to save their brother, they weren’t being FORCED to do so. THEY CHOSE TO SAVE HIM! So, regardless of whether or not you believe in that NarraChara theory, Chara was not simply just some passive observer in the Pacifist Run. THEY PLAYED AN ACTIVE ROLE IN SAVING ASRIEL!
And that brings us to another critical and extremely cool detail: Frisk would not have been able to do it without Chara’s help!!! And it beautifully ties in with how you saved the Lost Souls!
As you all know, prior to saving Asriel, you have to save the Main cast, who have taken the form of Lost Souls, who now reside in Asriel's own soul. You will note how the way they’re speaking to Frisk is as if they’ve been reset to what they were like before they bonded with Frisk, when they were still consumed by their insecurities and flaws, which drove them to fight against them.
So to save them, Frisk needs to remind these Lost Souls of the love they have for them, which will make them whole again. They accomplish that by doing something that reminds them of something they did to connect with them, whether it's making bad puns, sharing pie preferences, talking about anime, and so on. Even with Asgore, for the brief time Frisk has been with them, they still managed to form at least something. It also helps that he never really had any ill will toward Frisk and was more than willing to accept them as his own.
But with his son, they’re at a total impasse because with him, they don’t have the square root of diddly squat! Frisk could not form any bond with Asriel because he never gave them the opportunity when he was Flowey! How can Frisk hope to save him by reminding him of the good times they once shared, IF THEY NEVER SHARED ANY GOOD TIMES WITH HIM TO BEGIN WITH?!?! And worse still, the only person Asriel still cares about and still shares an attachment with is long gone!!!
I mean, it’s not like they’ve been tagging along with Frisk the whole time in corporeal form.
Oh wait! YES THEY HAVE!!!
You see this moment here where Asriel is left in shock and demands Frisk to tell him what they did to him, and says that he’s feeling something happening to him.
Yeah, that wasn’t just because Frisk simply blurted out their name, and that just randomly triggered his memories. It was good ol’ Chara Dreemurr answering the call, LITERALLY answering the call; restoring his memories of them and saving him by reminding them of the love he had for them!
[Side note, I also think it's interesting that in Flowey’s post-Pacifist monologue to Chara, he tells them they were “fighting to stop” the power to reset everything. And since he’s speaking to Chara, I guess it means Asriel eventually realized that Chara was with them during those final moments.
[And yeah, I know some of y'all argue that he was actually talking to the player. But like you’re telling me that he can somehow detect the yahoo that’s been guiding Frisk behind the scenes from another plane of existence, and yet somehow he was not able to detect Chara’s spirit despite them literally being attached to Frisk? OH, COME ON!]
BUT I DIGRESS!!!
So even though Chara’s relationship with Azzy was far from ideal, it was still a loving relationship nonetheless. And it's by reminding him of that love and the good times they once shared with him that Chara is able to save him!
I know, right?! How poetic (and ridiculously awesome) that, in the scene where a person's love for another becomes the source of their salvation, the thing that saves Asriel and Chara is their love for the person they care about the most: EACH OTHER!
So there you have it! Every piece of evidence presented up to this point proves that Chara’s choice to save Asriel in the Pacifist Run wasn’t done out of cold pragmatic necessity or mere self-preservation. But that it was a genuine, honest-to-god act of good, one that redeemed both Asriel and themselves!!!
Yes, you heard that right.
CHARA REDEEMED THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember, it was only because Asriel was saved that he could use everyone’s souls to break the barrier and free his people. And if Chara played an active role in saving him, that doesn’t just make them directly responsible for Asriel's salvation, but for the liberation of monsterkind as a whole!!!
It really makes for a beautifully bittersweet bookend to Chara’s tragic story, as with this brave and unselfish act, they realize the dream they once sought to fulfill with that terribly misguided plan, and end up becoming the hope for monsterkind that Asgore wanted them to be. And not only that, but they also atone for the terrible consequences of that plan by not just freeing the underground, but also by saving Asriel from the terrible fate which they (inadvertently) brought upon him!
And Chara’s redemption becomes all the more poignant when you realize that they didn’t just save Asriel from a terrible fate they brought upon him in the first place, but they inspired him to abandon the twisted view of the world that they once embraced themselves when they were alive, which they wanted him to embrace!
If you really think about it, Hyperdeath Asriel is pre-death Chara’s idealized form of Asriel. Not only having become omnipotent and with every stat having reached the absolute, but also having fully embraced Chara’s ideals: that he must be without mercy, without weakness, and without any regard for those good-for-nothing humans. He became the very thing that they wanted him to be and sought to make him into!
Pre-death Chara would’ve killed to turn him into this! HELL, THEY WERE ACTUALLY LITERALLY GOING TO KILL WITH THAT LITTLE PLAN OF THEIRS!
But not anymore.
The original plan to become a god with him failed, and that failure changed them. And thanks to Frisk, that change turned out for the better. Frisk showed them the power that comes from showing mercy to their enemies rather than eradicating them. Frisk made them see the terrible consequences their hunger for power had on the people Chara cared about. And finally, they showed them what it turned their best friend into.
All of this began because Chara wanted to use godlike powers to raze and reshape the whole world for Asriel’s sake, and the only reason that terribly misguided vision was never realized was thanks to their brother.
But now the roles have reversed.
Now, Chara finds themselves in the same position that they once put Asriel in! He’s once again the god they sought to make him into, but now he’s the one seeking to use those same destructive powers, having fully embraced the twisted philosophy that Chara sought to instill in him, and now he's seeking to fulfill the goal that he once fought so hard to stop Chara from accomplishing.
And so, Chara, after finally seeing the error of their ways, ends up doing for Asriel exactly what he did for them in their final moments: THEY RESIST!
Just as he made the ultimate sacrifice to save the world from the wrath of a hurt and embittered Chara, they now make the ultimate sacrifice to save the world from the wrath of a hurt and embittered Asriel. And just like before, it results in both of them leaving said world too soon.
And what’s even sadder is that, despite everything they’ve done, monsterkind will only remember them as that human child who fell down, lived with the Royal family for a bit, and then fell ill and died an untimely death. They’ll never realize that they truly wanted to save them all on that tragic day. And even if they do find out the truth of what truly happened on that day, they’ll never realize that they eventually succeeded in saving everyone.
Because, just like us, they are not above consequences.
Now they have reached the absolute. A new absolute. One defined by healing, instead of harm; one defined by understanding your opponents instead of eradicating them; one defined by love, instead of LOVE.
With their dream of freeing the underground fulfilled and the wrongs they suffered (and inflicted) completely righted, there’s nothing left for them here.
They can finally leave their beautiful world...
...and move on to the next!
Chapter 4: "Now we have reached the absolute."
And there you have it.
You know all those fics, comics, and AUs where Chara redeems themselves, such as Dreemurr-Reborn, Twin Runs, and Dogs of Future Past?
Art belongs to (from left to right): @dreemurr-reborn @akanemnon and @lynxgriffin
Turns out they were all inconsistent with the canon... because, well, THEIR REDEMPTION ARC WAS ALREADY CANON TO BEGIN WITH!!! No offence to their creators lol, you did a beautiful job on them!
So you see? The Pacifist Run wasn’t about vanquishing Chara, or banishing them, defeating them, slaying them, suppressing them, or even avoiding them. It was about saving them! Because in the end, they were just as capable of change and deserving of love and healing as much as Toriel, Asgore, Sans, Papyrus, Undyne, Alphys, Mettaton, and sweet little Asriel.
Even if Chara is a worse person than all of them put together, their flaws, follies, and failings didn’t make them any less deserving of salvation. And thanks to Frisk (and with a little help from you), they not only found salvation for themselves but also helped the people they loved achieve it. And that includes the sweet and sensitive little goat boy who said they "wasn't really the greatest person".
They may not have been the greatest person. But that will never change the fact that they ended up playing a critical role in the greatest act of good their world will ever see.
wait please continue talking about padmé and anakin and their similarities and also just padmé in general everything you said in that last ask was GENIUS
mostly i view anakin and padme as existing on a sliding scale - two people who, under similar life circumstances, probably would have adjusted to those circumstances in broadly similar ways, but life experiences have forged them into two opposite ends. i’ll explain.
padme is a deep believer in peace, but she’s also, clearly, a believer in using violence to attain that peace; she’s good at it, she does it often, she can more than handle herself. AOTC goes out of its way to show that padme, while not being force sensitive and not a warrior monk with cosmic power, is clever and knows how to fight. quick aside, the scene where she kisses anakin’s cheek after she hoists herself up on the beast he tamed with the force is elite, and it means everything to me, side note over. padme doesn’t condone war, but she condones violent opposition to it, or, in essence, she’s exactly the sort of person who would’ve backed the rebel alliance, because that’s who george lucas wrote her to be; not a pacifist but not indulgent in violence, neither afraid of it or excited by it. her approach to her usage of violence never strays from the fact that it’s a means to an end.
anakin, despite everything, is not actually dissimilar from that - repeatedly, he states order is the path to peace, that through immense and horrific violence he’s bringing peace to the galaxy, because anakin, though an extremely effective war machine, doesn’t actually want to be one. his own purpose is to make himself obsolete, and even as vader, his most famous speech has him stating “together we can end this destructive conflict.” anakin’s stated goals in life never include general or supreme commander, and even though he takes pride in his lethal skill, it’s never something he states he wants. he becomes so extreme, though, in his views on what’s okay to actually attain peace, and what’s considered liberty, that he ends up hitting a point where his day job is slaughtering his way through the galaxy justifying it internally to himself as Palpatine’s Grand And True And Kind Vision. violence becomes not only something he’s good at, but also literally his purpose for existing, at all points hobby, outlet, and job; he becomes the tool itself, embodies the warmongering he sees as the one path to peace, both internally in himself and in the external galaxy around him.
he is in a lot of ways the very end of the sliding scale padme’s squarely in the middle of; they wanted the same thing, and had wildly different ideas of how to go about it. the one thing they shared very consistently was that they wanted the galaxy to be a better place, but anakin feels that to create that better place he has to pass it off to someone worthy of controlling it, because that’s more or less the only solution anakin ever has to any of his problems, and meanwhile padme believes more strongly in the republic’s democracy, which, ironically, fails her entirely when she needs it the most. general values aside, padme is similarly reckless and impulsive - she risks her life often to do things technically considered below her station, and pretty much never demonstrates thinking for a second before jumping directly into the middle of something. in TCW, she gets roped into the drama surrounding jabba’s lost son simply because she could and she felt like it; in another episode she violates the law to investigate a murder and drags bail organa with her to go chase down the killer with guns blazing, absolutely no brain cells firing. her path of finding the murderer is literally “walk up and ask people if they killed someone recently” and at the end of the episode she knocks the actual killer out cold with one punch as a massive Fuck You. maybe she’s not on anakin’s level of reckless and impulsive, but, really, the level of reckless and impulsive that is “in the span of a week i can burn down the galaxy, my home, everyone and everything i know and also myself in stunning fashion, hold my beer” should really only be reached by one person at a time. so again, where padme exists, anakin takes that existence to the very extremes.
because the point, narratively, i believe, was to demonstrate that they were never actually all that different - that their similarities connected them, not their opposites, and that’s what makes the concept of who anakin finally becomes resonate so much harder. because he comes to represent a morally depraved caricature of everything she’d found kinship with in anakin - she’d found someone who perceived faults and wanted a change, except his idea of changing it was to burn it down over and over until it finally grew right. there’s a comic panel where vader calls himself mercy, because he’s offering people the ultimate out - death. padme met anakin as someone who wanted to help people, that’s what she’d known him as, and then later on he took it to horrific, evil extremes where his version of help is mass slaughter. both reckless, impulsive, dangerous and prepared to be dangerous, but circumstances have created a divergence where one of them can take that to obsessive, unhinged extremes, and the other can rein it in. anakin never demonstrates the capability of buying into the more abstract concepts padme lives her life by - liberty, for example - because abstract concepts like principles or morals are things that, from a young age, most people have violated in his direction. principles don’t matter if no one has principles. by comparison, padme’s early life was literally dedicated to developing those principles and developing them so well she can speak on them and broadcast them to an audience, and that’s really the difference - padme believes in something, and anakin believes what other people believe. on mustafar, his words, his grand speech about how he’s fallen, they’re not even his, they’re just lifted from what palpatine had told him.
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Anakin: [dramatic and villainous] Join me, Master! I’ll give you one last chance!
Obi-Wan: …fine.
Anakin: I – [Dramatic John Williams Score cuts out] Wait, what?
Obi-Wan: I said all right, then. [puts his cloak back on]
Anakin: [mouth agape] Wh– no, Master, you –
Obi-Wan: You offered, didn’t you? I mean if the Jedi Order and Republic are over, as you say, I suppose I’ve got to find employment somewhere.
Anakin: [with gears visibly turning in his head] Well – but – it’s just. I’m talking about the Dark Side, Master, you know that, right?
Obi-Wan: Yes. What else could you have possibly been talking about?
Anakin: I…right, of course. So…you’re just, fine with becoming a Sith Lord, just like that.
Obi-Wan: [smoothing out his sleeves] Hmm? I mean, I suppose, you know. Whatever you want to do.
Anakin: That…this doesn’t make any sense.
Obi-Wan: See, those were my thoughts exactly!
Anakin: [confused as hell] …yeah, so…why…
Obi-Wan: [scrolling on his phone] I, too, thought to myself “goodness! That certainly looks like Anakin pledging his life to a Sith Lord, but that, that makes no sense whatsoever! We were just about to win the war, and at any rate I just saw him only a handful of hours ago. Becoming a Sith, at this moment of all moments, would be possibly the stupidest, least-thought-through decision he’s ever made, even including that time he ate those leftovers that had been in the conservator since before we left for Christophsis.”
Anakin: [makes a face]
Obi-Wan: But then I thought, “well, Obi-Wan, you’ve known Anakin a very long time, surely if he’s doing something this drastic, it must be for a very good reason indeed. A reason that is based on solid facts that he has thought through at length after having gotten many hours of restful sleep. It’s not like he’d turn to the Dark Side because he’s panicked about something and refuses to talk to anyone about it in any actionable detail, and has decided to place all his proverbial eggs in one basket that happens to belong to a Sith Lord who orchestrated this entire war from the start!” Because of course that would be idiotic. And if that were the case, Anakin should probably just shut up and get on the ship and go help his wife before I have to do something I very much wouldn’t like to have to do to him.
Anakin: [opens his mouth] [closes it] [unintelligible mumble]
Obi-Wan: So, very well then. Sith Lords it is. Do I need to do anything immediately, or shall we just get on to murdering people?I I must say I don’t own many dark colors, but I’m sure we can stop at a store at some point during our killing spree.
Anakin: W– no, I mean, Obi-Wan, you can’t…like…be that way. That’s not…you’re…you.
Obi-Wan: What way is that, Anakin? Did you or did you not ask me to join you? Hmm? I said I accept. I presume you are a man of your word. Whom shall I kill in cold blood? [draws his lightsaber]
Anakin: I…you should. I just. [mumbles again]
Obi-Wan: What’s that? I couldn’t quite hear you. [leans in slightly] Would it bother you to see me behaving in such a way? Would it disappoint you, or possibly even tear your heart into pieces to watch your Master fall so far and do such terrible things? Would you do anything, forgive anything even though that is objectively insane, in the off chance that I might see reason, because I am behaving so far beyond anything you know of me?
Anakin: [looks away and stares] [more mumbling, scuffs his boot on the ground]
Obi-Wan: …well?!
Anakin: [pouting and picking up his cloak, already walking away] I said I’ll get in the ship!
I'm gonna preface here and say I theorize a lot but i usually express those ideas through art better than text, but I have no time to try and draw this idea. So here we go:
I was replaying chapter five and made sure to do EVERYTHING before leaving Castletown and I was actually quite stunned by three things plus one bonus that all came together in my head as I was doing so.
1. The darkner in the church can cure poison. My S. Poison I bought from Spamton like a maniac was turned into S.Potion and it heals 200HP and it says it's an energy drink with a car brand...
2. The True Tie. Combining the Tenna Tie and the frayed bow tie I also bought a crap tone of and kept one from Spamton combine into Spamton's actual original tie...?
3. "ALL YOUR FRIENDS, [[Abandoned you for the slime]] YOU ARE?" - Spamton
"I can never... forget the slime" -Tenna
... Tenna says he could never forget the slime... He could never forget Spamton. And he says it like he's mourning.
Bonus: (this will be relevant in a moment) The Addisons can't stop thinking about him. They copy him, yes, but he's on their mind, and they felt guilty in the trash zone. Business is business. Its all about bigger bigger better... And they keep coming back to him. They can't forget him either.
The only item left FROM him that hasn't been healed in some way is the broken sword (which I'm also hoarding)...
Can his friends restore him too...?
They haven't forgotten. They won't. They've TRIED and yet here his items are being turned not just into useful items, but HIS items. Restored.
His parallels to Kris, and Kris getting worse and worse with us puppeting them even in the pacifist run, I think friends will matter a lot to bring Kris from the brink.
I normally would think Spamton being restored would be poor story telling. Him not being accepted as he is in his broken state and all... But in THIS story, with the connections between him and Kris... I think it would work. I really think it could work. (and I'd probably cry like a baby too, but that's besides the point)
Everytime I've second guessed this hunch because it seems too happy-fun-times, I keep being reminded his items are being restored by other darkners. Restored to HIS brand, HIS clothes... Why can't they work together to restore him too...? All his friends care. They all remember him.
He thought he was alone, abandoned and forgotten.
He promised in the pacifist fight that he'd live for himself and his friends. I think that scope will grow. I don't know when or how, but those items... Those bits of dialog...
The lost being found, the isolated reintegrated, and memories being a source of healing, and after the encounters with the flowers, maybe even dreams....
I think there's foreshadowing being laid down here that the two Darkners that we found and who gave themselves up for us can be reunited with the darkners that miss them and whom they themselves miss.
and what that might mean for Dess?...
And don't get me started with the dearly beloved Dr WD with this concept (and forgotten man)
I'll leave it there. Have fun with this idea, because I can't shake the feeling restoration will be a big deal in the future one way or another.
(okay I was about to post this when I remembered ONE OTHER KINDA BIG THING. Love. Can't even say the word. His view of it is so twisted after his experience with being cut off so severely the man can't even say it, Level Of ViolencE OR love. But the flowers talk about it constantly. CONSTANTLY. They work together the entire time. They rely on it. Is that all just for the Susie Noelle stuff, or does it apply more broadly? Love isn't exclusive to romance. Care isn't just about people smoochin'. The flowers express the romantic, the friendly and the familial loves. Love can be healing, and Spamton wants [Hyperlink blocked] so he can be a big shot. Maybe that's exactly what he needs to get that, and the players fawning over him in the real world won't fix what's wrong. He may have given up on the other darkners, but they haven't given up on him in their hearts and minds. Clearly.
Guys... He's on my face. Come get yer boy.... And then give him back when you're done. His stats are amazing, I swear he can come home after our adventures. He has a 9 to 5 as my sick shades. I want him to have "aided in the world being saved" on his resume. Then he can retire to his preferred 9 to 5)
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i’d love to see more fantasy/sci-fi worlds where a species lifespan difference between a married couple, or between friends, is a normal factor of life. i’m tired of dramatic angsting about it, i want to see how people cope with it when it’s just an everyday part of the world
how does it affect ideas of marriage when you are not, in fact, expected to be able to live out both your lives together? do certain species have specific traditions for mourning their shorter-lived friends? are interspecies friendships and relationships more avoided or more valued because of this? do longer-lived species form bonds with whole families, part of their lives for generation after generation? how does it affect society’s ideas of age/maturity if some people will never reach certain ages? are comparisons between different species’ relative ages argued about? how would it affect a political landscape if people with vastly different lifespans lived in one place?
i want “help, i know this is normal for humans but my husband decided to spend ALL the rest of his short life with me and now i can’t cope with how much i love him”. i also want “fuck, i killed a guy and i have to pay a wergild for his life but it turns out he had a lifespan 50x a human’s and the court here says i have to pay 50x as much, please bail me out”
“extortionate rates? ma’am, i am merely a humble artist. if you don’t want the very finest job done preserving the visage of those who will be gone in a mere flutter of a butterfly’s wings—pardon the expression—then by all means seek a cheaper option”
“our local ruler is from a species that endures hundreds of years longer than us. my children’s children will not live to see the end of his tyranny. unless we put an end to it ourselves”
“oh, that’s my uncle! he’s been a friend of the family for twenty generations. my ancestor saved his life in battle, you know how it is, he’s supposed to stay until he saves one of our lives in return. but we’re mostly shopkeepers so now he’s just kind of here. gives great birthday presents”
“sweetheart please stop making me put off writing a will. we both know you have no life skills so you are going to be provided for when i die or so help me i WILL make you learn how to cook”
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