Libertarians Unite

in a nutshell, instead of reforming the bad parts of your society, you try to opt out of it in a way that has really no effect, and wouldn’t work at all if the majority of people weren’t still part of the industry you dislike.

there was, for a while, a real movement of people who tried to get everything out of dumpsters, as a way of opting out of capitalism. but the problem was that you couldn’t get what you need when you need it, leading to you being kind of a drain on your community, and someone had to buy that stuff in the first place for it to end up in that dumpster anyway. it was Fundamentally Silly.

going vegan to opt out of farming practices has similar problems. for instance: you (hypothetical vegan you) won’t buy honey, but the bees are being used to fertilize the vegetables and fruit you eat, they’re making the honey anyway, all you’ve done is – well, nothing, because you’re not a big enough demographic to make an impact, but even if you were, honey sales are a much smaller part of beekeepers’ income than crop pollination. and beekeeping is not a big faceless corporate interest. it’s not monsanto. it’s a bunch of single-family or partnership business with a truck or two and a couple hundred hives. the bees make honey after a pollinating run, and the beekeepers sell it for a little extra income. if you made a dent in that, you’d be achieving nothing but making joe beekeeper buy his kids’ t-shirts at k-mart instead of target.

animal farming and plant farming are deeply interconnected. plant farmers grow animal feed; animal farmers sell manure for fertilizer. most non-corporate farmers raise both plants and animals. it’s more economic and gives them more resilience.

if you were a big enough demographic to hit ‘the farming industry’ in its wallet. you would be making things MUCH harder for small farmers than for factory farms. you would be making it easier and easier for factory farms to crowd family farmers out of business. so that’s pretty much achieving the opposite of what you want, right there.

and then there’s the fact that plant farming is just as rife with gruesome factory farm conditions as animal farming, but it’s humans who are exploited in those. i’m not going to level accusations of racism here, but it really is unfortunate how little the vocal internet vegan contingent seems to know or care about the exploitation of the mostly nonwhite workers in the industry. it makes y’all look racist, whether you are or not.

look, i keep saying this, even though folks never seem to hear me: i don’t hate vegans, i’m not trying to stop you being vegan, i do not care what you eat.

Wanna know if you’re a hypocrite? Answer these questions!!

Note: do not pretend you do not know what I mean. If you’re not going to answer the questions and you’re gonna pretend the question is vague, do not answer this post at all. You know what the questions mean. And if you don’t send me an ask before responding. You’re just trying to avoid giving me straight answers.

Test 1:

1. How do you feel about the phrase “Facts Over Feelings?”

2. Are you religious and/or do you defend religion and claim it should never be criticized? (This question is NOT about the “right” to religion so do not bring it up as it is not relevant to the question)

Test 2:

1. Do you believe in big government?

2. Do you support the police/military?

Test 3:

1. How do you feel about taxes?

2. How do you feel about roads, fire services, and police services?

Test 4:

1. Do you support a living wage for every job no matter what it is? (Look up the literal definition of the word)

2. Do you support food stamps or UBI?

Test 5:

1. Do you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ?

2. Do you support Medicare for all?

Test 1, 2: I’m not religious. No, I don’t defend religious doctrines or say religion should never be questioned. I generally lean towards always question.

Test 2, 1: No, I believe in a limited government that maximizes freedom.

Test 2, 2: I do support the police and military, but I do not support abuses of power, police brutality, or imperialism. I know you’ll call me a hypocrite for that, but I don’t think these principals are mutually exclusive.

Test 3, 1: I think taxes are necessary to support basic services and even limited government would require some taxes, though far less than a big government would.

Test 3, 2: I think these are good services that a local and state government should provide.

Test 4, 1: No, I think a wage should be an agreement between an employer and an employee…they can decide what is best and reasonable.

Test 4, 2: I don’t support these services, they are a misuse of taxpayer funding as redistribution.

Test 5, 1: I think Jesus had a lot of good ideas about accepting, loving, and helping each other.

Test 2: Allow me to clarify on what is meant by big government. It means a government that is allowed to regulate businesses, the law, and taxes. So for now I cant give u a proper grade until you respond with this new knowledge. And if i consider your response to test 3, you’re probably not hypocritical.

Test 3: No hypocrisy here. I think you can tell why.

Test 4: You are a hypocrite, as you’re okay with people starving to death. You do not wish to benefit the society that benefits you.

Test 5: Literally every single one of you hypocrites that failed this test say “Jesus never said government should do it” that may be true, but he said it should be done, so if you believe in healing the sick regardless of their wealth status, which is something Jesus promoted, you would be in favor of getting that done the only way humans can. With universal, single payer healthcare.

I’m inclined to say that since you do not support government aid for the people yet you support everything else, you’re in favor of fascism and shitty treatment of American Citizens as well.

So 2/5 with a possibility of 3/5

The definition of “big government” is “A government perceived as excessively interventionist and intruding into all aspects of the lives of its citizens.”

You’re clarification of big government describes any government. A primary purpose of any government is to establish rules for society aka laws and enforce those laws so that society runs smoothly. Business regulations are simply laws that businesses need to follow. Taxes are necessary because revenue is needed to fund any size of government. More choices exist in the world between Big Government and Total Anarchy. Just saying.

Test 4: I never said I was okay with people starving to death. I just don’t believe that the government is the best arbiter for deciding who gets help and how much help people get. I’m all for charity organizations and I’ve spent both time and money helping the less fortunate outside of government taxation. Are you saying that you would only help the poor if the government forces you to do so? If so, that says more about you than it does about me.

Test 5: So Jesus never said people needed to establish a big government to take from people who have resources and give to the poor. You’ve conceded this point. So people who disagree with you here for that reason aren’t hypocrites, they’re just people who disagree with you. Jesus said that people should love others, help others in need, etc...but of their own volition, not because a big government forces them to. Your claim that humans can only do this through big government and thus anyone who disagrees wants to hold people back is a false dichotomy.

My opinions and views are based on individuality and the idea that I would like to see limited government and maximum freedoms for individuals in society. I made this clear in my responses so you would fully understand my viewpoints, Now you’re trying claim that I’m in favor of fascism and the general shitty treating American Citizens. Fascism, keep in mind, is authoritarian, racist (thus collectivist), and nationalistic with a general intolerance of individualism by definition. Pretty much the exact opposite of all of my views and values.

Wanna know if you’re a hypocrite? Answer these questions!!

Note: do not pretend you do not know what I mean. If you’re not going to answer the questions and you’re gonna pretend the question is vague, do not answer this post at all. You know what the questions mean. And if you don’t send me an ask before responding. You’re just trying to avoid giving me straight answers.

Test 1:

1. How do you feel about the phrase “Facts Over Feelings?”

2. Are you religious and/or do you defend religion and claim it should never be criticized? (This question is NOT about the “right” to religion so do not bring it up as it is not relevant to the question)

Test 2:

1. Do you believe in big government?

2. Do you support the police/military?

Test 3:

1. How do you feel about taxes?

2. How do you feel about roads, fire services, and police services?

Test 4:

1. Do you support a living wage for every job no matter what it is? (Look up the literal definition of the word)

2. Do you support food stamps or UBI?

Test 5:

1. Do you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ?

2. Do you support Medicare for all?

Test 1, 2: I’m not religious. No, I don’t defend religious doctrines or say religion should never be questioned. I generally lean towards always question.

Test 2, 1: No, I believe in a limited government that maximizes freedom.

Test 2, 2: I do support the police and military, but I do not support abuses of power, police brutality, or imperialism. I know you’ll call me a hypocrite for that, but I don’t think these principals are mutually exclusive.

Test 3, 1: I think taxes are necessary to support basic services and even limited government would require some taxes, though far less than a big government would.

Test 3, 2: I think these are good services that a local and state government should provide.

Test 4, 1: No, I think a wage should be an agreement between an employer and an employee...they can decide what is best and reasonable.

Test 4, 2: I don’t support these services, they are a misuse of taxpayer funding as redistribution.

Test 5, 1: I think Jesus had a lot of good ideas about accepting, loving, and helping each other.

     “Cats are cold, detached & unloving.”

     “Cats are not loyal.”

     “A cat will not greet you at the door.”

     “You can not train a cat”

     “Cats aren’t that smart.”

     “Cats aren’t that good with children.”

     “Cats don’t miss you when you’re gone.”

     “Cats don’t comfort you when you’re feeling down.”