I need you to know that I love your last Bingge rape victim/rapist post SO much.
"But if it was a woman offering herself sexually to a man who had always abused her showing the slightest bit of kindness it would be recognized as the hypersexual and self destructive behavior that it is." &
"The fact he came on to shen yuan sexually after only a moment of kindness makes me think he views his ability to give pleasure as the only thing he can give someone."
I'm gonna be thinking about this for months. You explained it so good and I'd love to hear more on what you have to say on this topic (if you want!! No pressure)
thank you sm! ^_^ tbh I was actually nervous to post this because I didnât know how it would be receivedâŚI donât think I have heard anyone talk about bingge and his fundamentally fucked up relationship to sex and women before. Itâs a topic Iâve given a lot of thought to so Iâm happy to say more!
first I would like to say, even our bingmei knows heâs attractive.
Luo Binghe honestly wasn't a narcissist, he'd just always been very self-aware of how he looked to others. He didn't gleefully revel in his appearance, but he also wouldn't downplay it for the sake of false humility. (Book 1)
at the immortal alliance conference, girls gossip about him and compare his attractiveness against Gongxi Yaoâs. Even bingmei often has gaggles of girls interested in him. At this time, Luo Binghe is 15. The age of the girls isnt mentioned but we know binghe has been hearing people talk about his good looks since he was at least 15, and likely older.
Shen qingqiu describes the scene where Luo Bingge loses his virginity as thus:
The girl thought, âSince Iâm about to die, I must leave behind some memories to ensure that my life wonât have been in vain. I donât have many days left, after all, so I wonât suppress my feelings anymore.â
Then, using her weak and fragile body, she pushed Luo Binghe down.
Luo Binghe put up a brief show of resistance before telling himself âShe did all for my sake. I donât have the heart to reject her final wish.â He yielded, still half-reluctant, and went along with it⌠(Book 1)
he was coerced into sex by circumstance and itâs even said she pushed him down and he resisted. He âwent along with itâ and âyieldedâ. All very passive language to describe his behavior during sex. Her feelings for him are placed directly over his autonomy and consent. Now knowing the type of novel PIDW is, I would very sincerely doubt Binghe being a victim of constant violation and that being brushed aside was intentional and meant to make a point or appeal to readers into forced to penetrate rape. It is a side effect of the world he is in that he will constantly be a victim of sexual assault. Itâs also very notable that his first time having sex he is hesitant but is later described to be an insatiable sexual force initiating and demanding sex. To me this sounds like it is meant to say he progressed from a shyness around sex to a drive for it, which would be somewhat normal, if again, the time we see him hesitant around sex is directly rape. Meaning itâs more likely that he became sexually assertive after a long time of being unable to resist sexual situations.
now I wonât deny that obviously, Bingge is a rapist himself. He has forced himself onto countless women the way Qin Wanyue forced herself onto him. But I would also like to point out that Bingge resisting Qin Wanyueâs advances was painted as a half hearted struggle he eventually gave into. It would not be outlandish at all to say that perhaps he saw women resisting him as similar and thus ignored their consent because his was never respected and he considered it normal.
now onto my thoughts from the bingge vs Bingmei extra, I have many! But I would like to preface by bringing back up my original comparison of âif Bingge was a woman sexually offering herself to shen qingqiuâ. I thought perhaps people would point out how itâs different because Luo Bingge forced himself onto Shen Qingqiu, but perusing the text, thatâs not exactly true. He initiated and Shen Qingqiu (thinking it was bingmei) reciprocated. But it WAS very much coming onto him. It just wasnât in a sexually submissive way, which is why itâs not recognized as behavior that could indicate a very unhealthy relationship to sex. Rather itâs seen as sexual agression.
Shen Qingqiu's appearance was stellar: his shoulders were neither too broad nor too bulky, while his waist was thin and his legs long.
Enveloped in Qing Jing Peak's many-layered teal uniform, he was immaculate and slender, with a great deal of graceful beauty.
Yes... It was his graceful beauty.
Shen Qingqiu pushed the door shut behind him. He had yet to get within five steps of Luo Binghe when he was yanked forward, and he fell into Luo Binghe's embrace as those arms tightened around his waist. Luo Binghe's fingers trailed down his side, occasionally squeezing and kneading.
Hand. Hand. Thank youâhand! Your hand!
When Shen Qingqiu went to grab Luo Binghe's paw in a backhanded grip, he twisted. Somehow Shen Qingqiu found himself pressed down on top of Luo Binghe's thigh with his legs apart, trapped in place. In the next moment, Luo Binghe caressed his nape before pulling him down, and his lips were captured again. (Book 4)
Iâd also like to mention the first part here, where Shen Qingqiuâs beauty is described. I would dare to say that the description is similar to how one of Bingges wives would be spoken about. Itâs like heâs justifying his sexual advance-itâs because of his graceful beauty, his figure, how he resembles a conquest that I am sexually initiating. Totally not because he showed me kindness for the first time in a way no wife ever could.
when shen qingqiu does begin to resist and struggle, he sees it as par for the course, because he doesnât know to see resistance as anything other than a coy game.
With a cold laugh, he encircled Shen Qingqiu's right wrist with one hand while continuing to press down on his nape with the other. Then he skillfully flipped them over, rolling them onto the bed together.
Looking down at Shen Qingqiu from overhead, he smiled brightly. "What's wrong, Shizun? Don't you love me very much? So why aren't you willing to give in to me?" (Book 4)
he doesnt consider consent, only âgiving inâ. If someone isnât willing, he must persist until they are. This is absolutely inexcusably rapist behavior. But itâs UNDOUBTABLY learned from how HE once was treated. And his idea of love is so shallow he thinks love = giving in to sex. If shen qingqiu loves him, why wonât he give in?
To him, love = sex. That canât really be argued. So when Shen Qingqiu shows him affection, he naturally thinks sex will follow. Considering he is wasnât very touchy or affectionate before coming onto him at all, I think that he initiates sex less out of sexual attraction and more out of an expectation someone cares for him only because they wish to bed him. Being sexually aggressive and dominant doesnât make it not unhealthy, hypersexual behavior.
and as for the giving pleasure thing-he mentions several times Shen Qingqiu should chose him because he can bring him more pleasure. He genuinely cannot fathom the idea of choosing someone for an emotional connection and love over someone who can make you sexually pleased
Suddenly, he said, "With technique that bad, what's so good about him anyway?"
When this line came out of nowhere, Shen Qingqiu's hand trembled a little. But he forced it down and continued attacking. Unfortunately, Bing-ge refused to restrain himself.
"Shizun, you've already experienced my prowess. Since we're the same person, why not come with me? I'll definitely give you more pleasure than he could." (Book 4)
he doesnât see himself as different than bingmei because they share a body. I would wager a guess to say that he thinks shen qingqiu wonât see a difference between bingmei and him because itâs the same body, and his body is whats desirable about him. Why not take the same body but with more sex skills?
The original's expression suddenly gentled as he looked at Shen Lingqiu. "Shizun, do you blame me for making things too painful last time?"
Luo Binghe went wide-eyed. "Shizun, you've met him before?" If an encounter in the System counted as a meeting, then that was a yes. Not wanting to give a half-hearted answer, Shen Qingqiu said, "It was only a chance meeting.â (Book 4)
âwhy are you resisting? Was it because the sex wasnât good?â
bingge is being sly and trying to rile up bingmei here but I find it interesting he poses the reason for himself being refused is because he couldnât bring him pleasure and not because Shen Qingqiu didnât want him or consent.
And so unfair.
The image of the two of them standing together was so glaring that his eyes began to hurt, the rims prickling with heat.
Even though they were both Luo Binghe... For what reason had that one been able to meet this sort of Shen Qingqiu, while he had only met a rotten bastard-vindictive, petty, and jealous to the core?
For what reason?!
The carefully preserved clothes and belongings, the pristine and tidy side room, the gentle whispers, the boundless doting and indulgence. He'd only wanted to humiliate them, because that disgusting relationship of theirs elicited nothing but his contempt, and yetâ
And yet the, "Come with me," that left his mouth in that instant was involuntary, and it was addressed to Shen Qingqiu. (Book 4)
describing their relationship as âdisgustingâ strikes me particularly. Itâs kind of a stretch but I would maybe dare say he assumed there was some past sexual abuse involved in Bingmei and Shen Qingqiuâs relationship, given what he knows of the man and their power gap?
Since hed come of age, no one had ever managed to push him this far. Being at such a disadvantage reminded him of the days when hed been persecuted and humiliated, trampled over in all kinds of ways. (Book 4)
Also a stretch, but âall kinds of waysâ could easily include sexual abuse as well. Itâs possible Binghe was sexually abused by someone if not Shen Jiu.
Bing-ge humphed. "Who made you so useless?" he asked dis-dainfully. "To think you have not a single woman."
His standard for "uselessness" was practically a drunkard's. But Luo Binghe's focus wasn't on this at all. In his fury, scarlet blood seemed about to drip from his eyes, and he said sharply, "You dare to humiliate Shizun like this..." (Book 4)
his standard for âuselessnessâ is not acquiring tons of women. Bingmei is inferior and weak because he lacks a harem. If that doesnât speak to how he views sexual prowess as worth idk what could. Itâs VERY in your face
"Just playing around, the other Luo Binghe said mildly.
Shen Qingqiu was stunned silent. Playing around with who? Playing around with me? Bing-ge, you. you'd accept all comers?! Welcoming both men and women! Is this something like "both meat and fish are fineâ I'm not picky, I'll eat whatever I'm given"? (Book 4)
Shen Qingqiu is surprised Bingge is bisexual which is kinda funny lol. But his casual attitude to initiating sex-âjust playing aroundâ-and how binghe will âaccept all comersâ speaks to a pretty unhealthy relationship with sex, no? (Not the bisexual part obviously)
In the past, Shen Qingqiu had given Luo Binghe quite a few miscellaneous errands. Thus, one could often have found him on Xian Shu Peak. From time to time he'd gone there to deliver a letter, distribute a notice, invite someone over, or borrow something.
When male disciples from other peaks came, they would at least sneak a couple of peeps, peering around and around until they ended up looking inside the maidens' quarters or bathhouse. Naturally, they'd be r- [beep-] -ed to death by the maidens' swords long before they made it to the bathhouse. Only Luo Binghe had treated the peak's disciples with respect and consciously maintained a strict distance every time he came; his reputation at Xian Shu Peak was correspondingly high. Therefore, everyone on Xian Shu Peak had given him tacit permission to enter the inner halls to wait. (Book 4)
not even to mention the group of girls who begin fawning over him Immediately after this scene, you can see that in their youth, both binghes were incredibly courteous to Xian Shu and female disciples in general. Bingges sexual agression is a learned behavior, not inherent to him.
This is just my off the top of my head thoughts, with a proper reread I could add even more. But Iâm so glad for the opportunity to yap! Thank you soooo much again for appreciating my words on this. Despite me rarely posting about him I do adore bingge